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you're forgetting one very important thing: button was/is a complete buffoon... for proof, look at how much a quality NHL brain (sutter) has improved the team in just one year. i guarantee that sutter would have got more for savard than Zainullin.
not that Lowe is a genius by any stretch but one thing is certain, he will let comrie rot - indefinitely - if that's what it takes. he's an incredibly stubborn SOB.
he also has the complete backing of ownership. If they don't win another game this year, lowe will still be GM.
Lanny, try as you might, you will never convince anyone to use button trades as comparables for other players. Your GM sucked, and the one before him was worse. Live with it.
The fact is that comrie led the oilers in +/- in his first full year. He scored 33 goals which was good for 7th among centers that year. That was his FIRST full year. Last year, he was on pace to better that before he broke his arm.
The other Sabres / Oilers thread involving Comrie was much more realistic. Roy, Dumont, Connolly for Comrie? Nah thanks. As a Sabres fan, I'm obviously jaded about Connolly, but I'd much rather hang on to him and cash in on his potential. It is there and I still feel it'll come through. Roy is all the buzz in town. Dumont, well... at least he scored a nice goal friday .
Sure Comrie is better than any of those three, but he isn't worth all three given his situation. Certainly not worth it to the Sabres.
he also has the complete backing of ownership. If they don't win another game this year, lowe will still be GM.
Lanny, try as you might, you will never convince anyone to use button trades as comparables for other players. Your GM sucked, and the one before him was worse. Live with it.
The fact is that comrie led the oilers in +/- in his first full year. He scored 33 goals which was good for 7th among centers that year. That was his FIRST full year. Last year, he was on pace to better that before he broke his arm.
Compounded by the fact his agent makes a fuss in the media, I'm inclinded to agree with Lenny -- either Comrie sits along while before they move him, or EDM fans are going to be disappointed in the return...
You would think the player/agent would know that demanding a trade publicly (though we've heard rumours for the last 7 mnths or so) generally means you'll actually be traded more slowly...
yes, and we were ridiculed b/c Comrie is amazingly better than than Savard, remember
This is confusing. Your statement suggests that a deal has been done, and Lowe received a small return for Comrie. As in "fact." As in "done deal." Hence the sarcasm ( ) , one guesses.
As of now, that has not occured.
Only speculation (as is anyone's opinion at this point), but despite the fact that Lowe is in a somewhat compromised trading position, feeling here is that Comrie will eventually fetch more than Savard did.
he also has the complete backing of ownership. If they don't win another game this year, lowe will still be GM.
Lanny, try as you might, you will never convince anyone to use button trades as comparables for other players. Your GM sucked, and the one before him was worse. Live with it.
The fact is that comrie led the oilers in +/- in his first full year. He scored 33 goals which was good for 7th among centers that year. That was his FIRST full year. Last year, he was on pace to better that before he broke his arm.
I say he'll sit along time before Lowe get what "oiler fans" think he's worth,I also think the owners will start freaking if they continue to lose games in the manner of which they are right now...they suck! so i guess we'll see if Lowe really has all the control.
I agree that Button was an idiot in the trade of savard but there was a little difference...Savard was being paid 1.6 mil sitting in Gilberts(hitlers) doghouse.
I say he'll sit along time before Lowe get what "oiler fans" think he's worth,I also think the owners will start freaking if they continue to lose games in the manner of which they are right now...they suck! so i guess we'll see if Lowe really has all the control.
I agree that Button was an idiot in the trade of savard but there was a little difference...Savard was being paid 1.6 mil sitting in Gilberts(hitlers) doghouse.
The owners can freak, but if the offers aren't there, they aren't there.
If Comrie's value has dropped as low as many here are now speculating, then there's just no point moving him this season at all. The fans might not be happy about watching a losing team, but trading Comrie for minimal return won't change the losing part and it'll make the fans even less happy.
Anyone surprised? He has never shown an ounce of loyalty in his life. He's all about the green.
Whether it's now or later, he is absolutely DESTINED to play for the Rangers. Good luck, Mike.
There is absoloutly no point the Oilers trading Comrie & getting a return like the return Calgary got for Savard (nothing,or close to it).
People seem to forget that Gilbert reduced his value by not playing him enough or in positions where he would flourish & by publically denigrating him. This went on during the whole of those two relationship in Calgary. For that & that alone Gilbert should have been canned (by that I mean reducing an assets value to the extent he did). For the life of me, I cannot believe Butthead allowed that to occur.
The situations nor the players & their background are nothing similar.
I say he'll sit along time before Lowe get what "oiler fans" think he's worth,I also think the owners will start freaking if they continue to lose games in the manner of which they are right now...they suck! so i guess we'll see if Lowe really has all the control.
I agree that Button was an idiot in the trade of savard but there was a little difference...Savard was being paid 1.6 mil sitting in Gilberts(hitlers) doghouse.
There is absoloutly no point the Oilers trading Comrie & getting a return like the return Calgary got for Savard (nothing,or close to it).
People seem to forget that Gilbert reduced his value by not playing him enough or in positions where he would flourish & by publically denigrating him. This went on during the whole of those two relationship in Calgary. For that & that alone Gilbert should have been canned (by that I mean reducing an assets value to the extent he did). For the life of me, I cannot believe Butthead allowed that to occur.
The situations nor the players & their background are nothing simila
The owners can freak, but if the offers aren't there, they aren't there.
If Comrie's value has dropped as low as many here are now speculating, then there's just no point moving him this season at all. The fans might not be happy about watching a losing team, but trading Comrie for minimal return won't change the losing part and it'll make the fans even less happy.
There is absoloutly no point the Oilers trading Comrie & getting a return like the return Calgary got for Savard (nothing,or close to it).
People seem to forget that Gilbert reduced his value by not playing him enough or in positions where he would flourish & by publically denigrating him. This went on during the whole of those two relationship in Calgary. For that & that alone Gilbert should have been canned (by that I mean reducing an assets value to the extent he did). For the life of me, I cannot believe Butthead allowed that to occur.
The situations nor the players & their background are nothing similar.
Hannan was sharkies best and most consistent blueliner last year. His skills are also underated since the sharks go with stuart and rathje from the point (and until recently Jillson too) He has good size and wheels too.
Sharks won't trade him. Also I don't see ricci really helping the Oil too much. He is more of a checker shutdown the oppposition type player.
Fahey on the other hand is much more of a PPqb, and could quite likely be had for the right offer.
The sharks could probably use a nice winger
Fahey for ... Moreau ? Rita ? Chimera ? Pisani ?
This is confusing. Your statement suggests that a deal has been done, and Lowe received a small return for Comrie. As in "fact." As in "done deal." Hence the sarcasm ( ) , one guesses.
As of now, that has not occured.
Only speculation (as is anyone's opinion at this point), but despite the fact that Lowe is in a somewhat compromised trading position, feeling here is that Comrie will eventually fetch more than Savard did.
Only time will tell.
I had said previously that Comrie would likely fetch more than Savard, BUT that the two players, and their return, were a reasonable comparison.
Surely, the comments that there is a 0% chance of his return, can't indicate to you, or anyother reasonable observer, that this is less-likely now.
It is not a done deal, but rather, I think, a reasonable assumption. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but even in the trade proposal threads on the forum, you can see the expectations of people have lowered as far as fair return.
I could be wrong, and Comrie might land you the top defender you're looking for, but I doubt it. And even the people that were laughing at the Savard comparison before, have to admit the trend is toward this direction.
If Comrie would get very little in return, then the Oilers have no reason to trade him at this time. Instead let him sit 1 month, 2, 6 months, 1 year, 2 years, until his contract demands become reasonable, and his trade value returns to what it should be. Ignore demands to be traded etc. If another team signs the RFA to a big dollar contract, albeit unlikely, then take the five first round draft picks.
If Comrie would get very little in return, then the Oilers have no reason to trade him at this time. Instead let him sit 1 month, 2, 6 months, 1 year, 2 years, until his contract demands become reasonable, and his trade value returns to what it should be. Ignore demands to be traded etc. If another team signs the RFA to a big dollar contract, albeit unlikely, then take the five first round draft picks.
Of course, you do run the risk that Comrie becomes a UFA under the next CBA.
I'd look at this offer as good for the Oil and at the same time it would give the Canes an impressive 1-2 punch with Comrie and Staal at center. I'd rather Vrbata and Cole but i don't see the Canes parting with Cole anytime soon.What do you guys think?One thing the Oil have been missing since Guerin left was a trigger man and Vrbata has all the potential to be just that type of player.Comrie has scored nearly the same amount of points in his career as the other two have combined.
Comrie : GP 192,G 61,A 72,PTS 133
Vrbata : GP 128,G 34,A 31,PTS 65
Vasicek : GP 211,G 32,A 40,PTS 72
Like i said above,i'd rather Cole and Vrbata but the Canes wouldn't go for that would they?What if the Oil throw in a prospect?Rita?He is obviously not going to get a chance in Edmonton.
comrie for vasicek straight up is closer - still unlikely from the canes point of view although still very good as far as i'm concerned.
personally, i want "Grumpy Smurf" off the oilers sooner rather than later. even if this may not be "fair" for some people (comrie is a 23 year old 30 goal man, blah blah blah) i think vasicek would be a great fit on the oilers.
however, it's more likely the oilers would have to add something with comrie in order to get vasicek out of carolina. maybe comrie + chimera for vasicek + 3rd? i'd even do that to make the hometown hobbit go away.
comrie for vasicek straight up is closer - still unlikely from the canes point of view although still very good as far as i'm concerned.
personally, i want "Grumpy Smurf" off the oilers sooner rather than later. even if this may not be "fair" for some people (comrie is a 23 year old 30 goal man, blah blah blah) i think vasicek would be a great fit on the oilers.
however, it's more likely the oilers would have to add something with comrie in order to get vasicek out of carolina. maybe comrie + chimera for vasicek + 3rd? i'd even do that to make the hometown hobbit go away.
I don't understand why the Oilers would be adding more? What has Vasicek ever done? Comrie is a 60 point player and is probably going to sit in the 70-75 point range most years. If they have to add a little to get Vrbata,that's fine but not just for Vasicek. I'd say Comrie is a "tad" more valuable than good ol' Bates Battaglia!!!!!
I cannot see Carolina touching this deal whatsoever.
Agreed. While he has not accomplished as much, if you ask me, Vrbata has similar offensive potential to Comrie, and just because Colorado overpaid to get Battaglia, it doesn't mean Vrbata is any less valuable.
I think it's a decent offer, but I think Carolina could use those two assets better. That being said, if the Oilers were offered this deal, they should take it and run. Hemsky and Vrbata would be a great combo.
I don't understand why the Oilers would be adding more? What has Vasicek ever done? Comrie is a 60 point player and is probably going to sit in the 70-75 point range most years. If they have to add a little to get Vrbata,that's fine but not just for Vasicek. I'd say Comrie is a "tad" more valuable than good ol' Bates Battaglia!!!!!
in a world of raw statistics (like EASports) you're right.
in the real world, comrie is an immature walking ego who has no idea what the defensive side of the blueline looks like. add to that the fact that the oilers are not dealing from a position of strength with him (hold out, pouting) and you can be assured that they will have to take a loss on him. certainly lowe will let him rot until he gets a "good" deal but there is no way the oilers are coming out on top in any comrie trade.
so any young player who can step into the lineup now - and who has some untapped potential - is a good return for comrie. as an oiler fan i'm not happy about it but i've come to accept the inevitability of the situation.
I don't think there is any question that Comrie's value, despite his trouble signing a contract, is significantly higher than Vasicek.. I don't even think the Canes would think for a second if K-Lowe made the 1for1 offer, they'd jump all over it! Comrie + Chimera for Vasicek + 3rd isn't even remotely close IMO.. Vasicek hasn't even cracked 31 points yet in the NHL! I'd honestly have to consider long and hard about even moving Chimera for Vasicek.. he's only a year older and hasn't really been outplayed by Vasicek yet at the NHL level. From what I've seen thus far, the number one thing going for Vasicek is that he's 6'4..
