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05-10-2017, 09:18 AM
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He thinks we lack 3rd and 4th line scoring...
I can totally see Plekanec being picked up by Vegas so Bergevin goes with Shaw at centre and signs Ribeiro to a PTO.

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It's not a secret that our main weakness is our center line?

Apart front UFA (thin crop), we are our options?

I think it can be interesting to track a list of potential available center and also a list of potential asset we could trade.

NOT A TRADE PROPOSAL but simply to build a list we can refer in order to see our possibilities.

We need to be realistic in the sense that most number 1 center are not available or have a non trade list. Tavares is probably not moving!

Therefore no miracle can happens!

Carey Price, Max Pac, Weber and Sergachev are probably not moving

I will start :

Center available or center the opposing team may be willing to trade:

1-Matt Duchene : Colorado : on trade market
2-Ryan Nugent-Hopkins : Edmonton : with McDavid and Draisaitl, RHN is expensive to play on the third line!
3-Sean Couturier : Philly : Giroux is their #1 and they also have Schenn and maybe Konecky that can play center.
4- Sam Reinhardt : Buffalo : Eichel is #1. Ennis, O'reilly can play center.
5-Sam Bennett : Sean Monahan is #1 and Backlund is #2. But Calgary will not trade him for cheap.

UFA: Thin crop. Hanzal and Sharp.

Asset to trade with value :
Alex Galchenyuk (regular top 6)
Brendan Gallagher (regular top 6)
Arturri Lehkonen (regular top 6)
Micheal McArron (minor)
Nikita Scherbak (minor)
Nathan Beaulieu (top 5-6-7 dmen) not a great value
Noah juulsen (junior )
Victor Mete. (Junior)
Z Fucale (minor - low value but can sweetened a deal)
1st round draft pick 2017
1st round 2018
2 second 2017
3 second 2018

Pleky = no value
Shaw = not moving
Petry = not moving
Danault = worth more as a habs
You've put a lot of time in this analysis. But the problem is that we don't have ALL of the information regarding who's available... and at what cost.

Any trade is also conditionnal to Carey Price future.

I kind of hope for a complete change of this team at this point, starting with trading Price and Pacioretty, tanking for seasons 17-18, 18-19, 19-20 and getting this team ready to pick Alexis Lafrenière in 2020.

The propect pipeline is empty. Just take a look at the teams who are having a shot for the Cup... and the ones coming. Each has key young players on its roster. Mostly around 26 years old.

Carey Price will still be super good for the next 3 or 4 seasons, and that's why it's a good moment to earn a maximum for him. Same for Pacioretty who could in fact bring even more to this team because of his ridiculous contract. I would only keep Sergachev and Galchenyuk, who could both be solid building blocks to build around.

That said, we'll need a new management team to build that prospects pipeline.

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05-10-2017, 09:46 AM
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One option is to tank next year, get a top 3 pick, draft a centre, play him as a 3rd line winger for 5 years.

He should be ready to play C by year 6, right?

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Go get at least a Kyle Turris. Go get Bryan Little.

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Clearly a rebuild or retool cannot happen competently with Bergevin in the driver's seat, and he's not going anywhere.
To think that with all the revenues the Habs generate, they're not even able to hire the best scouting and development people, especially that paying for the best in these areas is not a cap costing expense. They should go out there and buy the best and pay them more than any other organization.

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Massive offersheet for Draisatl. I doubt he would sign it anyway as I don't see Edmonton having a problem giving him a decent contract.

Shame we might have been able to have him + for Subban. What a player.

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Massive offersheet for Draisatl. I doubt he would sign it anyway as I don't see Edmonton having a problem giving him a decent contract.

Shame we might have been able to have him + for Subban. What a player.
I think it will get done before July 1st or they'll apply for arbitration to block offer sheets. They won't screw themselves.

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I like Sam Reinhart.

This guy is a solid right shooting two way center.

I would trade Max Pacioretty for him.

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IMHO, MB will only make offersheet to direct competitor like TB, Florida, Boston, Buffalo, Toronto, Detroit, because he won't trade with them anyway.

Especially TB since they're (normally) competitive and are in a precarious situation in regard to the salary cap.

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I like Sam Reinhart.

This guy is a solid right shooting two way center.

I would trade Max Pacioretty for him.
I think i would do it as well. He comes from a NHL family, seems to have a good head on his shoulder and he is very competitive.

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05-10-2017, 07:12 PM
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I think it will get done before July 1st or they'll apply for arbitration to block offer sheets. They won't screw themselves.
Yep, you're probably right.

Bergevin will have to look elsewhere for a center. He better get one though, or else there is going to be hell to pay in Montreal lol

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Yep, you're probably right.

Bergevin will have to look elsewhere for a center. He better get one though, or else there is going to be hell to pay in Montreal lol
He's not gonna get one. He's gonna invest all he can into the defense and say that his new innovative approach to have a D man center the top line is going to change the NHL

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Go get at least a Kyle Turris. Go get Bryan Little.
We will end up with Perreault.

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He's not gonna get one. He's gonna invest all he can into the defense and say that his new innovative approach to have a D man center the top line is going to change the NHL
I would say that is likely, yes. It's basicall all he's done the last 5 summers....

God is that ever horrible. I read on The Fourth Period (tabloid garbage, I know) that Bergevin is looking to upgrade his defense this year, and that defensive help is his top priority. I had a laughed out loud when I read that because I wouldn't expect anything less from Bergevin.

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I would say that is likely, yes. It's basicall all he's done the last 5 summers....

God is that ever horrible. I read on The Fourth Period (tabloid garbage, I know) that Bergevin is looking to upgrade his defense this year, and that defensive help is his top priority. I had a laughed out loud when I read that because I wouldn't expect anything less from Bergevin.
Oh that's what I expect him to do. Upgrade the bottom 6 and the bottom pairing.

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I would say that is likely, yes. It's basicall all he's done the last 5 summers....

God is that ever horrible. I read on The Fourth Period (tabloid garbage, I know) that Bergevin is looking to upgrade his defense this year, and that defensive help is his top priority. I had a laughed out loud when I read that because I wouldn't expect anything less from Bergevin.
To be fair we do need help in top 4 in the form of a PMD.(We also need help down the middle).

Markov should not be expected to play top minutes. He can in the rare game but at his age production should be a bonus, not expected.

A PMD is needed in top 4. I'd imagine Beaulieu may be on way out but who knows.

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Go get at least a Kyle Turris. Go get Bryan Little.
They aren't good enough to do anything meaningful. It's basically incremental improvement that doesn't get you to the end goal.

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05-10-2017, 07:40 PM
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Hire a competent GM... that obviously needs to be move #1

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just sign bonino for a year and see

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Hire a competent GM... that obviously needs to be move #1
The most important need of the organisation, get someone competent with no stipulations attached.

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One of Spezza seguin or Carter should be available. Get rid of Pleks contract and boom.

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Need a #1 centerman ?

Got One: Galchenyuk... if he really wants it !

Need a top-four PMD ?

Got one: Beaulieu... if he really wants it !

Problems solved.

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Man you have to stop already with all this prospect pool bs.

I don't want to be rude but you're uninformed or you didn't do your homework and just talk out of your derriere.

Boston got Pastrnak and Carlo since 2012 and there's nothing else there!

Flyers got Ghost, Provorov, and Konecny

Tampa got Paquette, Drouin, and Point

Not to mention that all those teams had better draft positions than we did.

And Leafs?Seriously? You want to compare our draft with a team that drafted in the top 5 three times in the last 5 years?

Leafs are actually terrible when it comes to draft and development!

Out of their top 5 picks and Nylander drafted 8th overall they have Conor freaking
Brown and nothing else!!!
Just because their prospects haven't played in the NHL yet doesn't mean they haven't got anything there. I'm not entirely familiar with who the non-Toronto teams have, but I do know a few names here and there that are very good prospects for those teams.

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05-10-2017, 10:58 PM
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First, dump overpaid guys like Pleks and Shaw to create cap space.

As for the center:

Galchenyuk and Beau. That's one way.

We can give up picks/prospects for a guy like Zetterberg and take on that bad contract and hope we get enough out of him over the next couple of years that we can win.
Who's going to pick up that Shawful contract?

Can you imagine how much the Habs would have to retain? Not to mention his concussions in the past season as an additional value depressor.

Yeah, who would ever reach out for Shaw? Only Bergevin.

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Oh that's what I expect him to do. Upgrade the bottom 6 and the bottom pairing.
That's actually several degrees worse than incompetent. Delusional and Habicidal work for me.

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