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11-03-2003, 05:45 PM
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weren't there people swearing up and down last season that rico fata was a borderline player and did nothing to warrant more icetime? :moon:

Anyways my biggest anguish has always been Amonte....

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11-04-2003, 03:57 AM
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weren't there people swearing up and down last season that rico fata was a borderline player and did nothing to warrant more icetime? :moon:

Anyways my biggest anguish has always been Amonte....
I was too young to notice the effect of the Middleton trade, so I cannot comment much on that one. My first headscratching trade was the Mike Ridley/Kelly Miller for Bobby Carpenter. I think that is the same year that the Rangers, in their infinite wisdom, choose to trade Dave Gagner and Mark Tinordi. Banner year.

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I admit to not being real high on Fata...

but from what I had seen (which was limited obviously) he never looked very good. Great wheels and overskating a lot. I haven't seen one minute of his play this season, but I assume he's settled down a bit. But I think we need to see what the season brings from Rico. Daniel Goneau once scored 10 goals in 41 games, most I believe were in the first 25-30 as he was put on a fourth line quickly by Campbell as the team was not winning with Goneau scoring. I still think Kovalev's a pretty decent player who makes his linemates better.

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11-04-2003, 01:08 PM
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how can anybody complain about the weight and amonte deals? maybe the two best trades in rangers history. they won the cup because noonen tikkanen mattueu mactavish. how can anybody complain about these trades?

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how can anybody complain about the weight and amonte deals? maybe the two best trades in rangers history. they won the cup because noonen tikkanen mattueu mactavish. how can anybody complain about these trades?
MacTavish was not a part of a trade for Amonte or Weight.

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11-05-2003, 04:59 AM
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how can anybody complain about the weight and amonte deals? maybe the two best trades in rangers history. they won the cup because noonen tikkanen mattueu mactavish. how can anybody complain about these trades?
An argument can be made that we were the best team in hockey at the time of the trades and probably could have accomplished the same exact things if we had Amnte, Weight and Machant.

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An argument can be made that we were the best team in hockey at the time of the trades and probably could have accomplished the same exact things if we had Amnte, Weight and Machant.

And Mike Gartner !

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11-05-2003, 10:23 AM
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An argument can be made that we were the best team in hockey at the time of the trades and probably could have accomplished the same exact things if we had Amnte, Weight and Machant.
Weight was traded for Tikkanen in the spring of 1993, he was not involved in any way in the Stanley Cup year. And "the kiss" in the Washington series that Tikkanen gave was priceless!

The Gartner for Andersson trade was overkill especially since Gartner always played well (and scored) against the Devils.

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11-05-2003, 11:56 AM
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We can debate this to death...

but in the end, who knows. You look at the Tik trade...it was at a time Weight , Amonte (and I believe Olczyk) were clicking and the team as a whole started playing well. Enter in Tik (and I think a Leetch injury) and the team sputters down the stretch.

You look at Gartner, great against the Devils, but will he show up in the playoffs? You look at Amonte, struggles throughout the year, and goes to Chicago and scores [I believe] four goals in one game in the playoffs.

You look at the Marchant trade and wonder if Keenan played Nemchinov in the Mactavish role, would MacT be necessary?

So many ways to spin this one (although I can say the Larmer trade was most likely necessary). Who really knows at this point.

If you want to talk backbreaker trades...go back to the Norstrom deal...dealing away a defenseman starting to come into his own, an in-your-face 22 year old, physical, yapping centerman and Ray Ferraro, who had 13 goals in 18 playoff games 3 years prior, his last 'meaningful' playoff series all traded for...Kurri...an over-the-hill forward who scored less goals in more games during his last playoffs series, the same year as Ferraro, I believe (and he was traded for playoff goal experience, correct?), Churla, a punching bag with no skills [Kocur was on the team as an enforcer, but was traded for Kay Whitmore, in a senseless trade at a time when Richter was hurt occasionally] and McStupid (who was injured), need I say more. Really, a trade that at the time you scratch your head and wonder, let alone look back.

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11-05-2003, 12:42 PM
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Everyone vote Zidlicky as a write in canidate for the All-Star game!

(BTW- I voted Dunham in, he's doing an amazing job. Keep it up Mike!)

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An argument can be made that we were the best team in hockey at the time of the trades and probably could have accomplished the same exact things if we had Amnte, Weight and Machant.
Great you can keep arguing that while real rangers fans are happy with a cup

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11-05-2003, 01:53 PM
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An argument can be made that we were the best team in hockey at the time of the trades and probably could have accomplished the same exact things if we had Amnte, Weight and Machant.
Now this is starting to get ridiculous. You know that I abhor these youth for vets deals as much as the rest of you, but you can NEVER, EVER assume a Cup. If we do not make all of these deals, there is no way we can say that they would have won anyway. There were some damn good Ranger teams prior to 1994, and they didn't win the Cup.

Do Dallas fans pine over the Iginla for Nieuwendyk trade? No, because anytime you acquire a player that was instrumental in a Cup victory, the cost is worth it. Guys like Noonan, Matteau, Tikkanen, etc. were instrumental in 1994.

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11-06-2003, 03:47 AM
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Great you can keep arguing that while real rangers fans are happy with a cup
So I'm not a real Ranger fan becuase I am capable of debating an issue? Guess that whomever in history is making fun of Custer at Little Bighorn is not a true American.

"but you can NEVER, EVER assume a Cup. If we do not make all of these deals, there is no way we can say that they would have won anyway. "

Yeah, I can. In matters of a debate, I could argue anything that is capabale of making sense. I'm real happy with the Cup and I will never forget the good play of those players whom the trades brought over. However, since when am I not allowed to wonder "what if..." and question some of the things that I questioned at the time and wonder "what if the same thing could have been accomplished with the people we had at the time"?

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11-06-2003, 01:44 PM
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So I'm not a real Ranger fan becuase I am capable of debating an issue? Guess that whomever in history is making fun of Custer at Little Bighorn is not a true American.

"but you can NEVER, EVER assume a Cup. If we do not make all of these deals, there is no way we can say that they would have won anyway. "

Yeah, I can. In matters of a debate, I could argue anything that is capabale of making sense. I'm real happy with the Cup and I will never forget the good play of those players whom the trades brought over. However, since when am I not allowed to wonder "what if..." and question some of the things that I questioned at the time and wonder "what if the same thing could have been accomplished with the people we had at the time"?
Great keep debating with yourself. i dont think anybody want to debate with that logic. when it comes to 1994 i will take the known vs the unknown.

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I guess you can never please everyone.

Winning 3-2 in the 7th game... yea we woulda won anyway so why trade for the vets.

Who scored the goal in game 7 of the Devs series? A guy named Matteau... oh well we didnt need him we woulda won anyways.

The ultimate goal is the Stanley Cup... if you have to give up some youth for it then you do it any day of the week. You want the cup... not the ability to say we have the youngest team in the league. Now our situations is obviously different then it was then but to criticize the 94 deals is ignorance. Amonte was my fav player back then but if thats what it cost to win the cup then so be it.

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11-07-2003, 05:01 AM
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As heard last night, Zidlicky leading ALL defensemen in points. Just figured to bring the good news to all.

"i dont think anybody want to debate with that logic"

When you've been around here for a while, you will notice that EVERYTHING has been debated. Just becuase you do not grace us with participation, does not mean that it does not occur.

"Now our situations is obviously different then it was then but to criticize the 94 deals is ignorance"

Ignorance? How can it be ignorant to ask questions? Do you know what ignorance means? By ignorance, you imply that I am talking about a situation that I know nothing about. How are my questions an example of ignorance, but your support isn't?

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11-08-2003, 02:05 PM
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As heard last night, Zidlicky leading ALL defensemen in points. Just figured to bring the good news to all.

"i dont think anybody want to debate with that logic"

When you've been around here for a while, you will notice that EVERYTHING has been debated. Just becuase you do not grace us with participation, does not mean that it does not occur.

"Now our situations is obviously different then it was then but to criticize the 94 deals is ignorance"

Ignorance? How can it be ignorant to ask questions? Do you know what ignorance means? By ignorance, you imply that I am talking about a situation that I know nothing about. How are my questions an example of ignorance, but your support isn't?
who cares

Dunham has looked awesome. you need to give up something to get something. not every trade is a steal. this is a fair deal

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11-08-2003, 04:47 PM
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as of sunday, 9 out of 10 points scored by zidlicky were on the PP and is actually a -2 on the season. i would hate to see what his numbers would look like if he wasnt on the PP.

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And what are our defensemen's numbers on the "power" play? How many points do they collectively have?

Maybe a "power play" specialist on defense is just what this group needs.

By the way, as yesterday according to espn.com, he has 12 points, 8 on the power play. His +/- is no worse than the other players on his team and he's averaging over 19 minutes a game.

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Maybe a "power play" specialist on defense is just what this group needs.
i am not saying anything about our defenseman just zidlicky. sure he can be a PP specialist(which is what i said he would be) but somehow alot of people thought he was a great 2-way defenseman.

and if this team needs a PP specialist, why is everyone so adamant on trading poti?

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11-08-2003, 05:11 PM
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A power play "specialist" doesn't play nearly twenty minutes a game. And bad teams usually do get a lot of points on their power play--being a man up is normally a great equalizer when a bad team plays a better one.

As for Poti--better go talk to the Powers That Be cause they are the ones who have limited his ice time on the power play.

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Zidlicky scored his 4th last night and played 20+ minutes as Preds beat Flames.

Kloucek played and had to leave the game with a shoulder injury. Damn, this is getting sad:

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