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03-08-2006, 07:29 PM
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Gainey in a very good bargaining position now

Bob Gainey has just put the Canadiens in a very good bargaining position, he has freed up valuble cap space, the goaltending situation is solid with Huet, Danis, Abeshier and Carey Price in the future and most important, all the goalies are easily marketable, do you think Tampa Bay, Vancouver may be calling.
Canadiens may be able to add a Jokinen, or even a Lecavalier, (pure speculation)

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lots of depth in goal

I agree completely, but I think Gainey will not do anything until the summer at the draft table.

He likes to "evaulate" his team, and he is proving that NOBODY can predict his moves!

Now PLEASE trade Zednik and Ribero!

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ribs, zed, 1st for jokinen
aeb for tkachuk(always been my fav player)

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ribs, zed, 1st for jokinen
aeb for tkachuk(always been my fav player)
No offense but tkachuk is a bum

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No offense but tkachuk is a bum
That's fine, but hes playing great this year, and hes a bargain next

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That's fine, but hes playing great this year, and hes a bargain next
and he has a no trade clause he won't waive...

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the goaltending situation is solid with Huet, Danis, Abeshier and Carey Price in the future and most important, all the goalies are easily marketable, do you think Vancouver may be calling.
Why would the Canucks want any of those goalies? Maybe if the asking price was low for Aebischer or Huet, but neither is an improvement over Auld and neither of them have much experience.

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Why would the Canucks want any of those goalies? Maybe if the asking price was low for Aebischer or Huet, but neither is an improvement over Auld and neither of them have much experience.

they all have more value than auld. if auld was so great, canucks wouldn't be looking for a goaltending help.

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they all have more value than auld. if auld was so great, canucks wouldn't be looking for a goaltending help.
What makes you think they have more value than Auld? Auld is 24 years old and has proven that he is a capable NHL starter this season. Both Huet and Dannis will be UFA at season's end. Aebischer hasn't had a solid season at all. How are these players worth more than Auld?

And the Canucks are looking for another goaltender because Auld, although he has been solid this season, is still very inexperienced. Oh, and they also don't have a legit NHL back-up with Maxime Ouellet thrown into that spot presently. That couldn't be why they are looking for depth, could it?

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Why would the Canucks want any of those goalies? Maybe if the asking price was low for Aebischer or Huet, but neither is an improvement over Auld and neither of them have much experience.
But what if Auld steps off the curb and twists his ankle? Or if Auld cracks under pressure in the playoffs? Or someone crashes the goal and sidelines him? Wouldn't the Canucks want to have a competent backup? Aebischer has a lot more NHL experience than Auld and Huet has at least as much, in addition to international experience.

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ribs, zed, 1st for jokinen
Why the hell would you give all that for a player that'll become UFA this summer?

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Why the hell would you give all that for a player that'll become UFA this summer?

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But what if Auld steps off the curb and twists his ankle? Or if Auld cracks under pressure in the playoffs? Or someone crashes the goal and sidelines him? Wouldn't the Canucks want to have a competent backup? Aebischer has a lot more NHL experience than Auld and Huet has at least as much, in addition to international experience.
Like I said, if the asking price for Aebischer was reasonable, it could be an option. But personally, I'd look at other options first. Cloutier could be back before the post-season as well.

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Why the hell would you give all that for a player that'll become UFA this summer?
Why? Because a lot of people want him, and we need to outbid them. Two, what are we going to do with Ribs? If we could get Jokinen to sign and have a 1-2 punch with them would be nice. Zed well whatever really and the 1st, well the draft is horrible and we such at first round picks, so ya, get a really good player and keep him away from our rivals

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Why? Because a lot of people want him, and we need to outbid them. Two, what are we going to do with Ribs? If we could get Jokinen to sign and have a 1-2 punch with them would be nice. Zed well whatever really and the 1st, well the draft is horrible and we such at first round picks, so ya, get a really good player and keep him away from our rivals
yeah and what if Jokinen doesnt resign

You're talking like he's the guy who's going to bring us the cup.

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yeah and what if Jokinen doesnt resign

You're talking like he's the guy who's going to bring us the cup.
Gainey took exactly the same risk when he traded for Kovalev. Besides, a sign-and-trade deal is distinctly possible.

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Gainey took exactly the same risk when he traded for Kovalev. Besides, a sign-and-trade deal is distinctly possible.
Balej + second round pick for kovalev != ribs, zed + first round pick for jokinen..

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Gainey took exactly the same risk when he traded for Kovalev. Besides, a sign-and-trade deal is distinctly possible.
lol, balej + 3rd = rib + zed + 1st?

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What makes you think they have more value than Auld? Auld is 24 years old and has proven that he is a capable NHL starter this season. Both Huet and Dannis will be UFA at season's end. Aebischer hasn't had a solid season at all. How are these players worth more than Auld?
has auld been player of the week? huet currently makes peanuts, and the habs dropped theo so they can resign huet to a nice fat contract. just look at their numbers and tell me who the better goaltender is. Danis* is an UFA? LOL! you don't even know what you're talking about. do some research next time, eh?

and yes aebischer has 'struggled' but he brings experience (which you claimed auld lacks) and has a winning record in both the regular season and playoffs. plus even though he's struggled this year, he's got three shutouts, how many does auld have? how about a big fat ZERO!
2.87 gaa versus a 2.98 gaa....0.906 saves percentage versus a .900 saves percentage. gee if aebischer is 'struggling' i wonder how good he can be if he wasn't? certainly better than auld, who you claim to be as 'solid'? well abeischers career numbers state that he's far better than auld.

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And the Canucks are looking for another goaltender because Auld, although he has been solid this season, is still very inexperienced. Oh, and they also don't have a legit NHL back-up with Maxime Ouellet thrown into that spot presently. That couldn't be why they are looking for depth, could it?
there's tons of backups in the nhl with experience and some could be had for cheap. you want a cheap backup? why not garth snow? if you want a goaltender BETTER than auld though, you'll have to overpay. see the thing is, you guys ARENT looking for a backup. you're looking for a proven experienced goaltender that can take you far into the playoffs.

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My two cents worth = I hope to god we don't bail out the 'Nucks and take Bertuzzi off of their hands.

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has auld been player of the week?
No, but he's been pretty damn solid all season long for the Canucks. I could care less if Huet has a good couple weeks, he's no more proven than Auld is.

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just look at their numbers and tell me who the better goaltender is.
So were going to base who the better goaltender is on 20 games? Yea that makes a lot of sense. If that's the case, why don't we base it on 40+ games? That's how many Huet playerd for the Kings in the 03/04 season and his numbers were very similar to that of Auld's this season. Work for you?

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Danis* is an UFA? LOL! you don't even know what you're talking about. do some research next time, eh?
Yan Danis will qualify for Group VI UFA this summer. He'll be 25 years old prior to July 1st, has played 3 professional seasons and has played fewer than 28 NHL games.

Perhaps you should do some research next time, eh?

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and yes aebischer has 'struggled' but he brings experience (which you claimed auld lacks) and has a winning record in both the regular season and playoffs.
I was thinking along the lines of more experience than 11 post-season games. Even Auld has 4 games in the playoffs!

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plus even though he's struggled this year, he's got three shutouts, how many does auld have? how about a big fat ZERO!
Who cares about shutouts? I'd rather my goalie play consistently then get a shutout now and then.



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2.87 gaa versus a 2.98 gaa....0.906 saves percentage versus a .900 saves percentage. gee if aebischer is 'struggling' i wonder how good he can be if he wasn't? certainly better than auld, who you claim to be as 'solid'? well abeischers career numbers state that he's far better than auld.
Aebischer has struggled this season. He's been horrible inconsistent all year long. Doesn't it tell you something that the Avs were willing to trade him away for a goaltender who is currently injured, playing downright dreadful hockey this season, and has a horrible contract?

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there's tons of backups in the nhl with experience and some could be had for cheap. you want a cheap backup? why not garth snow? if you want a goaltender BETTER than auld though, you'll have to overpay.
Really? Thanks for enlightening me on that....

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see the thing is, you guys ARENT looking for a backup. you're looking for a proven experienced goaltender that can take you far into the playoffs.
Exactly, which Aebischer isn't. Nonis has said over and over that they are looking for an experienced BACK-UP goaltender. Auld has proven he is capable of being the starter if an upgrade cannot be acquired.

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has auld been player of the week? huet currently makes peanuts, and the habs dropped theo so they can resign huet to a nice fat contract. just look at their numbers and tell me who the better goaltender is. Danis* is an UFA? LOL! you don't even know what you're talking about. do some research next time, eh?

and yes aebischer has 'struggled' but he brings experience (which you claimed auld lacks) and has a winning record in both the regular season and playoffs. plus even though he's struggled this year, he's got three shutouts, how many does auld have? how about a big fat ZERO!
2.87 gaa versus a 2.98 gaa....0.906 saves percentage versus a .900 saves percentage. gee if aebischer is 'struggling' i wonder how good he can be if he wasn't? certainly better than auld, who you claim to be as 'solid'? well abeischers career numbers state that he's far better than auld.



there's tons of backups in the nhl with experience and some could be had for cheap. you want a cheap backup? why not garth snow? if you want a goaltender BETTER than auld though, you'll have to overpay. see the thing is, you guys ARENT looking for a backup. you're looking for a proven experienced goaltender that can take you far into the playoffs.
Alex Auld - 27 wins
Montreal Canadiens - 29 wins..

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Yan Danis will qualify for Group VI UFA this summer. He'll be 25 years old prior to July 1st, has played 3 professional seasons and has played fewer than 28 NHL games.

Perhaps you should do some research next time, eh?

Damn, that freakin' lost year has some unsuspected consequences.

Except that a new CBA has been implemented and they changed the whole damn UFA rules. I'm not that sure Group VI still exists...

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Bob Gainey has just put the Canadiens in a very good bargaining position, he has freed up valuble cap space, the goaltending situation is solid with Huet, Danis, Abeshier and Carey Price in the future and most important, all the goalies are easily marketable, do you think Tampa Bay, Vancouver may be calling.
Canadiens may be able to add a Jokinen, or even a Lecavalier, (pure speculation)
I agree. Not only for tommorrow but also for the off-season. Aebischer is cheap for the rest of this season and is an upgrade over Theo in the short term. (Chances were almost nil that Theo finds his game in Mtl anyway, and less than that before the playoffs start) Theo for Aebischer gives BG an extra 2.6 million for tomorrow. Plus Abby is a UFA this summer. If he performs well BG can use some of the freed up money to resign him, if he doesn't the Habs can look elsewhere without costing themselves a dime.

They probably can't flip a goalie for this season (better to be prepared for a run without having to worry so much about the state of your goaltenders groin muscles...) but certainly with the stable of young goaltenders and the near constant demand at that position the Habs are indeed in a postion of strength. Look what Minny got for Roloson, and look how many offers are out there for Biron/Noronen. It is NEVER bad to have such depth at such a value position.

Time will tell if player for player this was a steal one way or the other or an even deal. But for now I really like the move from a pure organizational standpoint.

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