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02-24-2006, 05:36 PM
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Trade for the offseason

Dan Hamhuis or Ryan Suter
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Mike Richards or Jeff Carter

Thoughts:
1) We really need a young center to build around
2) I find it hard to think that Hamhuis, Suter, Weber, Parent, Klein, etc, will all make it as Predators. We're in a situation where we have "too many" stud defensemen. We've got to have a better young player to veteran player ratio on the blueline.
3) There are a lot of solid UFA dmen out there.
4) Philly could use another young blueline anchor.

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I'd love to see us get either. Suter/Hamhuis is a steep price and I would expect Philly to add in a little sweetener, but I think it could work.

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I'd love to see us get either. Suter/Hamhuis is a steep price and I would expect Philly to add in a little sweetener, but I think it could work.

absolutely not

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absolutely not
Why not? Has Richards leaped over Suter in terms of value? I'm not saying throw in Nittymaki. Just that I don't feel it's a *** for tat trade. I feel that Suter holds a little more value. Richards had a very solid rookie year, as has Suter. I don't see anything he's done to jump over Suter. Conversely, I don't see anything that Suter's done to deserve dropping.


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Why not? Has Richards leaped over Suter in terms of value? I'm not saying throw in Nittymaki. Just that I don't feel it's a *** for tat trade. I feel that Suter holds a little more value. Richards had a very solid rookie year, as has Suter. I don't see anything he's done to jump over Suter. Conversely, I don't see anything that Suter's done to deserve dropping.
That's not the point. The Flyers aren't trading one of their building blocks for the future AND having to throw something in to get a deal done. There's really no reason for the Flyers do such a deal straight up, and no incentive for them to add anything to said deal.

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From a sheer value standpoint, I think all four of these players are in the same range of value.

Because we need a center so bad, we might be in a position of weakness. However, being that Philly only has one defenseman under the age of 30 (with no great prospects in system, either), I think they'd be very interested in Suter or Hamhuis.

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02-25-2006, 12:35 AM
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That's not the point. The Flyers aren't trading one of their building blocks for the future AND having to throw something in to get a deal done. There's really no reason for the Flyers do such a deal straight up, and no incentive for them to add anything to said deal.
The FLyers have the same incentive to do a 1 for 1 deal as the Predators do. Just because Richards and Carter are solid prospects with a great future, does not mean Hamhuis and Suter are not equally as talented and equally a part of our future. The FLyers have tons of centers, the Preds have tons of defensemen. As much as you are trying to say that the Flyers are getting boned here, they really aren't. Both teams would be dealing from areas of strengths, and value wise, Suter and Hamhuis probably exceed that of Carter or Richards....granted, by a slim margin.

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The FLyers have the same incentive to do a 1 for 1 deal as the Predators do. Just because Richards and Carter are solid prospects with a great future, does not mean Hamhuis and Suter are not equally as talented and equally a part of our future. The FLyers have tons of centers, the Preds have tons of defensemen. As much as you are trying to say that the Flyers are getting boned here, they really aren't. Both teams would be dealing from areas of strengths, and value wise, Suter and Hamhuis probably exceed that of Carter or Richards....granted, by a slim margin.
I'd say value-wise..

Hamhuis
Richards
Suter
Carter

in that order.

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That's not the point. The Flyers aren't trading one of their building blocks for the future AND having to throw something in to get a deal done. There's really no reason for the Flyers do such a deal straight up, and no incentive for them to add anything to said deal.
umm a young forward to build around richards/carter (take your pick)
and a yound stud dman (suter weber hamhuis)
instead of being stocked at forward they hae a balance. id say straight up no sweetener needed

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i'd agree that really, this deal(straight up) benefits both teams in a rare mutual sort of way.

Philly is slim on defensive prospects, and has an aging blueline, outside of Pitkanen. Meanwhile, they have a dearth of young, promising centers.

Conversely, Nashville is stocked to the gills with potential top-four d-men...but is completely devoid of center prospects outside a few long shots.

Suter for one of Carter or Richards seems ideal. Future star first pairing guy for a future top-line center.

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That's not the point. The Flyers aren't trading one of their building blocks for the future AND having to throw something in to get a deal done. There's really no reason for the Flyers do such a deal straight up, and no incentive for them to add anything to said deal.
No, it is the point. I was asking why the Flyers wouldn't do it. You answered the question for me. If they don't need a player like Suter, I don't feel the need to 'waste' him on a team that doesn't value him fully. He's got elite level value that I think exceeds that of Richards, but I would agree, if you guys don't really want Suter, then we would have to overpay to get Richards. And Suter for Richards is a tad bit of overpayment.

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I'd give more then Suter for Richards. not much more, but maybe a little more. As where we have insane depth at D, and have next to none at center.

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The FLyers have the same incentive to do a 1 for 1 deal as the Predators do. Just because Richards and Carter are solid prospects with a great future, does not mean Hamhuis and Suter are not equally as talented and equally a part of our future.
I never said they weren't.

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The FLyers have tons of centers, the Preds have tons of defensemen. As much as you are trying to say that the Flyers are getting boned here, they really aren't.
And I never said they were getting boned. I said that there was no reason for them to add anything to such a deal.

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Both teams would be dealing from areas of strengths, and value wise, Suter and Hamhuis probably exceed that of Carter or Richards....granted, by a slim margin.
Of course they would. Biasness aside, the Flyers have no need to trade a rookie for a rookie (Suter) or a second year player (Hamhuis). If they're getting dealt, they're getting dealt for a veteran.

When's the last time you saw a top prospect traded for a top prospect?

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If they don't need a player like Suter, I don't feel the need to 'waste' him on a team that doesn't value him fully.
Again, you've missed the point. The Flyers could certainly use a player like Suter. Just not at the expense of Richards or Carter at this point in their careers.

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Philly is slim on defensive prospects, and has an aging blueline, outside of Pitkanen.
Aging blueline? Counting Pitkanen, half the defensemen are 30 or under.

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enough of these bull **** proposals for young prospects ... these proposals are not going to fly in this new day and age of the new NHL ... when was the last time you saw one of these types of proposals actually come to fruition

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Jason Bacashihua for Shaun Belle, a 2004 draft-day trade.

You are correct, it doesn't happen often.

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Sounds like a pie in the sky dream to me. Everyone always wnats out "stud" young D-men for a song and then do their own singing. I say not now BUT HECK NO!

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Sounds like a pie in the sky dream to me. Everyone always wnats out "stud" young D-men for a song and then do their own singing. I say not now BUT HECK NO!

To be fair, no one is offering up "nothing." Value-wise the trade is right on. While you may not know much about Carter or Richards...believe me, a Suter-for-Carter deal is pretty even and, as mentioned, benefits both teams, I think. Will it happen? Probably not, but this board is for "wouldn't it be nice?" as much as anything.

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To be fair, no one is offering up "nothing." Value-wise the trade is right on. While you may not know much about Carter or Richards...believe me, a Suter-for-Carter deal is pretty even and, as mentioned, benefits both teams, I think. Will it happen? Probably not, but this board is for "wouldn't it be nice?" as much as anything.
I'd love to pick Poile's brain and have him tell us where he thinks the odds lay for our future center: 20% UFA, 35% trade, etc...

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