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View Poll Results: With the 8th OA pick in the 2017 draft, the Buffalo Sabres are proud to select...
RD - Cale Makar 97 85.84%
RD - Timothy Liljegren 12 10.62%
C/W - Martin Necas 0 0%
C - Michael Rasmussen 0 0%
C - Elias Pettersson 0 0%
C/W - Kristian Vesalainen 0 0%
C/W - Klim Kostin 0 0%
C - Nicholas Suzuki 1 0.88%
C/W - Lias Andersson 1 0.88%
W - Eeli Tolvanen 0 0%
LD - Juuso Valimaki 1 0.88%
C - Ryan Poehling 0 0%
RD - Callan Foote 0 0%
LD - Nicolas Hague 0 0%
C - Kole Lind 1 0.88%
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05-15-2017, 09:53 PM
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I have my heart set on Makar but Liljegren is going to be good so if we end up with him I'll be happy. If both are gone that means we'd have to choose between a highly ranked forward (Vilardi, Mittelstadt, Glass) and Valimaki. I'd take the forward in that case.

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If you're not a fan of the team, please don't vote. As we saw with the Arizona poll, one vote could be the deciding factor.

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If you're not a fan of the team, please don't vote. As we saw with the Arizona poll, one vote could be the deciding factor.
That won't happen here

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05-16-2017, 09:31 PM
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You draft Liljegren if you think that his gap control, poor defensive play, and bad decision making is a result of having mono and then coming back at the SHL level. If you're right, you get Doughty-lite. If you're wrong, you end up with Bogosian: all tangibles with poor hockey IQ.

You draft Makar if you think that he'll adjust to higher levels of competition as he grows older and eventually translate his hockey IQ and skills to the NHL. If you're right, you get Karlsson-lite. If you're wrong, you get an AHL defenseman.
Makar is a little more boom-or-bust, but we have Guhle, Borgen, Fitzgerald in the pipeline. We lack high end D prospects, so I'm OK with taking a risk on a guy who could be elite, not merely good.

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Not to mention that Lehner is a legit starting quality goalie. I don't know what people think the odds are of getting a player who will reach that level with the pick they gave up...but I can tell you they are wrong.
I would say the odds are pretty good since some of the players available have already made an impact while Lehner was not necessary at the time.

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Who is the one person who's going to sell us on Kole Lind?

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Someone named "gra".

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yeah but with our new GM we will no longer ger

Buffalo selects ... ....

it's back to the polite, thanks to blah blah and congratulations to blah blah

and with the 8th pick in the 2017 entry draft, the Buffalo Sabres are proud to select ....

This was where TM was fun! short simple to the point

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05-17-2017, 11:02 AM
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Last year Murray got us 3 players from the top 30 of last years HF poll (Nylander, Asplumd, Pu).

For a guy who gets a lot of **** on here for trading a 1st for Lehner, I don't see him getting many accolades for what could end up several big draft steals.
There are reasons why I criticized Murray but never said he should be fired. That's one of them.

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Last year Murray got us 3 players from the top 30 of last years HF poll (Nylander, Asplumd, Pu).

For a guy who gets a lot of **** on here for trading a 1st for Lehner, I don't see him getting many accolades for what could end up several big draft steals.
If guys like Guhle, Asplund, Pu, Nylander, Borgen etc make their marks in the league Tim will get plenty of credit. I think he'll be back in the NHL as a GM one day though I really don't know what his reputation is as a personality to deal with.

There are 2 teams of 4 left in the Stanley Cup playoffs that he had a lot of influence on.

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If guys like Guhle, Asplund, Pu, Nylander, Borgen etc make their marks in the league Tim will get plenty of credit. I think he'll be back in the NHL as a GM one day though I really don't know what his reputation is as a personality to deal with.

There are 2 teams of 4 left in the Stanley Cup playoffs that he had a lot of influence on.
I doubt Tim gets another GM job, at least not for quite a while. He should return to being a scout or assistant GM.

There are many facets to being the GM of an NHL team. Scouting amateur talent/drafting was basically the only one he was any good at.

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Someone named "gra".
Real name Kole Lind

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I think the Makar floor is actually the best part of him as a prospect. Thinking the game at an elite level, from the back end, IS. NOT. COACHABLE.

So when you have a guy who already stands out in that area, you can work with him to adjust him to the various levels of play (NCAA and pro)...

Someone mentioned gap control in speaking on Liljegren. You can work with a guy on it, but most of it is confidence. And confidence can grow. But the guy who has already placed "gap control" as an entity into the back of his mind, as an afterthought because he has figured out how to best position himself to handle it, is the guy who projects better to me. It's that combo of self confidence in ones footwork and the ability to perceive what kind of threat is actually coming your way (big body slower feet, elite speed likely going to try and take me wide, etc.) that you won't have an easy time trying to instill in someone, though you may try hard to. Thinkers become better NHL defenseman than low IQ elite athletes in mostly all instances.

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Liljegren or Makar here

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I think the Makar floor is actually the best part of him as a prospect. Thinking the game at an elite level, from the back end, IS. NOT. COACHABLE.

So when you have a guy who already stands out in that area, you can work with him to adjust him to the various levels of play (NCAA and pro)...

Someone mentioned gap control in speaking on Liljegren. You can work with a guy on it, but most of it is confidence. And confidence can grow. But the guy who has already placed "gap control" as an entity into the back of his mind, as an afterthought because he has figured out how to best position himself to handle it, is the guy who projects better to me. It's that combo of self confidence in ones footwork and the ability to perceive what kind of threat is actually coming your way (big body slower feet, elite speed likely going to try and take me wide, etc.) that you won't have an easy time trying to instill in someone, though you may try hard to. Thinkers become better NHL defenseman than low IQ elite athletes in mostly all instances.
Agreed

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There is a former player I think of every time I watch highlights of Makar and for those of you who know me, I hate direct player comparisons. It's damned funny because it pops into my head every single time.

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There is a former player I think of every time I watch highlights of Makar and for those of you who know me, I hate direct player comparisons. It's damned funny because it pops into my head every single time.
we are waiting ......

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Hey what's the rule with Junior A draft choices as opposed to CHL - can guys drafted out of Junior A go to the AHL or are Junior A leagues covered under the same agreement with the NHL as CHL?

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Oh man if we get Makar I will be almost excited about the July Development Camp as I was in 2015 to see Eichel in blue and gold.

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Hey what's the rule with Junior A draft choices as opposed to CHL - can guys drafted out of Junior A go to the AHL or are Junior A leagues covered under the same agreement with the NHL as CHL?
They can go to the AHL.

Exhibit A: Zemgus Girgensons signing and going to Rochester instead of going to play at UVM.

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we are waiting ......
If it's a former Sabre, and Chainy hates them as an individual, that's an easy one. Lulz, I can see a bit of Ozolinsh in there sometimes, myself.

If we're just going on undersized and great skating might be a little tougher. Was this guy the first American to win the Connie?

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If it's a former Sabre, and Chainy hates them as an individual, that's an easy one. Lulz, I can see a bit of Ozolinsh in there sometimes, myself.

If we're just going on undersized and great skating might be a little tougher. Was this guy the first American to win the Connie?
Nope, was never a Sabre but he did play in NYS.

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I went with Timothy Liljegren. But either one is the right pick (or Makar) for Buffalo this season. They'll have other picks to add value to their forward group (see second round).

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Nope, was never a Sabre but he did play in NYS.
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They can go to the AHL.

Exhibit A: Zemgus Girgensons signing and going to Rochester instead of going to play at UVM.
I know I've seen at least speculation before that players out of the CJHL cannot necessarily jump straight to the AHL. Girgensons was playing in the USHL, not the AJHL which is affiliated with the CJHL.

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