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05-12-2017, 10:58 PM
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Pacioretty McDavid Simmonds (12)
Lucic Drai Gallager (17)
Caggiula Sobotka Kassian (6.5)
Khaira Letestu Slepyshev (4)


Klefbom Larsson (8)
Sekera Green (12
Emelin Benning (5)

Talbot
Brossoit (5.5)


Trades-

Puljujarvi for Simmonds
RNH, Eberle, Nurse for Pacioretty, Gallager, Emelin, 1st
Maroon for Sobotka
MTL 1st, Fayne, Lagesson/Niemalienen for Green

Vegas takes Pouliot

70M cap hit without extra roster players. 12M coming off the books in Emelin, Green, and Letestu for 2018. We'd really need to win a cup in the next two years to justify those moves. Flame away haters but I'd go all in.
I just have to say, I am glad you are not the GM.

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Sorry for my english...Do you think the oil have a place for FA Karl Alzner at def ?

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Sorry for my english...Do you think the oil have a place for FA Karl Alzner at def ?
My guess would be no. The Oilers already have a number of left-handed defencemen. If Alzner shot right he would probably be a perfect fit for the #4 spot.

I also think he will also be pretty overpaid and on the decline.

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Maroon mcdavid Oshie
Lucic draisaitl Simmonds
Cagguila nuge puljujarvi
Slepy letestu kassian

Larrson klefbom
Sekera benning
Nurse stone

Sign Oshie and stone for a combined 8mil
Trade eberle and a 2nd for Simmonds
Trade fayne and poo for cap space


Run as far away as possible from kovalchuck.

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05-13-2017, 11:34 AM
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Okay, so player evaluations to make this team better:

McDavid - superstar, obviously staying
Maroon - good character, pleasant win for us, no need to move
Cagguila - tenacious forechecking forward that earned spot with McDavid and helped get him the puck; I think he's done enough to earn another chance in top 9 next season
Draisaitl - damn he's good, no way we're moving him
Lucic - NMC, important to the team for many reasons, despite being signed too long, won't be moving
Slepyshev - wouldn't hold much value in a trade and showed he can step it up in the playoffs; if can play consistently could be good player for us, but still undetermined, but that chance is worth more to us than trading
RNH - no, he didn't score a goal in the playoffs, but he was working hard and making good plays both ends of the ice; if his linemates could finish he'd have had more success. He does have a large contract though and isn't perhaps good as the Toews hype that he started with
Eberle - he was bad in the playoffs, probably our worst player. He has skill obviously, but, perhaps, he just needs a change of scenary. I imagine with his offensive abilities there would be a fair bit of interest for his talents and we need a more consistent (and probably tougher) top 6 RW.
Pouliot - he's overpaid and has no value. He's fine as a 4th liner really, and that's likely what he'll be as I don't see anyone taking him.
Desharnais (UFA) - I Really loved his play and think bringing him back for a few years at around $1.5 would work for the bottom six.
Letestu - ultimate utility forward for TM, can't see him being moved, particularly with the playoff success
Kassian - important part of the playoff lineup. Kassian is what the new NHL goons need to be, play with an edge, but can still score a goal.
Pouliot, which would be a win. I'd deal Reinhart for a 2nd, which I believe he'd easily return, for that purpose
Puljujarvi - didn't spend most of the season with the Oilers, and didn't light it up in the AHL, could use more seasoning on the farm or perhaps even trade bait for the right player

So, I want to upgrade my RW, Ovechkin is potentially available. I'm making that happen if I'm Chia (certainly trying). I'll propose RNH, Eberle and our 2017 1st for Ovechkin (gotta be close I imagine).

On defense:
Klefbom - legit top pairing guy with a hell of a **** to boot
Larsson - ideal top pairing shut down dman. Worth Hall a million times over while still being a fan of Hall
Sekera - NMC and best offensive dman we have. We need another Sekera, not dealing him away
Russell - is UFA, wants back, was a good fit for us in the playoffs, free asset if re-signing and the devil you know
Nurse - seems to me someone that is really finding his game more and more and will be an important part of our defense long term
Benning - he was good, worked hard, through big hits, didn't make many mistakes. Good as a 6/7 and probably little trade value
Gryba - works as a 7, would have no trade value
Reinhart - some trade value, plus if we moved him, might force Vegas to take

So... I'd still like to improve that defense. I would keep Russell for 2 years $3.5 million per. And, as much as I like Nurse, we'd ideally be upgrading him for a more offensive threat, so I'm going to suggest expanding the Ovechkin trade, because, well it's already a fantasy, right?

Trades:
Ovechkin and Niskanen
for
Eberle, RNH, Nurse, EDM 2017 1st (or Pulju if required to make happen)

Reinhart
for
2nd

Vegas takes Pouliot (fings X)

Then sign Desharnais for $1.5 million, Brian Boyle for $2.5 million, and Daniel Winnik for $1.5 million.

Would Ryan Miller be ready to sign a backup role contract or does he still want starter money? Maybe Jonathan Bernier if he's not given a starting opportunity somewhere? I'll guess Bernier as backup to put someone there, but more likely a trade for some younger goalie.

Maroon-McDavid-Ovechkin
Lucic-Draisaitl-Caggiula
Slepyshev-Boyle-Kassian
Letestu-Desharnais-Winnik

Klefbom-Niskanen
Sekera-Larsson
Russell-Benning
Gryba

Talbot
Bernier

If Caggiula can't earn his top 6 spot, I'm sure Slepy, Kassian or Letestu would be chomping at the opportunity to swap spots.

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05-13-2017, 11:43 AM
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What would your ideal team be for next season based on realistic targets?

Line 1: Maroon - McDavid - Kovalchuk

Line 2: Lucic - Draisaitl - Puljujarvi

Line 3: RNH - Bonino - Kassian

Line 4: Khaira - Letestu - Slepyshev

D1: Klefbom - Larsson

D2: Sekera - Hamonic

D3: Nurse - Benning

G1: Talbot

G2: Brossoit

Extra's: Cagguila, Pitlick, 7th D (Gryba, Franson, or similar)

A lot of you might be wondering why we would go for Bonino. It's so we have stability at C. Shift Nuge over to LW. He can fill in on C for injuries, when someone gets kicked out of the faceoff circle, etc. Kovy is that sniper for the PP and Connors wing. Hamonic provides that right shot for the 2nd pair and Reggie finally has that D partner that makes him even more effective.
I'm much more curious how Caggulia ended up as an "extra"?

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Resign Russell at 3.1M for 2 years

Trade RNH+Nurse for Erik Johnson

Trade Pouliot+3rd for Cody Eakin

Sign Vanek 1 year 3M contract


Maroon-Mcdavid-Vanek
Lucic-Draisaitl-Eberle
Caggiula-Eakin-Kassian
Slepyshev-Letestu-Pakarainen


Klefbom-Larsson
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Reinhart

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05-13-2017, 12:21 PM
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I don't think we'll see much player movement this off season. We finihsed 2 points out of 1st in the division and we should have been in the Conference Final if the officials didn't cost us 2 games. I think we see Eberle get moved for a 2nd and a prospect, Reinhart get claimed and some small UFA signings.

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Lucic-RNH-JP
Cagiula-Bonino-Slepyshev
Pouliot-Letestu-Kassian

Klefbom-Larsson
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05-13-2017, 12:22 PM
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Resign Russell at 3.1M for 2 years

Trade RNH+Nurse for Erik Johnson

Trade Pouliot+3rd for Cody Eakin

Sign Vanek 1 year 3M contract


Maroon-Mcdavid-Vanek
Lucic-Draisaitl-Eberle
Caggiula-Eakin-Kassian
Slepyshev-Letestu-Pakarainen


Klefbom-Larsson
Sekera-Johnson
Russell-Benning
Reinhart

Talbot
We're going over the cap this year how could this possibly work? I don't want another huge contract on the back end it will have long term repercussions.

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05-13-2017, 12:30 PM
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We're going over the cap this year how could this possibly work? I don't want another huge contract on the back end it will have long term repercussions.
We're moving out as much money as we're bringing in for the most part. Ference is off the books, Hendricks of the books, Deharnais is gone, Fayne I think can be moved. We also had 4M in cap space this year but due to the LTIR not being applied against bonuses it shows us over. There was no long term contract brought in or signed beside Eakin who has 2 years after Pouliot. Johnson and RNH are a wash. We could also move out Eberle if need be, but I'm willing to give him a year to rebound as I don't feel like losing him as a cap dump. And as for long term contract on the backend, we're not paying nearly enough for our defence. We can easily afford Johnson at 6M per, and it gives us one of the deepest bluelines in the league.

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Your always so negative lol
His is at least realistic.

You people posting Kovy and Hamonic in our line up next season are completely out to lunch.

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The first step was to bring in players necessary to fill glaring holes and see what we have as a team. Seven games second round of playoffs. Check.

The next step is to clear out dead weight and see what we have coming up. Whale hunting not included.

Then add pieces and adjust to create perennial contender.

Trade RNH+ for top 10 pick in a weak draft. He would slide in nicely behind Horvat. Draft Tippett.

Eberle, Brossoit for Hamonic, Halak, Grabovski

If LV doesn't take Pouliot trade him for picks in next year's draft.

Bring up Jesse Puljujarvi (JP)
Sign Spencer Foo (SF)
Sign best European RW free agent available to sidestep bidding wars here. (EFA)
They would compete for essentially two positions and provide insurance against Pitlick's injuries.

Maroon McDavid JP/SF/EFA
Lucic Draisaitl JP/SF/EFA
Slepyshev Caggiula JP/SF/EFA/Kassian
Khaira Letestu Kassian/Pitlick

Klefbom Larsson
Sekera Hamonic
Nurse Benning

Talbot
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I don't see any big moves this offseason

So same line up but green or barrie for russell and Foo or euro free agent in 4th line spot

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Caggiula-McDavid-Draisatl
Lucic - RNH - Slepyshev
Maroon - Bonino - Wingels
King - Letestu - Kassian

Klefbom - Larsson
Sekera - Russell or Stone
Nurse - Benning

Talbot
Ellis/Brossoit

Pouliot will be bought out or gone in the expansion draft.
Eberle won't be here, but I don't know what we're going to get for him so no point in putting in a potential player return.

Realistic FA signings: Bonino, Wingels, Stone, King. Probably not all four, but think at least 3 out of the 4 could be realistic.

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The first step was to bring in players necessary to fill glaring holes and see what we have as a team. Seven games second round of playoffs. Check.

The next step is to clear out dead weight and see what we have coming up. Whale hunting not included.

Then add pieces and adjust to create perennial contender.

Trade RNH+ for top 10 pick in a weak draft. He would slide in nicely behind Horvat. Draft Tippett.

Eberle, Brossoit for Hamonic, Halak, Grabovski

If LV doesn't take Pouliot trade him for picks in next year's draft.

Bring up Jesse Puljujarvi (JP)
Sign Spencer Foo (SF)
Sign best European RW available to sidestep bidding wars here. (EFA)
They would compete for essentially two positions and provide insurance against Pitlick's injuries.

Maroon McDavid JP/SF/EFA
Lucic Draisaitl JP/SF/EFA
Slepyshev Caggiula JP/SF/EFA/Kassian
Khaira Letestu Kassian/Pitlick

Klefbom Larsson
Sekera Hamonic
Nurse Benning
Dennis Everberg worth a shot?

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Also watch for 1 of bear or Jones or even Mantha to challenge for a spot.

Remember how much of a long shot Benning was

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Here's what I'm thinking *cracks knuckles*

We need to have two forwards to expose for the entry draft. For the purposes of this, they'll be Pouliot and an extended Desharnais.
Protect Draisaitl, Eberle, RNH, Lucic, Maroon, Kassian, and Letestu.
Protect Larsson, Klefbom, Sekera, and Talbot.

Extend David Desharnais, 1 year, 1.75 million, then expose him.
Bribe Vegas with a 2018 2nd rounder to take Benoit Pouliot.
Buy out Mark Fayne.
Sign Leon Draisaitl, 8 years, 6.8 million per
Sign Connor McDavid, 8 years, 9.7 million per
Sign Zack Kassian, 3 years, 2 million per
Sign Eric Gryba, 1 year, 1 million
Sign Jordan Oesterle, 1 year, 900K
Sign Jujhar Khaira, 1 year, 900K
Sign Spencer Foo, 3 year ELC
Sign Tommy Wingels, 2 years, 1.75 million - had his best years under McLellan

Trade Jordan Eberle, Griffin Reinhart, a 2019 2nd, and our 2018 1st round pick to Vegas for Matt Dumba (MIN expansion pick) and Boone Jenner (CBJ expansion pick, they are so, SO screwed) - this trade is a lot to give up and stings, but I feel this fills the last of our holes.
Sign Patrick Sharp, 2 years, 4 Million per year

WE RIDE:

Patrick Maroon (1.5) Connor McDavid (3.4) Patrick Sharp (4)
Milan Lucic (6) Leon Draisaitl (6.8) Ryan Nugent Hopkins (6)
Wingels (1.5) Jenner (2.9) Slepyshev (.925)
Caggiula (.925) Letestu (1.8) Kassian (2)
Khaira (.900) Desharnais (1.75)

Klefbom (4.17) Larsson (4.17)
Sekera (5.5) Dumba (2.55)
Nurse (.863) Benning (.925)
Gryba (1)

Talbot (4.16)
Brossoit (.750)

Just a shade over 64 million, plus whatever Fayne's buyout penalty is.

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Wait... Ovechkin might be available? No, that's just pure fantasy. Although Ovi happens to be my favourite non-McDavid player, so that would be a dream come true. But lets just all admit that it's not happening. And definitely not for Nuge+Ebs. Sad, but it's just as true as it's ever been.

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Also watch for 1 of bear or Jones or even Mantha to challenge for a spot.

Remember how much of a long shot Benning was
Bear probably has the best shot due to him being a good offensive defenceman and having a right handed shot. Mantha might be to slow.

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Bear probably has the best shot due to him being a good offensive defenceman and having a right handed shot. Mantha might be to slow.
That's what I was thinking aswell. Bear is my #1 guess for NHL time at D.

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Dennis Everberg worth a shot?
I don't know. The suggestion was more of a strategy than a tactic because I'm not familiar enough with the market to put names forward.

Everberg is interesting though because he checks a lot of boxes for me: low to middle 20's; versatile enough to play more than one position; familiar with the NA game; skill and size. Don't know how his skating is or how aggressive he is.

We should probably export this discussion to the Rumours & Proposals thread.

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The first step was to bring in players necessary to fill glaring holes and see what we have as a team. Seven games second round of playoffs. Check.

The next step is to clear out dead weight and see what we have coming up. Whale hunting not included.

Then add pieces and adjust to create perennial contender.

Trade RNH+ for top 10 pick in a weak draft. He would slide in nicely behind Horvat. Draft Tippett.

Eberle, Brossoit for Hamonic, Halak, Grabovski

If LV doesn't take Pouliot trade him for picks in next year's draft.

Bring up Jesse Puljujarvi (JP)
Sign Spencer Foo (SF)
Sign best European RW free agent available to sidestep bidding wars here. (EFA)
They would compete for essentially two positions and provide insurance against Pitlick's injuries.

Maroon McDavid JP/SF/EFA
Lucic Draisaitl JP/SF/EFA
Slepyshev Caggiula JP/SF/EFA/Kassian
Khaira Letestu Kassian/Pitlick

Klefbom Larsson
Sekera Hamonic
Nurse Benning

Talbot
Halak
I like most of that except for the RNH trade, which is a huge, unnecessary risk.

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Hmm... Swapping Eberle for a #3 Centre w/ a bit of size would be my #1. I like the Kovalchuk idea, but this roster didn't have trouble scoring, it had an issue keeping pucks out of its net when it mattered. Sadly I don't think a straight up trade is an option here, but a 3 way, or b2b deals could be an idea. Flip Eberle for a pick from a team needing offence and then send that asset for a Zach Smith type. Or move Ebs in July to free up money for a Boyle or Hanzel.

Reinhart for Coburn. Solves the young d-man logjam at the bottom of the defence and upgrades on Russell with a similar style of defenceman. Win-win.

Sign/trade for a Hendricks/Lander replacement. Preferably someone who can jump to centre, but speed, defensive IQ and a little physicality are the big things I want. Doesn't need to be a big name, rather a quality vet to push Khaira and Pakarinen to step up. Someone like a Brad Richardson, Upshall, Dom Moore, or even Thompson would be ideal.

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Upshall-Letestu-Pitlick
Khaira, Pakarinen

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His is at least realistic.

You people posting Kovy and Hamonic in our line up next season are completely out to lunch.
I haven't even posted a lineup...

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His is at least realistic.

You people posting Kovy and Hamonic in our line up next season are completely out to lunch.
haha this, and I don't think we even want Kovy.

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