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Originally Posted by Corto
I disagree with this.
He was pointing out the score. Only after Brashear's antics.
Beating people up for landing clean hits ro scoring goals on you should have never been a part of a sport in the first place.
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I dont really care who started or finished it or provoked or did anything else to it.
I'm also not denying it happens all the time.
What I did see was a game that came very close to getting out of hand very quickly and years when you did that, you weren't going to be skating around the ice.
Love it or hate, that's the way the game was played for 80 years and it was a balance. Can you imagine anyone doing what either of those guys did last night with Gordie Howe sitting on the opposite bench.
Exactly. For the same reason you never would've seen a guy staring a home run ball if they hit one of Bob Gibson. Stuff like this exists in sports, but it used to be that you did so at your own risk. Nowadays there isn't that fear.
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Come on, players are insulting each other all the time. The difference is, this time it was recorded. But it is nothing new and nothing special to wory about as you do...
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Again I don't deny that. However, in the past when you did you did so at your own risk. Today that isn't an option is an already physical game, you get over the top incidents like we were heading towards last night. Again it "happens" all the time until it gets seriously out of hand. Then everyone looks around dumbfounded.
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I agree that if a Flyer had done that we'd be calling him classless but isn't that what being a fan is about. Rooting for your team regardless and defending their honor against other fans.
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Being a fan does not excuse common sense or something I don't agree with for me. I've never been a "stick up for someone regardless of whether they are on the team I root for" type. To me that's a cop out. The one thing I did when I wrote here, I do in my career and I do when people ask me a question is call it like I see it. If I start changing that for various reasons, where does it stop? And for me personally, am I really being honest about the situation or am I justifying it to myself.
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I am confused on what you are suggesting otherwise. That the curbing of fighting in the NHL will cause an outbreak of violence? Isn't that a contradiction. I remember 10 + years ago that you are talking about. Once a team was losing 5-1 the rest of the game would end up being a brawl, players would serve their penalty minutes and then fight again. A scramble in front of the net would lead to a brawl. I'm not buying that a player like Ruszinsky wouldn't have done what he done 10 years ago. He would have done it AND then gotten into a fight later. I'm not getting the point that you are making that a player giving the middle finger is leading to more violence than the old days when fighting was met with more fighting. Remember the old joke? "I went to a fight and a hockey game broke out".
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You'd have to go back further then ten years ago but that's not what I'm talking about. That was never even an issue I brought up, I was talking about the results of gloating and suckering people into fights and the out and out lack of consequence for players when they do something.
And when you look back, yeah there was fighting. But it was over with the fight. Sports is often a mirror of life in the sense. Sometimes you fight, but it's over you move on. But when things linger, they often end up far worse. So what's really better? You take a few punches and it's over, or you end up with stick swinging, jumpings from behind, hair pulling, and all the pro wrestling style garbage we've seen since the NHL started "Cleaning up" the game?
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Ruszinsky's reaction was provoked by someone else who we did not see. Do you actually think Ruszinsky was instigating the Flyers and the Flyers did nothing to provoke Ruszinsky's response? Just because you didn't see it on TV doesn't mean it didn't happen. He's not the type of player to spout off.
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No one has cleared the Flyers or Brashear in this matter. I am talking about both sides here. People are looking at this as an either/or situation and I don't. But the fact that a defense for both teams would come down to a first grade like "well he started it" shows me just how amazingly stupid the situation last night became.
34 year old men acting like they're 5. I don't care who started it or what the name on the jersey was, in the current NHL landscape that is a precise recipe for a nother incident the NHL should be trying to avoid.
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