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03-17-2006, 09:44 AM
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I've said it at least 100 times for the past 3 or 4 years, Francis Bouillon wouldn't be in the NHL if it weren't for the Habs...

Only in Montreal could this guy be playing regularly, as I predicted after his great start this year, he's wearing down and has been consistenly so for the past 2 or 3 months, people love the hits, but don't realize how much of a liability this guy is on a game to game basis.

As a reserve #7 d-man, he's perfect, but he has no business playing regularly in a top 6...and especially not on the PK.

I can't wait until we don't have to put up with dressing waiver wire material guys like this on a game to game basis.

I know alot of people have hard *** for Bouillon, but let's be real here.

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One of the reasons that the Habs get hemmed into their own end is because our defensemen are losing the battles in the corners and behind the nets. Guys like Dandenault, Bouillon and Streit are never going to consistently out-muscle opposing forwards for the puck.

To tell you the truth, I would sooner have Cote as our 6th defenseman than Bouillon. He simply isn't big enough to play the role of a defensive specialist and he isn't effective as an offensive defenseman. When you pair him with Dandenault it is asking for trouble. Cote would be much better suited to that position.

As for Streit, I really like his offensive potential. He reads opportunities well and is more creative than most of our defensemen. Unfortunately I don't think he is quite strong enough to handle the defensive aspects of the game. He needs to play with a really strong defensive partner and I don't see one of those wearing a Habs uniform right now.

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03-17-2006, 10:13 AM
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When Markov first came to Montreal people said he wasn't strong enough defensively, but they loved his offensive potential. People thought he wasn't big and strong enough. Everyone would agree that the biggest improvement in Markov's game, has been his defensive zone coverage. Markov is listed at 6'0" 203, and Streit is listed at 5'11" 198. Not a very big physical difference. I believe European defensemen take time to develop, especially their defensive zone coverage. Streit has potential. Don't give up now.

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Are you guys saying that our defense yesterday was brutal because of Bouillon and Streit? I mean, Rivet finishes the night at -3!! It's not just one guy's affair, the Canes outplayed us. Our offense was pretty bad caused turnovers, gave the puck to opponents and imo it's what cost us the game.. Ryder couldn't control the puck one second yesterday, Koivu can't do anything good on the ice right now and it seems like the only good shots we can take are the ones from the blue line...

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When Markov first came to Montreal people said he wasn't strong enough defensively, but they loved his offensive potential. People thought he wasn't big and strong enough. Everyone would agree that the biggest improvement in Markov's game, has been his defensive zone coverage. Markov is listed at 6'0" 203, and Streit is listed at 5'11" 198. Not a very big physical difference. I believe European defensemen take time to develop, especially their defensive zone coverage. Streit has potential. Don't give up now.
Markov had won the best player in the RSL and the twice the best defensemen in the RSL despite having been at that position only for 3/4 years and being 21 and 22 years old. He was pretty much the best player outside NA so dont compare Streit to him, its not fair at all.

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Markov had won the best player in the RSL and the twice the best defensemen in the RSL despite having been at that position only for 3/4 years and being 21 and 22 years old. He was pretty much the best player outside NA so dont compare Streit to him, its not fair at all.
I agree. Streit's upside is much lower. But don't you agree that their problems are similar at the same stage of their NHL careers?

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Streit could be good. The only reason why he's not so far is because he does not play regularly. How d'you want a 27 years old guy to adapt a completly new style of play when only playing 10 minutes per game, when playing at all?

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The defense has to be rebuilt if le Canadien is to become a force in the NHL. If Gainey cannot find upgrades in trades or in free agents signings, then I pray that one or more of the unproven prospects (O'Byrne, Emelin, Korpikari) blossoms unexpectedly at the next training camp. Otherwise we can expect to see more of what we've seen this season. The Habs are currently the eighth best team in the East. At the same time, by simple arithmetic they're also the eighth worst team in the East. They're at the fulcrum of a seesaw and can tip either way with the application of the slightest force. In the playoffs? Out of the playoffs? This can be nerveracking for us fans.
Great post.

I think the right side is not bad, with Dandy, Komi and Rivet. Although, the left side needs to replace Boullion and Souray. They are both major defensive liabilites. Boullion is simply too small, and Souray is simply too sloppy.

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Great post.

I think the right side is not bad, with Dandy, Komi and Rivet. Although, the left side needs to replace Boullion and Souray. They are both major defensive liabilites. Boullion is simply too small, and Souray is simply too sloppy.
I disagree. Souray is top 4 on any NHL team. I believe we are 1 top pairing defenseman away from having a very solid group.

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Bouillon always wears down towards the end of the season, that's nothing new.

The problem is, Markov is injured, and lesser d-men (such as Bouillon and Dandenault AND Streit) are getting too much icetime. And our Powerplay downright sucks.

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I've said it at least 100 times for the past 3 or 4 years, Francis Bouillon wouldn't be in the NHL if it weren't for the Habs...

Only in Montreal could this guy be playing regularly, as I predicted after his great start this year, he's wearing down and has been consistenly so for the past 2 or 3 months, people love the hits, but don't realize how much of a liability this guy is on a game to game basis.

As a reserve #7 d-man, he's perfect, but he has no business playing regularly in a top 6...and especially not on the PK.

I can't wait until we don't have to put up with dressing waiver wire material guys like this on a game to game basis.

I know alot of people have hard *** for Bouillon, but let's be real here.
Bouillon has played better than Streit and Dandy (and Komi until a couple months or so). He has his place on this team.

As a #6, i think Bouillon is a good fit. He's given us a good honest year of hard work and dedication, that has to count for something.

Now if the Habs upgrade this summer with guys like Mitchell or Carney, then yes put Bouillon as a reserve #7 but as it stands now, im truly glad hes here for us.

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Bouillon has played better than Streit and Dandy (and Komi until a couple months or so). He has his place on this team.
As a #6, i think Bouillon is a good fit. He's given us a good honest year of hard work and dedication, that has to count for something.

Now if the Habs upgrade this summer with guys like Mitchell or Carney, then yes put Bouillon as a reserve #7 but as it stands now, im truly glad hes here for us.
Streit hasn't played enough to judge him againist Bouillon, and Dandenault has been better than Bouillon the last 2 months, Bouillon has slowed down considerably for the past 3 months...

People love the underdog role that Bouillon has, and I agree, it's a great story, but come on

I thin upgrading on Bouillon will help solidy the rest of our defensman, which would make the acquisition of another top pairing d-man less crucial, especially if Komisarek can keep improving

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03-17-2006, 11:47 AM
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Streit hasn't played enough to judge him againist Bouillon, and Dandenault has been better than Bouillon the last 2 months, Bouillon has slowed down considerably for the past 3 months...

People love the underdog role that Bouillon has, and I agree, it's a great story, but come on

I thin upgrading on Bouillon will help solidy the rest of our defensman, which would make the acquisition of another top pairing d-man less crucial, especially if Komisarek can keep improving
Ok. But do you really believe that Komi is ready to take on the top pairing role full time? If not him, then who?

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Ok. But do you really believe that Komi is ready to take on the top pairing role full time? If not him, then who?
I could live with a Komisarek-Markov and Rivet-Souray top 4...especially if Dandenault is paired with a guy like Filip Kuba (just an example) on the 3rd pairing.

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I think they both suck personally and the fact they both have to play explains our problems.

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I think they both suck personally and the fact they both have to play explains our problems.
In the end, that's indeed what it comes down too.

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These guys are in the NHL? I'm honestly speechless.
You don't have any creibility soince you got Steven Seagull as Avatar. I agree about Streit but Bouillon is a hell of a player, I would rather have 3 clones of bouillon than have Sourray & Dandy. Of course, if you take the latest game of the habs, you have to take in consideration that bouillon has an injured hand since the game against philly last week.

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You don't have any creibility soince you got Steven Seagull as Avatar. I agree about Streit but Bouillon is a hell of a player, I would rather have 3 clones of bouillon than have Sourray & Dandy. Of course, if you take the latest game of the habs, you have to take in consideration that bouillon has an injured hand since the game against philly last week.
That's ridiculous...both Souray and Dandenault are miles ahead in terms of being an NHL caliber defensman.

When will people ever realize that Bouillon is a waiver wire material player, he's not a hell of a player, unless that means he's not very good. We'll never be taken seriously with him in our lineup for 18mins a game, never.

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I knew it was time to end the Bouillon experiment when I saw Steve Martins completely overpower Bouillon down low to prevent Huet of a shutout vs. the Sens this year.

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I could live with a Komisarek-Markov and Rivet-Souray top 4...especially if Dandenault is paired with a guy like Filip Kuba (just an example) on the 3rd pairing.
If we want to be a top 4 team in the conference, that simply is not good enough. We need to get another top pairing guy.

Markov-??????
Souray-Rivet
Komi-Dandy

Bouillon #7
Streit #8

All of a sudden we have quality AND depth.

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If we want to be a top 4 team in the conference, that simply is not good enough. We need to get another top pairing guy.

Markov-??????
Souray-Rivet
Komi-Dandy

Bouillon #7
Streit #8

All of a sudden we have quality AND depth.
You can't play Komisarek and Dandenault together...two right handed defesnman don't work...

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I've said it at least 100 times for the past 3 or 4 years, Francis Bouillon wouldn't be in the NHL if it weren't for the Habs...

Only in Montreal could this guy be playing regularly, as I predicted after his great start this year, he's wearing down and has been consistenly so for the past 2 or 3 months, people love the hits, but don't realize how much of a liability this guy is on a game to game basis.

As a reserve #7 d-man, he's perfect, but he has no business playing regularly in a top 6...and especially not on the PK.

I can't wait until we don't have to put up with dressing waiver wire material guys like this on a game to game basis.

I know alot of people have hard *** for Bouillon, but let's be real here.
I pretty much agree.

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You can't play Komisarek and Dandenault together...two right handed defesnman don't work...
You're right
But I still believe that any combination of those 5, plus a top pairing guy, will make our defense competetive.

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I knew it was time to end the Bouillon experiment when I saw Steve Martins completely overpower Bouillon down low to prevent Huet of a shutout vs. the Sens this year.
Ok, you are saying Bouillon got overpowered by a 5'9, 185 pounds.. great... so Martins must have been be pretty tough that night because Bouillon normally neutralizes Jagr quite well when we play NY. Plus, he rarely gets fooled defensively, takes the body, hits hard and often helps the offense. Even if he is just 5'8, he adds a lot of toughness to our blueline.

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Ok, you are saying Bouillon got overpowered by a 5'9, 185 pounds.. great... so Martins must have been be pretty tough that night because Bouillon normally neutralizes Jagr quite well when we play NY. Plus, he rarely gets fooled defensively, takes the body, hits hard and often helps the offense. Even if he is just 5'8, he adds a lot of toughness to our blueline.
You're kidding me right? Please tell me your joking?

Bouillon neutralizes Jagr quite well? anytime i've watched the Habs play the Rangers and Bouillon is on the ice with Jagr, all i see is Jagr toying with Bouillon, he tries to use his low center of gravity but he just bounces off Jagr.

Come on, there are very few defensman in the league who can handle Jagr, let alone neutralize him.

Bouillon does do a few things well, and that's playing 1 on 1, he's very hard to get by and isn't easily fooled, he's also very good at blocking shots. However, he struggles in everything else, down low coverage, positionning, clearing the puck out of the zone, decision making, 1st pass, etc...

he's barely, an NHL defensman, barely

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