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10-22-2003, 07:52 PM
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Huge hit on Jackman

Wow...did you all see that big hit on Jackman by Bertuzzi??? I must say I have tons of respect for Barrett that he actually got up from the hit...

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Wow...did you all see that big hit on Jackman by Bertuzzi??? I must say I have tons of respect for Barrett that he actually got up from the hit...
Bertuzzi Smoked him with a clean hit, jackman is "Old School" though unless he was seriously hurt he was going to get up. That kid is also a warrior.

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Yes, I did. Just glad it was a clean hit. Unfortunately, Jackman looked to have been hurt by it; I'm thinking shoulder personally and the Blues don't need any more injuries to defensemen. Why is it that the Blues get hit hardest by positions of late? Last year it was goalies; this year it's defensemen. As many pucks and hits as Jackman has taken to start the season, I was thinking it was only a matter of time for him honestly.

And I'm a bit PO'd at the refs for the end of the game. It's not that the calls were bad per say, but they had Pronger, Baron, and Finley in the box with Jackman already hurt. The Blues only had two defensemen to even play that PK, Backman and Brimanis. That's a tough spot to put a team in at that stage of the game; I guess I'm used to refs using a little more restraint in what they call at the end of a closely contested game. The only one I really didn't think was a good call was the Drake goaltender interference. That one was pretty tough to swallow.

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Jackman will be back , he knows who did it . If he's injured , that's bad news for the Blues though . Hopefully he's doing fine . I seen Pronger go after Bertuzzi after that , he barely touched Bert and he dropped like a little ***** .


Pronger said Bertuzzi dropped like he was 120 pounds
the ******* drew a penalty so it was a good play. Has anyone with TSN heard anything about Jackman, because I dont think they show NHL tonight consistantly on ESPN and Sportscenter is useless.

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the ******* drew a penalty so it was a good play. Has anyone with TSN heard anything about Jackman, because I dont think they show NHL tonight consistantly on ESPN and Sportscenter is useless.
quenville said it was a shoulder injury and it's serious enough that jackman will go back to st.louis to be evaluated. at the very least he won't play vs the flames.

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Jackman will be back , he knows who did it . If he's injured , that's bad news for the Blues though . Hopefully he's doing fine . I seen Pronger go after Bertuzzi after that , he barely touched Bert and he dropped like a little ***** .


Pronger said Bertuzzi dropped like he was 120 pounds
Didn't see the altercation between Pronger and Burtuzzi myself, but I understood that both players went down. So, if what you say is true, then how is it Pronger ended up on the ice? I think Pronger did the right thing by going after Burtuzzi even though the hit was clean... you have to protect your guys. Jovo did a similiar thing and got a what? some weird collection of penalties and the game. Pronger made a decision, and he should live with what get's called... all the *****ing just earned him another 2 minutes... that was just dumb.

Now, it's one thing for Chris Pronger to complain about Burtuzzi falling a too easily, but it's quite another when some "fan" decides he's all tough and calls Burtuzzi a *****. Keep lame comments like that to yourself.

To Blues Fans: I hope that Jackman's back skating for the team, and there was no serious injury. Thought the Blues, way depleted by injuries had the game in the bag. Looking forward to the next game.

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quenville said it was a shoulder injury and it's serious enough that jackman will go back to st.louis to be evaluated. at the very least he won't play vs the flames.
thanks for the info man. I am going to go and watch TV now that is depressing news.

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Didn't see the altercation between Pronger and Burtuzzi myself, but I understood that both players went down. So, if what you say is true, then how is it Pronger ended up on the ice? I think Pronger did the right thing by going after Burtuzzi even though the hit was clean... you have to protect your guys. Jovo did a similiar thing and got a what? some weird collection of penalties and the game. Pronger made a decision, and he should live with what get's called... all the *****ing just earned him another 2 minutes... that was just dumb.

Now, it's one thing for Chris Pronger to complain about Burtuzzi falling a too easily, but it's quite another when some "fan" decides he's all tough and calls Burtuzzi a *****. Keep lame comments like that to yourself.

What's lame is that you actually think that Bertuzzi is too special to be called a *****. Guess what. Bertuzzi is a *****. And, if you don't like it I can think of a few special words for you too.

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Didn't see the altercation between Pronger and Burtuzzi myself, but I understood that both players went down. So, if what you say is true, then how is it Pronger ended up on the ice? I think Pronger did the right thing by going after Burtuzzi even though the hit was clean... you have to protect your guys. Jovo did a similiar thing and got a what? some weird collection of penalties and the game. Pronger made a decision, and he should live with what get's called... all the *****ing just earned him another 2 minutes... that was just dumb.

Now, it's one thing for Chris Pronger to complain about Burtuzzi falling a too easily, but it's quite another when some "fan" decides he's all tough and calls Burtuzzi a *****. Keep lame comments like that to yourself.

To Blues Fans: I hope that Jackman's back skating for the team, and there was no serious injury. Thought the Blues, way depleted by injuries had the game in the bag. Looking forward to the next game.
I take it your a Nucks fan...

Bertuzzi Dove, that is all there is to it. He did his job, the hit was clean and he was able to get Pronger to take a penalty.

I have a huge problems with the refs lately. It has to do w/ Diving. Stars like Forsburg and Burtuzzi fall down like a sack of Shiete w/ a light touch. At best the other player gets an obstruction call or hooking call, at worst both players get a call.

What I would like to see is the *** player who dives, get the sole call. Why does it always have to be a matching penalty, if you dive you dive and deserve the call. The guy who gave you a nudge shouldn't have a call against him. This is really becoming like soccer.

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10-23-2003, 05:31 AM
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What bothers me is that no one on the Blues settled the score with Bertuzzi for his hit on MacInnis last year. Clean hit or not, you can't let guys run your best players.

Someone (Low?) should have challenged Bertuzzi right at the beginning of this game.

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Guess you didn't see last year's playoffs...

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I take it your a Nucks fan...

Bertuzzi Dove, that is all there is to it. He did his job, the hit was clean and he was able to get Pronger to take a penalty.

I have a huge problems with the refs lately. It has to do w/ Diving. Stars like Forsburg and Burtuzzi fall down like a sack of Shiete w/ a light touch. At best the other player gets an obstruction call or hooking call, at worst both players get a call.

What I would like to see is the *** player who dives, get the sole call. Why does it always have to be a matching penalty, if you dive you dive and deserve the call. The guy who gave you a nudge shouldn't have a call against him. This is really becoming like soccer.
yeah, and the Blues are a straight up honest team. Nash, Drake, Podein and company were performing swan dives in the playoffs last year against the Canucks. Their PP was kicking in the playoffs, it was the only way they were going to score, so they just kept on diving.

Worry about your own team's Integrity. Taking a cheap shot Cross-check on Kariya after a goal is scored.

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What's lame is that you actually think that Bertuzzi is too special to be called a *****. Guess what. Bertuzzi is a *****. And, if you don't like it I can think of a few special words for you too.
Your just being a baby because you guys lost, you lost in the playoffs and you lost last night, go get a rag and cry instead of insulting one of the best players in the league.

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Worry about your own team's Integrity. Taking a cheap shot Cross-check on Kariya after a goal is scored.
And Pronger got what he deserved, a minor penalty. I have no problem w/ that call, it was a late, cheap shot and he earned the 2 minutes.

As for Divers, I don't think you can toss Drake in there. But that being said, I hate diving in general. I didn't like Nash doing it (it got so bad, noone would make any call, even one where he was ligit. taken down), I don't like any of the current roster doing it. I think it is cheap Sheite and needs to be stopped.

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I take it your a Nucks fan...

Bertuzzi Dove, that is all there is to it. He did his job, the hit was clean and he was able to get Pronger to take a penalty.

I have a huge problems with the refs lately. It has to do w/ Diving. Stars like Forsburg and Burtuzzi fall down like a sack of Shiete w/ a light touch. At best the other player gets an obstruction call or hooking call, at worst both players get a call.

What I would like to see is the *** player who dives, get the sole call. Why does it always have to be a matching penalty, if you dive you dive and deserve the call. The guy who gave you a nudge shouldn't have a call against him. This is really becoming like soccer.
Whether he dove there or not, i dont know. i do know that i rarely see bertuzzi dive. Forsberg? thats a different story....

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10-23-2003, 07:45 AM
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What's lame is that you actually think that Bertuzzi is too special to be called a *****. Guess what. Bertuzzi is a *****. And, if you don't like it I can think of a few special words for you too.
At least Bertuzzi hits guys his own size and doesn't try to injure Paul Kariya with a vicious crosscheck to the lower back AFTER a goal was scored, for the simple reason he is mad and bitter and wants to injure a guy for scoring. If Bertuzzi is a *****, Pronger is too.

 
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At least Bertuzzi hits guys his own size and doesn't try to injure Paul Kariya with a vicious crosscheck to the lower back AFTER a goal was scored, for the simple reason he is mad and bitter and wants to injure a guy for scoring. If Bertuzzi is a *****, Pronger is too.
I agree with everything you said, Pronger and Bertuzzi are both *****es.

But Jackman and Macinnis are no where near Bertuzzi's size.

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At least Bertuzzi hits guys his own size and doesn't try to injure Paul Kariya with a vicious crosscheck to the lower back AFTER a goal was scored, for the simple reason he is mad and bitter and wants to injure a guy for scoring. If Bertuzzi is a *****, Pronger is too.
That's funny... cause what I saw last night was Pronger going after Bertuzzi but "best power forward in the league" wanted nothing to do with it.

Bertuzzi = *****. End of story. Fans of 29 teams agree with me... not just fans of the team that lost last night.

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That's funny... cause what I saw last night was Pronger going after Bertuzzi but "best power forward in the league" wanted nothing to do with it.
Bertuzzi was just being smart(shocking...) and suckered Pronger into taking a stupid penalty. Pronger took himself out of the game quite nicely...Bertuzzi isn't around to pick fights in the dying minutes of a 2-2 game, he's out there to win, Pronger just helped the cause...

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Bertuzzi = *****. End of story. Fans of 29 teams agree with me... not just fans of the team that lost last night.
That's a sign that he's doing his job.

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What I would like to see is the *** player who dives, get the sole call. Why does it always have to be a matching penalty, if you dive you dive and deserve the call. The guy who gave you a nudge shouldn't have a call against him. This is really becoming like soccer.
Just because a player goes down easy does not necessarily mean he was not hooked, held, etc.

The problem isn't word-for-word "diving"...it is embellishment.

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What bothers me is that no one on the Blues settled the score with Bertuzzi for his hit on MacInnis last year. Clean hit or not, you can't let guys run your best players.

Someone (Low?) should have challenged Bertuzzi right at the beginning of this game.
Oh come on. What happened last year happened last year. That, and there was no score to settle. It was a clean hit.

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That's funny... cause what I saw last night was Pronger going after Bertuzzi but "best power forward in the league" wanted nothing to do with it.

Bertuzzi = *****. End of story. Fans of 29 teams agree with me... not just fans of the team that lost last night.
Why the hell would Bertuzzi want to square up with Pronger late in a tie game? His responsibility is to help his team win...not get involved in crap that will have him sitting in the box.

Bertuzzi = the guy who caused your captain to lose the game for your team.

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That's funny... cause what I saw last night was Pronger going after Bertuzzi but "best power forward in the league" wanted nothing to do with it.

Bertuzzi = *****. End of story. Fans of 29 teams agree with me... not just fans of the team that lost last night.
All your posts wreak of bitter defeat buddy. Sorry if our best player had the brains not to get taken off the ice late in the game due to the whining of some overblown blond baby with a history of temper tantrums.

The best powerforward in the league doesn't have to take stupid penalties and handicap his team. Are you dense? Why would he want to go with Pronger when Pronger was in the process of digging his own grave and costing his team the game? I think Pronger was doing alright kicking his own ass out of the rink.

 
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All your posts wreak of bitter defeat buddy. Sorry if our best player had the brains not to get taken off the ice late in the game due to the whining of some overblown blond baby with a history of temper tantrums.

The best powerforward in the league doesn't have to take stupid penalties and handicap his team. Are you dense? Why would he want to go with Pronger when Pronger was in the process of digging his own grave and costing his team the game? I think Pronger was doing alright kicking his own ass out of the rink.
Well you can't blame degroat for being cranky, after all Jackman *is* his Golden Boy. It must have been very upsetting to him to see Jackman get steamrolled by his favourite player Bertuzzi.

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Im definatley cranky. Those were the weakest calls last night. I could see pronger getting 2 max. Oh well, i guess the refs will hand us a game to make up for it one of these nights.

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Im definatley cranky. Those were the weakest calls last night. I could see pronger getting 2 max. Oh well, i guess the refs will hand us a game to make up for it one of these nights.
Well, 2 minutes is all he got for going after Bertuzzi. On top of that he got another 2 and the misconduct for flipping out in the penalty box and cussing out the referees.

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Sorry if our best player had the brains not to get taken off the ice late in the game due to the whining of some overblown blond baby with a history of temper tantrums.

The best powerforward in the league doesn't have to take stupid penalties and handicap his team.
This was the best of the bunch. Bertuzzi has brains now eh? Must have been a recent transplant because he hasn't shown any up to this point. And yes, Bertuzzi takes plenty of stupid penalties and handicaps his team. If you need a list of them, I can surely help you out with that. Not to mention that Bertuzzi complains after every call as much any other player does.

The hit was clean and that's all I'm concerned with. Pronger went after Bertuzzi, but all bets are off on a clean hit. Bertuzzi isn't morally obligated to fight anybody after a clean hit. Bertuzzi and Pronger are actually very similar kinds of players.

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Bertuzzi = the guy who caused your captain to lose the game for your team.
Huh? Pronger didn't lose the game. The dual calls on Finley and Baron that gave the Canucks the last minute plus of 5-on-3 lost the game for the Blues.

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i do know that i rarely see bertuzzi dive.
You should watch him more often because Bertuzzi certainly does dive more than his fair share. And no, I'm not going to claim the Blues don't do it, but to say Bertuzzi rarely does it smacks of denial personally. Last year's playoff series was filled with dives by players from both teams and it was the worst playoff series I've seen in that regard. Both teams were reprehensible.

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That's funny... cause what I saw last night was Pronger going after Bertuzzi but "best power forward in the league" wanted nothing to do with it.

Bertuzzi = *****. End of story. Fans of 29 teams agree with me... not just fans of the team that lost last night.
actually its called hockey and becuase bertuzzi is bigger then jackman does in no way mean he shouldnt hit him, also im an oiler fan and i dont agree iwth you so thats 28 teams....incidentally the best power forward in the league is either bertuzzi leclair if hes ever healthy or thornton

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