You're taking tonight's events too literal. I'm saying it's nice to see ANYTHING that resembles sticking up for the team. Brashear has done none of that all year and it's been very frustrating. We've seen a number of players, including our captain, go down with concussions from cheapshots and nothing has been done about it. We've experienced more injuries than any team in the league, a lot of them from contact that was illegal. Finally, it seems as though someone cares. It's a building block to a better team is all I'm saying. It shows that someone actually gives a **** about this team and about his teammates.
So Brashear took some stupid penalties. At least it was for the right reasons (in our opinion). It's been a long season of taking other teams' crap. It might've been a dumb way to go about it, but at least he finally said "no more".
I understand the idea of sticking up for one's teammates. We have a running argument on this board daily over that significance. But, nothing about Brashear's actions was in the realm of sticking up for one's teammates. Brashear lost it when Kasparitis hit him back. That's when he completely unraveled whatever Philly had done to that point. And, what he did at the end was stupid, classless and selfish.
No, but there comes a time (and gee, I'm sorry it was against the Rangers) when players or teams are through with being pushed around.
But that's the point. The Rangers weren't pushing them around, so don't tell me that this happened because the Flyers were tired of being pushed around tonight.
Also, I'll point out that it's a Flyer fan on your board who wrote this: "Brashear was pissed that Gagne is out of the line up from a Kaspar hit."
Brashear's actions tonight didn't come as a result of the Flyers being tired of getting pushed around. Brashear arrived with the intent of trying to start with Kasparaitis.
I understand the idea of sticking up for one's teammates. We have a running argument on this board daily over that significance. But, nothing about Brashear's actions was in the realm of sticking up for one's teammates. Brashear lost it when Kasparitis hit him back. That's when he completely unraveled whatever Philly had done to that point. And, what he did at the end was stupid, classless and selfish.
But that's the point. The Rangers weren't pushing them around, so don't tell me that this happened because the Flyers were tired of being pushed around tonight.
Also, I'll point out that it's a Flyer fan on your board who wrote this: "Brashear was pissed that Gagne is out of the line up from a Kaspar hit."
Brashear's actions tonight didn't come as a result of the Flyers being tired of getting pushed around. Brashear arrived with the intent of trying to start with Kasparaitis.
Funny thing there, dedalus. The Rangers should be every bit as pissed, since Prucha's out of the lineup due to a Stevenson hit....karma's a *****, ain't it?
Funny thing there, dedalus. The Rangers should be every bit as pissed, since Prucha's out of the lineup due to a Stevenson hit....karma's a *****, ain't it?
You know, you're right.
How quickly Flyer fans forget the hit that took out our second leading scorer.
But that's the point. The Rangers weren't pushing them around, so don't tell me that this happened because the Flyers were tired of being pushed around tonight.
Also, I'll point out that it's a Flyer fan on your board who wrote this: "Brashear was pissed that Gagne is out of the line up from a Kaspar hit."
Brashear's actions tonight didn't come as a result of the Flyers being tired of getting pushed around. Brashear arrived with the intent of trying to start with Kasparaitis.
I disagree with that poster. Kaspar took the run at Forsberg early in the first. On the ensuing faceoff, Brashear was put out with Forsberg and went right for Kaspar. I agree that I'm sure he's thinking "that's 2 of my players he's gone after now" but the whole thing didn't start until the attempted hit on Forsberg.
As well, Forsberg just returned to the Flyers lineup. Right away, a guy who is known to be a dirty player takes a run at him. I think that's enough to wake Brashear up. The fact that it was Forsberg plays a big part in this. He just returned, Brashear thought "not tonight" as in "we're not losing Forsberg to injury again" so he went out with a purpose. That was the line that he drew in the sand and I'm glad for it.
I disagree with that poster. Kaspar took the run at Forsberg early in the first. On the ensuing faceoff, Brashear was put out with Forsberg and went right for Kaspar. I agree that I'm sure he's thinking "that's 2 of my players he's gone after now" but the whole thing didn't start until the attempted hit on Forsberg.
As well, Forsberg just returned to the Flyers lineup. Right away, a guy who is known to be a dirty player takes a run at him. I think that's enough to wake Brashear up. The fact that it was Forsberg plays a big part in this. He just returned, Brashear thought "not tonight" as in "we're not losing Forsberg to injury again" so he went out with a purpose. That was the line that he drew in the sand and I'm glad for it.
What do you mean, "going after"??? How do you even know that? How can you sit there and call clean hits or clean attempts at hits "going after." ITS HOCKEY MAN, COME ON.
How quickly Flyer fans forget the hit that took out our second leading scorer.
How quickly the Ranger fans forget that Stevenson was made to fight for that clean hit. So many of you are saying Kaspar shouldn't be made to stand up for his hits though. Which is it?
What do you mean, "going after"??? How do you even know that? How can you sit there and call clean hits or clean attempts at hits "going after." ITS HOCKEY MAN, COME ON.
I said "took a run" which is entirely accurate. Kaspar crossed a huge portion of the ice to try and level Forsberg at top speed.
How quickly the Ranger fans forget that Stevenson was made to fight for that clean hit. So many of you are saying Kaspar shouldn't be made to stand up for his hits though. Which is it?
No one unfairly jumped Stenvenson. It was a fair throw down. Both guys were ready to go, Stevenson knew he had it coming. If stevenson didnt want to fight, I dont think Strudwick would have jumped on his back, pulle dhis hair, sucker punched him and bashed his head while he was down on the ice.
No one unfairly jumped Stenvenson. It was a fair throw down. Both guys were ready to go, Stevenson knew he had it coming. If stevenson didnt want to fight, I dont think Strudwick would have jumped on his back, pulle dhis hair, sucker punched him and bashed his head while he was down on the ice.
Nor did Brashear do any of those things. He grabbed Kaspar's jersey and turned him around and said something probably like "I'm going to ****ing kill you" and usually in those situations, Brashear expects the guy to fight back and so he started punching. He should've dropped the gloves, but we all know he's a little slow on the uptake. You can't tell me Kaspar wasn't expecting any of that.
Okay. You should take it up with him. We both know that there was plenty of talk on your board about the Flyers laying in wait for Kaspar when the NHL started again. It was even mentioned on DNL the other day.
Okay. You should take it up with him. We both know that there was plenty of talk on your board about the Flyers laying in wait for Kaspar when the NHL started again. It was even mentioned on DNL the other day.
I agree. It had to be in the back of their minds. But, Brashear didn't start anything with Kaspar until he tried to hit Forsberg. His job is to protect the stars, and that's what he tried to do. He's just not very good at it!
Charging? Head-hunting? Come on, did you even watch it?
I sure did watch, and it was a very clean attempt to throw a body check that just flat out missed. Maybe it was a hard hit, but it was a clean one that is allowed in this sport.
And to respond to your other post. Brashaer sure did pull Kaspars hair, and he sure did sucker punch him, and he sure did pound his head while he was down. Did you watch the game?
No, but there comes a time (and gee, I'm sorry it was against the Rangers) when players or teams are through with being pushed around. Kasparaitis was pulling his usual stunts, running from Brashear since the attempted hit on Forsberg, what better time? It's like a whole new season, Brashear was finally standing up for his team. If it wasn't the Rangers, it's somebody else.
Forsberg needs protection? Your boy is pretty big and he was running around the ice alot himself. I felt like some of our top line guys needed protection from him. And it looked like he was well on his way to addressing the attempted hit by Kasperitis before Brashear was sent out to goon it up. That's like indicating that Bertuzzi needs an enforcer on his line. That's a pretty weak reason for Brashear to go after Kasperitis. Gee, I guess it has nothing to do with the Olympics... which has nothing to do with the NHL. It was obvious before the game started that Kasper was a target.
Brashear expects the guy to fight back and so he started punching. He should've dropped the gloves, but we all know he's a little slow on the uptake. You can't tell me Kaspar wasn't expecting any of that.
No, dude. You can't have it both ways. Kaspar is expected to know that Brashear will throw fists but Brashear isn't expected to know that Kasparaitis doesn't fight?
Come on. Don't try to get the guy off the hook by claiming he's too stupid, that "he's a little slow on the uptake." Kaspar knew Brashear was coming. In fact that's exactly what Kaspar wanted. Brashear knew that Kaspar wouldn't fight; he never does. Brashear decided to hit him anyway.
I don't care if that makes you happy or not, but let's not pretend like Brashear was an innocent party who didn't know Kaspar's game and honestly thought Kasparaitis was going to drop the gloves. Brashear simply wanted to pound Kasparaitis, and he couldn't have cared less if Kasparaitis raised a glove in defense. We know this by the simple fact that he was trying to hit the guy when he was turtling.
I sure did watch, and it was a very clean attempt to throw a body check that just flat out missed. Maybe it was a hard hit, but it was a clean one that is allowed in this sport.
And to respond to your other post. Brashaer sure did pull Kaspars hair, and he sure did sucker punch him, and he sure did pound his head while he was down. Did you watch the game?
The close-up replay didn't show any hair being grabbed. A sucker punch is when a guy isn't paying attention. Kaspar knew it was coming. Brashear thought a fight was starting, I guess he forgot who he was looking at? And yeah, Brashear threw a couple punches while Kaspar was turtling. As I said, he's not the sharpest knife in the drawer, he probably thought the fight was still going on.
Brashear expects the guy to fight back and so he started punching. He should've dropped the gloves, but we all know he's a little slow on the uptake. You can't tell me Kaspar wasn't expecting any of that.
Since when do you start punching with your gloves one when you expect another guy to fight? You have no leg to stand on here.
The close-up replay didn't show any hair being grabbed. A sucker punch is when a guy isn't paying attention. Kaspar knew it was coming. Brashear thought a fight was starting, I guess he forgot who he was looking at? And yeah, Brashear threw a couple punches while Kaspar was turtling. As I said, he's not the sharpest knife in the drawer, he probably thought the fight was still going on.
No man, the hair got pulled in the second period, right after Brashaer ripped Kaspar's helmet off.
No, dude. You can't have it both ways. Kaspar is expected to know that Brashear will throw fists but Brashear isn't expected to know that Kasparaitis doesn't fight?
Come on. Don't try to get the guy off the hook by claiming he's too stupid, that "he's a little slow on the uptake." Kaspar knew Brashear was coming. In fact that's exactly what Kaspar wanted. Brashear knew that Kaspar wouldn't fight; he never does. Brashear decided to hit him anyway.
I don't care if that makes you happy or not, but let's not pretend like Brashear was an innocent party who didn't know Kaspar's game and honestly thought Kasparaitis was going to drop the gloves. Brashear simply wanted to pound Kasparaitis, and he couldn't have cared less if Kasparaitis raised a glove in defense. We know this by the simple fact that he was trying to hit the guy when he was turtling.
I'm not trying to get him off the hook. Man, that guy on the Flyers' board was right, I hate the way you argue. Don't put words in my mouth.
It seems to be a pretty common opinion that Brashear is "stupid", so why am I not allowed to defend him for that reason? He's a moron, and he acted like it out there. You're right, Brashear wanted payback, can you blame him? Kaspar deserves what comes to him for the way he plays. I don't believe Brashear cared about the consequences of his actions. They both have their hand in what happened out there.
I agree. It had to be in the back of their minds. But, Brashear didn't start anything with Kaspar until he tried to hit Forsberg. His job is to protect the stars, and that's what he tried to do. He's just not very good at it!
well going after him really did your team some good didn't it? you guys are in a fight for 1st place and your worrying about kasper putting a clean hit mind you on foppa, and blow the game for that? we will take that everyday and cash that check at the end of the game! your pk is horrendous and power play isn't much good right now either but your going to let huggie bear run around and pull his crap and loose a game and valuble points at the same time? that makes no sense?
Since when do you start punching with your gloves one when you expect another guy to fight? You have no leg to stand on here.
I'm not saying Brashear was right in doing so! Honestly! It was a dumb move. I'm just saying it wasn't a sucker punch, Kaspar knew what was coming. He always does. A turtle knows what's coming to him, that's why they turtle.
