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02-24-2006, 09:55 PM
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Chara/Redden????

Can anyone see us being far enough under the cap to somehow sign one of these guys? I feel like we only need to go after two players this offseason: A topnotch defenceman and a faceoff specialist at C. I can live with a defense next year of Redden, Zhitnik, Gervais, Campoli, Erksine and Lukowich. We NEED to make a run at one of these guys though.

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Can anyone see us being far enough under the cap to somehow sign one of these guys? I feel like we only need to go after two players this offseason: A topnotch defenceman and a faceoff specialist at C. I can live with a defense next year of Redden, Zhitnik, Gervais, Campoli, Erksine and Lukowich. We NEED to make a run at one of these guys though.
No buyout of Yashin, no cap room.

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No buyout of Yashin, no cap room.
Not necessarily. If the Isles can move Zhitnik/Satan and replace players like Parrish and Blake with rookies they could squeeze one of these guys under the cap (probably not Chara though, given my theory that he is going to land a monumental contract this offseason.)

The more difficult part would be convincing either of these guys to sign here on Long Island as opposed to a huge market cup contender. The Isles are better served upgrading through trades and free agents outside of the elite like Willie Mitchell or Ruslan Salei.

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02-24-2006, 10:16 PM
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No buyout of Yashin, no cap room.
In terms of Chara and Redden most likely fringe players will be moved from the Senators to find a way to pay and keep both of them if they wish to stay.

I thnk partly this comes down to how far the Senators go this spring in the playoffs because it's time for that group to win a cup or take a good look at it's core and make some tough choices. My guess is one is resigned and one goes if they do not win the Stanley Cup, either way both players can pick and choose what they want to do.

With Ninimaa (perhaps Parrish) some other expiring contracts and an increase of the cap the money will be there with or without Yashin if they want to target one of these players. Would they want to come here (or return in Chara's case) is the question, on the surface this seems unlikely.

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02-24-2006, 10:48 PM
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Not necessarily. If the Isles can move Zhitnik/Satan and replace players like Parrish and Blake with rookies they could squeeze one of these guys under the cap (probably not Chara though, given my theory that he is going to land a monumental contract this offseason.)

The more difficult part would be convincing either of these guys to sign here on Long Island as opposed to a huge market cup contender. The Isles are better served upgrading through trades and free agents outside of the elite like Willie Mitchell or Ruslan Salei.

I personally see little chance that the Isles move Zhitnik or Satan in the off season, or at the deadline.

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02-24-2006, 11:43 PM
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I personally see little chance that the Isles move Zhitnik or Satan in the off season, or at the deadline.
There are a ton of teams that would vie for Satan's services if they were offered. He's played like a first line winger since Brad Shaw took over and would be invaluable to a playoff team.

Given his contract we couldn't get a huge return for him, but it would certainly free up cap space. It really depends on whether or not we trust young guys like Nilsson and Bergenheim to take the reins a little on offense and rebuild on defense.

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No buyout of Yashin, no cap room.
As has already been evidenced, a buyout of Yashin nets little if any cap space when you factor in the cost of replacement for a first line center and the remaining cap hit of the buyout. The spend for those two items will be in the $6-7M range, with Yashin's bell shaped annual salary declining.
With the cap rising to $42-46M there will be room to add players, especially if Parrish goes UFA.
The way I see it NYI has the ability to make enough moves with keeping Yashin (a high probability) if Wang authorizes a budget that comes close to cap max with a little room for emergency spending.
Despite what a lot of people think, the way ahead will be to do what was attempted by MMM only this year with Satan. That is to build a first line around Yashin that maximizes his skills and returns him to the productivity of late 90's.
The other lines have to also be constructed with the speedy, skill players with heart that we lack. No more puck-hogging third line Blakes or single skill Parrishes, no more played out of position/role Ashams or Bates.

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02-25-2006, 09:43 AM
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Let's try and get this thread back on topic. Too many posts where Chara/Redden are not even mentioned at all.

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So then the thread is dead, neither guy will sign here.

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So then the thread is dead, neither guy will sign here.
I don't think either will. Especially Redden who was dumped by us years back and Chara the same...not having Mike around may be somewhat of a positive though. If anyone were to come it would be Redden....Chara as someone else mentioned due to his insane overatedness is going to get a contract of monumental proportions and whoever gives it to him is gonna pay for it for a long time. Chara is one of the most overrated players in the league IMO, he benefits from great stats, largely due to who he plays with...if you put me on the ice with that team I'd be a +40. Redden is a great player, he has a hell of a shot and makes great defensive plays, all Chara does is benefit from his long reach and break up every single pass.

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I don't see the $ to spend Chara or Redden being available, and I doubt either player would have any interest whatsoever in playing here.


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Buuuut to keep this on topic, i dont see the islanders getting either Chara or Redden, tho i wouldnt mind Redden.


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The Isles are better served upgrading through trades and free agents outside of the elite like Willie Mitchell or Ruslan Salei.
I agree with this, best just to try improve our defense with guys we can afford who won't make our cap structure out of wack.

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02-25-2006, 04:08 PM
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Sign me up for that idea as well.

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We must get mileage out of our most skilled players.
Then there is money for shoring up the defense, which is as much a priority.


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i think the whole Kaberle signing is going to wind up screwing the islanders on the FA market. Kaberle is a good d-man, but i dont think he's $5mil good.

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Will Kaberle set the market for Chara? Not necessarily, in fact Chara will likely be the player setting the market for all defenders and may get close to the max.

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we have all our eggs in the Yashin basket

no soup for you - or rather -no Chara or Redden

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Will Kaberle set the market for Chara? Not necessarily, in fact Chara will likely be the player setting the market for all defenders and may get close to the max.

I actually disagree and agree at the same time. I think looking at what Kaberle got will make Chara look around and think 'wow, he's a solid Dman, but im CHARA!' and then set the market.



Just curious, is there a max contract that can be signed??

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this is what I like about the sal cap - the big wheels cant just spend that extra 1 mil put put them over the top to land the good free agents

there are only X amount of roster positions in the entire league for d-men to make 4-5 mil per season

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I actually disagree and agree at the same time. I think looking at what Kaberle got will make Chara look around and think 'wow, he's a solid Dman, but im CHARA!' and then set the market.



Just curious, is there a max contract that can be signed??

No player can make more than 20% of the cap.

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interesting... what happens tho if he is signed at 20% of a 40mil cap and the cap drops to 35mil? theoretical of course.

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interesting... what happens tho if he is signed at 20% of a 40mil cap and the cap drops to 35mil? theoretical of course.
From my understanding, if you sign for 20% of the cap 1 year and the cap lowers the next year, they player will still be paid what he signed for(every cent counting towards the cap). This is a reason alot of players signed contracts last season for 7 million(instead of 7.8 million). Both sides gambled(players that the cap would go down, owners that it would stay the same or go up).

I think the only expection to this rule are contracts signed before the lockout like Yashin's or Jagrs. They still will be paid what they should get but the cap hit can only be a maximum 20% of the salary cap.

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i would like for everyone to say together. BRYAN McCABE . THE WRITTINGS ON THE WALL. PLUS HIS WIFE IS FROM LONG ISLAND

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i think the whole Kaberle signing is going to wind up screwing the islanders on the FA market. Kaberle is a good d-man, but i dont think he's $5mil good.
I don't think it will. Generally speaking, offensive d-men get paid more than defensive ones. Look at Foote last year in comparison to Gonchar, and Foote is a much more valuable defenseman and has been for a lot longer. Even if Kaberle has set the market for offensive d-men, it is unlikely to have much effect on the market for guys like Salei and Mitchell who should be Islander targets. Plus, Kaberle is more of a #2 guy. Guys like Redden and McCabe who are truly elite #1 defensemen, well, they're going to get huge contracts regardless of what Kaberle got.

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