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05-16-2017, 04:47 PM
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that's a very stupid question to ask





So if we remove Markov, we wont have good results in the regular season? Markov is not the single reason why the Habs have good results in regular season and he's not a Hart candidate either

Yes he's good but let's remember that Markov started the 16-17 season on the 2nd pairing and in the 15-16 season he had a difficult year. So your "good results in regular season" argument is not valid. And there's a reason why we drafted Sergachev who is a LD, the plan was to replace Markov long term. Again, this team is well built for the future.
With what you said, I was seriously wondering if you understood the concept

But this team isn't well built for the future, unless you live in la-la-land.

If you want to believe it, it's your right though.

Let's agree to disagree.

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I'd sure as hell prefer this over Chucky & Sergachev for Duchene
IMO that would be a brutal trade for the Habs and one MB could possibly make. If MB does that trade he better get a huge jar of vaseline included from the Avs as well.

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Nope no need for good LD like Borgman and Rosen. Let the Leafs sign them all.

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Pucks at da net! (Michel T voice). Which net was never specified
I wonder what it would be like to overhear a conversation between MT and AK about getting puck on da net.

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Yup, and all we hear from the organization is that they draft and develop kids with character...
this is something you just made up, the organization doesn't say that they draft and develop kids with character

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this is something you just made up, the organization doesn't say that they draft and develop kids with character
nah, I also believe I heard him say that he wanted to draft more kids with "character"

in French:

http://www.nhl.com/ice/fr/news.htm?id=635410

Edit. in English:

http://montrealgazette.com/sports/ha...y-of-nhl-draft
http://montreal.ctvnews.ca/canadiens...erall-1.848601

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Nope no need for good LD like Borgman and Rosen. Let the Leafs sign them all.
Borgman and Rosen are good LD?

They havent played a single NHL game lol.....

Reminds me of Habs fans talking about Sekac when we signed him.

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this is something you just made up, the organization doesn't say that they draft and develop kids with character
Here, in french, have fun.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/fr/news.htm?id=635410

I sure made this up

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Why?
Because Giroux is so much better than Duchene or because it means Sergachev doesn't leave?
I'm guessing the latter!
I'll say both lol

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I'm not gonna lie, I had the same thought in the last week. For such a buzzword that is thrown around by Bergevin, I've never really heard him give concrete examples or a definition other than overcoming adversity.
It's nothing more than a buzzword. People have a general idea of what he means by it, and it provides a "pillar" to fall back on in order to explain his moves and direction. Makes people think the plan is going strong.

Well, some people do anyway.

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nah, I also believe I heard him say that he wanted to draft more kids with "character"

in French:

http://www.nhl.com/ice/fr/news.htm?id=635410
This article proves my point, the first thing the team are looking for is talent. Character comes second.

Le Canadien entend bien profiter du troisième choix au repêchage qu'il détient en vue de la séance de sélection de la LNH pour repêcher un joueur qui se distingue par son talent.

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In hindsight, Matthews is much better than anything the 2013/2014 drafts have had to offer.
He is, but regardless, the Habs roster would be much stronger with Elias Lindholm or Seth Jones. Plus, MB could have traded Erik Cole for Filip Forsberg, or Seth Jones for Ryan Johansen lol. Then we'd have Johansen, Forsberg, and Subban on the roster.

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This article proves my point, the first thing the team are looking for is talent. Character comes second.

Le Canadien entend bien profiter du troisième choix au repêchage qu'il détient en vue de la séance de sélection de la LNH pour repêcher un joueur qui se distingue par son talent.
See the other links I put in:

“We’ve identified character players who compete hard, players we feel have an upside, and now it’s up to our development people to work with them,” Timmins said.

that's after 2015 draft

Edit. If it was really made up, why would someone write this, then? (whoever she is, I don't really care)

http://thehockeywriters.com/montreal...cter-and-grit/


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I remember a few years ago there was an issue that the Habs didn't have a psychologist on staff to talk with the players. I hope that's been resolved. A professional organization with all these resources should have a sports psychologist on hand.

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Borgman and Rosen are good LD?

They havent played a single NHL game lol.....

Reminds me of Habs fans talking about Sekac when we signed him.
Free assets. They can fight for a roster spot. Especially considering Emelin might very well be lost for free and Beaulieu sucks.

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Meantime, the Blues are making changes ...

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Blues general manager Doug Armstrong announced Tuesday assistant coaches Ray Bennett, Steve Thomas, Rick Wilson, and Ty Conklin all would not return to the Blue staff next season.
The purge leaves Yeo and video coach Sean Ferell as the team's only remaining coaches.
Marc, don't fire anyone. You need to stay on good terms with your cronies.

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Of course he does but at the end of the day, the organization will still be there trying to develop other players. He will only screw his career.
Yeah, and then you end up with a prospect pool that sucks balls like we have in Montreal. So everyone is screwed.

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Blues, Rangers, Blackhawks, Kings ... many of the best-run organizations in the NHL believe in holding coaches accountable.

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Blues, Rangers, Blackhawks, Kings ... many of the best-run organizations in the NHL believe in holding coaches accountable.
You know there are more ways to hold coaches accountable then firing them.

Because you know...once you fire them, they're no longer accountable for anything lol

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Free assets. They can fight for a roster spot. Especially considering Emelin might very well be lost for free and Beaulieu sucks.
Ok now you change the subject to free assets, first it was good LD

What about the 30 other teams, they all missed on these good LD/free assets? We could make a long list of teams that could use LD's

It just makes me laugh when people talk about the Leafs like they are the best in the world by far... "oh looks at the leafs bro, they are so gooood" "oh look bro the leafs acquired 2 good LD's !!!"

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I remember a few years ago there was an issue that the Habs didn't have a psychologist on staff to talk with the players. I hope that's been resolved. A professional organization with all these resources should have a sports psychologist on hand.
I believe they've had different resources for many years.

IIRC they had a motivational coach and a sports psychologist at different points, the latter being the most recent and probably still with the team.

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After the Black Hawks, the Rangers have just announced changes:



The Rangers weren't afraid of canning their AHL coach without having a replacement in tow. Meantime, Bergevin won't confirm that Lefebvre is toast -- there are even rumors that they're considering Lefebvre for another position in the organization. When will it ever end.
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New York Rangers general manager Jeff Gorton announced Ken Gernander was relieved of his duties as head coach of the Hartford Wolf Pack in the American League. The identity of his replacement will be disclosed later.

Gernander had been in office for ten seasons (388-304-84 in 776 games). The Wolf Pack took part in the playoffs five times and participated in the Eastern Final in 2014-2015.
What is Sly's record? Playoff participations? Finals participation?

Bergevin is way too slow on this one. It was clear Sylvain Lefebvre was not up to the task 3 years ago.

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I too heard Gonzalez and Laracque say that Beaulieu and Galchenyuk are no longer part of the Habs' future. I agree, you can't take their sources or them too seriously.

Guillaume Latendresse joined their show. He said Beaulieu is apparently heavy on partying and drinking but is more discreet about it, he doesn't post anything, unlike what he used to do. Habs management is well aware of his continuing behavior.

As for Galchenyuk, Latendresse said that he drinks so much that two guys had to lift him up and carry him off the premises. I was surprised Latendresse was as forthcoming about this. Again, FWIW.
I remember similar reports about Carey Price a few years back.
Habs should of traded his a$$

Seriously Though, I don't pay much attention to this kind of stuff. I remember my early 20's...well kind of

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Imagine if Chicago and Anaheim had traded Patrick Kane and Corey Perry over their drinking problems.

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And get this:



What is Sly's record? Playoff participations? Finals participation?

Bergevin is way too slow on this one. It was clear Sylvain Lefebvre was not up to the task 3 years ago.
And the Rangers fired their AHL coach without naming a replacement.

Rumors are Bergevin is looking for Lefebvre to remain within the organization in some capacity, which if founded, completely reeks.

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