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05-10-2017, 11:03 PM
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Who's going to pick up that Shawful contract?

Can you imagine how much the Habs would have to retain? Not to mention his concussions in the past season as an additional value depressor.

Yeah, who would ever reach out for Shaw? Only Bergevin.
We all know that Shaw is going nowhere, ever.

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05-10-2017, 11:07 PM
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We all know that Shaw is going nowhere, ever.
Next summer he will go back to Chicago 50% retained.

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Tyler Bozak comes cheaper. I still want to take a shot at him. He would be our 2nd. This is a beginning but it dont solve the puzzle

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Next summer he will go back to Chicago 50% retained.
Is Bergevin selling his children also?

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By trading Price.

By trading Weber.

By tanking, selling, drafting, rebuilding and developping properly.
They need to do this stat.
The Leafs refused to do this for the longest time, and they were stuck in limbo.
Shanahan comes in and tanks, and boom, they're going to be contenders as soon as they get a solid d-corp.
They have the forwards.
They have a half decent goalie.
They have depth D.. but not the # 1 d-man.. As soon as they get that, they're set.

The Habs have a super star goalie (who wasn't a superstar this year).
They have weak forwards.
They have a weak d-corp.

They need to blow it up, and rebuild starting this year. Where Price & Weber still have value. Get rid of Pacioreretty as his contract has value.

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Tyler Bozak comes cheaper. I still want to take a shot at him. He would be our 2nd. This is a beginning but it dont solve the puzzle
They don't need a #3 centre.
They need a #1 centre.
Daneault is not a #1 centre.
Galchenyuk is not going to get a shot at #1 centre with CJ in town.

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05-11-2017, 08:44 AM
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They don't need a #3 centre.
They need a #1 centre.
Daneault is not a #1 centre.
Galchenyuk is not going to get a shot at #1 centre with CJ in town.
He will IF he is showing he really wants it and play accordingly.

Easier to acquire a #2 centerman like Little or RNH or Duchene, even freagin Hanzal. Danault can then play where he belongs, on a 3rd line.


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Free up cap space and mistake contracts (DD/Pleky). DD is gone and Pleky may be gone soon too. Our center problems are already fixed because the next guys will surely be better right?

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The Canadiens are not winning the cup with a #1 centreman.
They are not getting a #1 centre man without giving up major pieces.

There's absolutely no reason to keep Price in Montreal except for loyalty reasons.
MB needs to try to work out a deal to get a #1 centre man by putting Price out their on the trade market.

He obviously will not, and the Habs will stuck in no-mans land for another 25 years.

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Free up cap space and mistake contracts (DD/Pleky). DD is gone and Pleky may be gone soon too. Our center problems are already fixed because the next guys will surely be better right?
Have the Canadiens found a centre to replace Vincent Damphousse?

How did Pierre Turgeon work out? Was Saku Koivu truly a #1 centre man?

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The Canadiens are not winning the cup with a #1 centreman.
They are not getting a #1 centre man without giving up major pieces.

There's absolutely no reason to keep Price in Montreal except for loyalty reasons.
MB needs to try to work out a deal to get a #1 centre man by putting Price out their on the trade market.

He obviously will not, and the Habs will stuck in no-mans land for another 25 years.
MB already traded a fans favourite last season, he (unfortunately) won't trade another jersey seller this year !... Unless you got super great young asset(s).

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05-11-2017, 09:34 AM
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Target guys who are more attainable as targets...look for the type of trade the Sens did a few years ago when they got Kyle Turris.

Bjustad, Strome, Coyle, Nelson

Even a guy like Tyler Bozak is a player I'd look at trading for.

It's going to be next to impossible to swing for a big name (Tavares) and I think the cost associated with trading for another big name (Duchene) will come at the loss of our own top 6 players (i.e. Galchenyuk).

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Target guys who are more attainable as targets...look for the type of trade the Sens did a few years ago when they got Kyle Turris.

Bjustad, Strome, Coyle, Nelson

Even a guy like Tyler Bozak is a player I'd look at trading for.
Bozak is 31. If you are going after Bozak you might as well just tank and rebuild.

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He had his chance to get a #1` centre and he blew it trading PK in a panic move and getting an over the hill Weber with a huge contract that can't be moved.Get rid of Bergevin ,hire a prez and trade whatever we can.Play young up and coming players/prospects we acquire.With any luck we can then draft a future #1 centre .Otherwise we are going to be spinning our wheels for another 25 years.It's pretty obvious the plan we have had since 1993 is not working.

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PK could have landed him a #1 centre,

I like weber for sure, but......a centre is needed more,

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05-11-2017, 01:42 PM
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Bozak is 31. If you are going after Bozak you might as well just tank and rebuild.
why? because 31yrs old?

so what? He's been a productive player, has a reasonable contract that's expiring at the end of next season. He checks off a lot of boxes for the Habs

what's the problem?

The Habs need 2 top 6C's...it's going to be difficult to find one, never mind 2.

This is a good stop gap until the position can be filled on a more permanent basis.

We had Tomas Plekanec at 34yrs old who finished with 28pts playing in our top 6 this year. Tyler Bozak would a massive upgrade on that.

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PK could have landed him a #1 centre,

I like weber for sure, but......a centre is needed more,
Our defense is terrible WITH Weber, you think trading PK for a center would solve all our problem?

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Our defense is terrible WITH Weber, you think trading PK for a center would solve all our problem?
Trading PK for a package of a young center, another top 6 forward, and a pick would have been a lot better than only getting Weber.

At least we have 2 or 3 good defense prospects. What do we have for top 6 prospects? Hudon, who might get claimed by Vegas, and Scherbak, Bitten maybe? That's horrible.

IMO in terms of organizational needs, our needs up front massively outweigh our needs on the back end. That PK/Weber trade was stupid. It didn't address anything besides some arbitrary intangibles.

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Hudon, who might get claimed by Vegas
I can almost guarantee you that Vegas isn't taking a single guy who is mostly an AHLer.

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I can almost guarantee you that Vegas isn't taking a single guy who is mostly an AHLer.
No you can't, because you aren't the GM of LV. That is your opinion. There is nothing saying Vegas won't take prospects from other teams.

Also, you're selling Hudon a bit short by calling him 'mostly an AHLer'. He's produced with each of his NHL stints, and has been one of the most productive players in the AHL for a few seasons now. He's very much a prospect with NHL top 6 upside.

Believe it or not some GMs probably value that more than an overpaid Emelin and an overpaid Plekanec. Vegas will have the opportunity to take those dime a dozen 3rd line/3rd pairing players elsewhere, and will take on their share of bad contracts. What they won't be likely to find it a wealth of players with top 6 upside.

Besides, that had nothing to do with my general argument. Hudon or not, organizationally the Habs offense is terrible.

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Trading PK for a package of a young center, another top 6 forward, and a pick would have been a lot better than only getting Weber.

At least we have 2 or 3 good defense prospects. What do we have for top 6 prospects? Hudon, who might get claimed by Vegas, and Scherbak, Bitten maybe? That's horrible.

IMO in terms of organizational needs, our needs up front massively outweigh our needs on the back end. That PK/Weber trade was stupid. It didn't address anything besides some arbitrary intangibles.
Depend what the center, top 6 forward and pick ends up to be. If you end up with a Tyler Bozak, Martin Rucinsky and Jan Bulis it's a fail...

But hey, while we are speculating, I would just keep PK and draft Tyson Jost.

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Also, you're selling Hudon a bit short by calling him 'mostly an AHLer'.
6 NHL games.

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6 NHL games.
Darn! Better tell that to guys like Thomas Tatar who spent 4 seasons in the AHL with only 9 games of NHL experience in that time frame to hit the road and go back to the AHL.

Silly Tatar, didn't he know that he was only an AHLer? How'd he find his way up to the NHL for the past 5 seasons??? Someone must have screwed up in logistics!

I'm guessing you are unfirmilar with development? I mean, I wouldn't blame you considering you are a fan of the Habs, who have no clue what development even is. There's a difference between a prospect and an 'ahler' (in the context of your usage).

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Target guys who are more attainable as targets...look for the type of trade the Sens did a few years ago when they got Kyle Turris.

Bjustad, Strome, Coyle, Nelson

Even a guy like Tyler Bozak is a player I'd look at trading for.

It's going to be next to impossible to swing for a big name (Tavares) and I think the cost associated with trading for another big name (Duchene) will come at the loss of our own top 6 players (i.e. Galchenyuk).
Coyle doesn't play center.

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