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10-26-2003, 01:23 PM
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You be the GM/coach

...and no jokes like "First, I slit my wrists."

Select your lineup for the next game. You are allowed to recall up to 2 players from WBS, but must make room on the roster for them. Also, choose your lines and D pairings. Here's mine:

Lemieux - Fata - Morozov
Koltsov - Straka - Kostopoulos
Malone - Holzinger - Bradley
Buchberger - Eastwood - Webb

Tarnstrom - Berehowsky
Melichar - Lupaschuk
Orpik - Baumgartner

Fleury

I'm demoting Abid and Focht. Recalling TK and Lupaschuk. Hopefully the result will be better than a 7-2 loss.

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10-26-2003, 01:58 PM
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Your top 2 lines are exactly what I was thinking. My lineup would be:

Koltsov-Lemieux-Morozov
Abid-Fata-Straka
Malone-Kraft-Bradley
Webb-Eastwood-Buchberger

Tarnstrom Orpik
Lupaschuk Melichar
Berehowsky Focht

Fleury
Caron

I'm demoting Baumgartner.

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Lemieux - Fata - Morozov
Surovy - Straka - Koltsov
Malone - Kraft - Kostopoulos
Webb - Eastwood - Buchberger

Tarnstrom - Orpik
Berehowsky - Melichar
Focht - Baumgartner
(hope to have Rozi back soon)

Fleury
Caron


Call ups: Surovy and Kostopoulos (the 2 best baby Pens so far)
Demote Abid.
Trade/Release Holzinger.

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10-26-2003, 04:30 PM
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Koltsov-Mario-Surovy
i want to keep morozov away from Mario, see if he can score w/o him. i dont want koltsov on the right wing, put him back on left. i know RW isnt Surovy's normal position, but i dont think there is anyone else that can play there.

Straka-Fata-Morozov
try and split Mario and Straka along with the other teams better defensive pairings. Fata's and Straka's combined speed should create something. of course if i were gm i would be making an effort to trade morozov for something.

Malone-Abid-Bradley
though not the speediest of lines, they will hit and may put a few in the net. note though that if Malone struggles i would send him down and bring up Lefevbre


Webb-Eastwood-Buchberger/McKenna
they may not be scoring aay, but they can hit and play hard. thats more important for a 4th line.

Tarnstrom-Focht
let focht stay back a little while tarnstrom plays up. tarnstroms faster so it can help negate focht's speed a little.

Melichar-Roszival/Baumgartner
you need someone who can move the puck to play with Melichar. these two seem to be the best fit

Orpik-Berehowsky
Orpik can learn from him, plus Berehowsky can move the puck some.


Fleury
Caron

i would be rtying to trade Kraft and Holzinger as Kraft needs at least a change of scenery (probably more though) and Holzinger just isnt very good. see if i could package the two (though doubtful) maybe along with aubin. i would send holzinger down to make room for surovy.

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10-26-2003, 09:45 PM
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Being a coach takes a heck of a lot more than just figuring out the lines. And right now, the lines should be the last thing addressed.

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10-27-2003, 02:41 AM
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Being a coach takes a heck of a lot more than just figuring out the lines. And right now, the lines should be the last thing addressed.
Okaaaaaay. What does that have to do with this thread? It was just for fun, dude.

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10-27-2003, 07:25 AM
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I would trade for and sign Comrie, and then I would trade for Gauthier.

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Who would you trade? Easier said than done.

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I would trade for and sign Comrie, and then I would trade for Gauthier.
Gee. That was easy. I'd just trade for Forsberg and Blake. Then I'd take back the Naslund trade.

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10-27-2003, 10:33 AM
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Gee. That was easy. I'd just trade for Forsberg and Blake. Then I'd take back the Naslund trade.
we're going for an X-Generation, the guys you are trading for are too old. you should be going after hejduk and morrison instead.

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I would do everything in my power to get back Ian Moran.

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I would do everything in my power to get back Ian Moran.
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Trading for Comrie will not be that hard. Actually, we have seen how Lowe trades. Now that Comrie is a holdout and wants out, it will be also a bit easier. I am not saying he's free, but it won't be that hard, and he's NOT OLD. A player like Comrie can sell a few more seats.

Now, let's look into another player. Simon Gagne is not playing well with Hitchcock's system. I am sure Mario would love a player like Gagne on the team and Phily would need a good player like Straka in return.

Now, please note!
I am not saying these things could happen.
But these 2 players are young and could explode with the Pens.
Both are not that expensive and if we trade Straka, we can afford them. Let's face it, Philadelphia will get desperate for a good forward soon because of LeClair's injury and Gagne's lack of production.

Can anyone find the salarie of Gagne and can anyone find out what Comrie wants?

Now with these 2, with possibly Ryan Whitney next year, maybe Welch and hopefully the breakout of one of Beech, Sivek, Koltsov or possibly Bartschi or Stone, we can have a good young team on our hands with also Fleury in nets.

This is not impossible. If I was CP, I would try to make this happen.
One of my friends (Oilers fan) would love Lupaschuk on the Oilers because he's an offensive oriented player. Obviously it will cost us at least another prospect/player. As for Gagne, a Straka + another player (hopefully they are interested McKenna or Holzinger or Bradley) would look nice, but I just don't know.

Anyone would like to predict the lines with all these changes. It will look very nice.

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10-27-2003, 12:12 PM
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Trading for Comrie will not be that hard. Actually, we have seen how Lowe trades. Now that Comrie is a holdout and wants out, it will be also a bit easier. I am not saying he's free, but it won't be that hard, and he's NOT OLD. A player like Comrie can sell a few more seats.

Now, let's look into another player. Simon Gagne is not playing well with Hitchcock's system. I am sure Mario would love a player like Gagne on the team and Phily would need a good player like Straka in return.

Now, please note!
I am not saying these things could happen.
But these 2 players are young and could explode with the Pens.
Both are not that expensive and if we trade Straka, we can afford them. Let's face it, Philadelphia will get desperate for a good forward soon because of LeClair's injury and Gagne's lack of production.

Can anyone find the salarie of Gagne and can anyone find out what Comrie wants?


This is not impossible. If I was CP, I would try to make this happen.
One of my friends (Oilers fan) would love Lupaschuk on the Oilers because he's an offensive oriented player. Obviously it will cost us at least another prospect/player. As for Gagne, a Straka + another player (hopefully they are interested McKenna or Holzinger or Bradley) would look nice, but I just don't know.

Anyone would like to predict the lines with all these changes. It will look very nice.
gagne makes 2.6M, very affordable for his talent. comrie i her is asking for about 2.5M+ base, but over 2Min bonuses i beleive.

i'd take gagne over comrie though,e specially at those prices. however, i just dont see Philly giving up Gagne at all. williams maybe, but not gagne.

also, if we send another player, i think it would be a prospect, or, at the very least Webb who Clark is really mad we took.

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gagne makes 2.6M, very affordable for his talent. comrie i her is asking for about 2.5M+ base, but over 2Min bonuses i beleive.

i'd take gagne over comrie though,e specially at those prices. however, i just dont see Philly giving up Gagne at all. williams maybe, but not gagne.

also, if we send another player, i think it would be a prospect, or, at the very least Webb who Clark is really mad we took.

Maybe we can use Webb as the final peace of the package
I am not saying Straka = Gagne.
But face it, when a team is desperate, they do anything.
Look what the Flyers did 2 seasons ago with the Oates trade.
The traded Ouellet+1st+2nd+3rd (something like that) for Oates+2nd.
Do you guys that's fair value for a player who then barely did anything in Philadelphia? I am not saying it will happen, but it's a discussion board, let's speculate...

If you combine both Gagne's and Comrie's contract, it's the equivalent of Straka + Webb around...
And both of those player deserve that kind of money in today's market because of their talent.

Raider Zero, Gagne is better then Comrie, but Comrie is a work-horse every game. He is consistent and that's what I love about him the most. His talent is very nice too. Do you imagine our team next year with Gagne, Comrie, Whitney, Welch added?

We all know how Clarke sometimes gives up on players. Wasn't Zubrus (another interesting and affordable option at the moment) very high on the Flyers back then?
Wasn't he traded for Recchi????
My point stands.
I am still insisting that I am not proposing a Straka for Gagne deal but Straka + something for Gagne.

Plus, if we trade Kraft in one of these trades, that's -1 Million $ in contract as well.

Affordable solutions.

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I would do everything in my power to get back Ian Moran.
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I would do everything in my power to get back Ian Moran.
Just so long as no one says that about Hans Jonsson. Joking or not.

 
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Just so long as no one says that about Hans Jonsson. Joking or not.
I would rather have Jonsson then Moran.
We should make a poll.

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Man - this is great! We can trade Aubin and Holzinger amongst others, negate some of the contract and add a Gagne or Comrie for nothing!! Is this fantastic or what??

Now seriously, can we please go to 30000 feet and look at the bigger picture and see how remarkably difficult this would be. Let's all practice some key phrases first. "Balanced budget." "Fiscal responsibility." "Cost management." "Due diligence."

(Let's leave it to the professionals thank you.)

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no one is suggetsing that this will happen, only that its possible. i think the + for the gagne for straka + wouldnt be some 3rd line checker, but more of a legitimate prospect. besides, clark has done some stupuid trades in the past.

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no one is suggetsing that this will happen, only that its possible. i think the + for the gagne for straka + wouldnt be some 3rd line checker, but more of a legitimate prospect. besides, clark has done some stupuid trades in the past.

Recchi for Zubrus + ...
and
Oates for Ouellet + 1st + 2nd + 3rd

are in the same category as Straka for Gagne.
Now I did say that it will take Straka + somebody for Gagne.

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Now seriously, can we please go to 30000 feet and look at the bigger picture and see how remarkably difficult this would be. Let's all practice some key phrases first. "Balanced budget." "Fiscal responsibility." "Cost management." "Due diligence."
Straka's contract is about 4.5 mil.
Gagne's contract is about 2.6 mil.
Comrie is requesting around 2.5-3 mil.

Do the math.
4.5 - 2.6 - 3 = -
1.1 million in added salary

Now if we trade players like Kraft (around 1 million), trade/release Aubin (750k), Holzinger (1 million), Bradley, McKenna...
We can afford them.
I am not suggesting to go after Jagr or Kovalev...
I am talking about young talents that are affordable if we trade Straka...

I am not saying that this is going to happen.
I am just proposing some ideas.

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when you release someone you pay a 2/3 buyout. also, edmonton wont be taking ona dditional salary.

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I am really high on Gagne, but there is no way philly trades him anytime soon, IMO.

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Okaaaaaay. What does that have to do with this thread? It was just for fun, dude.
People think that the only thing keeping this team from winning are some slightly altered line combinations.

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10-27-2003, 07:06 PM
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when you release someone you pay a 2/3 buyout. also, edmonton wont be taking ona dditional salary.

I never said Edmonton would be adding salary.
My friend (Oilers' fanatic) could be wrong, but he expects the Oilers to ask for prospects or soon-to-be-breakout-players (type Dvorak-Isbister-Cross).

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