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The History of Habs Blockbuster Trades Post Sam Pollock

Many say the Habs need a blockbuster trade this summer to address the teams needs. How have the blockbusters worked out for this team over the last 39 years?

We look at every blockbuster since the retirement of Sam Pollock.

http://lastwordonhockey.com/2017/05/...buster-trades/

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So many bad trades and bad decision.

We're long due for someone to steer this team in the right direction. I often wonder if I'll ever see that in my lifetime.

And I miss PK on the Habs.

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I'm not sure how the trade that brought Turgeon to us isn't considered a win. The argument against it being a win seems to be that we traded him and Conroy for nothing shortly after, but that's a poor argument.

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To Montreal: RW Mark Recchi, 1995 3rd round pick

To Philadelphia: D Eric Desjardins, LW John LeClair, LW Gilbert Dionne
What was a reasoning behind this trade?

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What was a reasoning behind this trade?
Habs owners were cheap so they decided to have one of the players be team physician.

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What was a reasoning behind this trade?
Leclair was mostly unproven at that point while Recchi was already a top player. But yeah, it started to look bad for the Habs right after the trade happened.

And there's just no way Leclair would have scored 40 or 50 goals while playing for the Habs.

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Many say the Habs need a blockbuster trade this summer to address the teams needs. How have the blockbusters worked out for this team over the last 39 years?

We look at every blockbuster since the retirement of Sam Pollock.

http://lastwordonhockey.com/2017/05/...buster-trades/
I think you undervalue Kean in the Roy trade. You don't even talk about him. He was a very good 3rd line player. A good grinder who helped the Avs and the Stars win a cup.

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In general, that's some horrible management.

I don't know a single team in the league that trades more star players than us... and gets consistently fleeced on most of them. It's sad.

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I'm not sure how the trade that brought Turgeon to us isn't considered a win. The argument against it being a win seems to be that we traded him and Conroy for nothing shortly after, but that's a poor argument.
Well Schneider was a very good dman. It's a win cause Muller hit a wall after the trade while Malakhov had some good years but it looked like a bigger win than it really was when the trade was made.

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And there's just no way Leclair would have scored 40 or 50 goals while playing for the Habs.
This. I love Leclair but he doesn't score all those goals while playing with Koivu or Damphousse. Lindros was a generational talent. LeClair would have probably been a 30-50 guy here at best with two or three 40-60 career seasons. Something like that.

Recchi is close to be an HOF.

The main problem with this trade is we gave Recchi back to the Flyers for nothing. Recchi had a long career after leaving Montreal and won a cup with Carolina and Boston. He retired 4 years after Leclair despite being 2 years older.

We paid too much for Recchi. But we got a very very good player in this trade.

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Leclair was mostly unproven at that point while Recchi was already a top player. But yeah, it started to look bad for the Habs right after the trade happened.

And there's just no way Leclair would have scored 40 or 50 goals while playing for the Habs.
Not with his use.

Sure, he played with Lindros but the Habs just did not appreciate what they had in him, as per usual.

We got a good player, back but gave up way toooo much.

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Could bring up some interesting Pollock moves too.

Lost Tony Esposito in a draft. How good was he then? His first year in Chicago he had 15 shutouts which I don't believe anyone has matched since.

Not much to show for dealing Rogie Vachon, mostly spare parts. I believe Vachon had asked to be dealt when it was clear Dryden was #1.

Two young players who went on to become hall of famers.

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IMO - the bad trades =

The Langway trade
The Recchi trade
The Roy trade
The Corson for Turgeon trade
The Gomez trade

(The Chelios trade was also bad but they won the cup and Chelios was destined to be moved, but the return should have been better).

I still love the Weber trade. I would call it a win for the Habs and also the trade acquiring Turgeon.

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Leclair was mostly unproven at that point while Recchi was already a top player. But yeah, it started to look bad for the Habs right after the trade happened.

And there's just no way Leclair would have scored 40 or 50 goals while playing for the Habs.
Playing with Turgeon later on, he might've scored 40-50, especially with a pmd like Desjardins.

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Turgeon and Damphousse on the team? Leclair would have had plenty of goals!

I remember hearing or reading something that the reason they traded Turgeon was due to the fact that he wasn't happy with being second fiddle to Damphousse or regarding his ice time or some such.

But all Habs fan know how bad this organisation has been with trades.

I truly believe the last great trade the Habs pulled was when we traded Rivest to the Sharks for Josh Gorges and their 1st round pick which turned out to be Mac Pac.

Prior to that I would say the Turgeon Malakhov trade.

Pretty sad really!

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Turgeon and Damphousse on the team? Leclair would have had plenty of goals!

I remember hearing or reading something that the reason they traded Turgeon was due to the fact that he wasn't happy with being second fiddle to Damphousse or regarding his ice time or some such.

But all Habs fan know how bad this organisation has been with trades.

I truly believe the last great trade the Habs pulled was when we traded Rivest to the Sharks for Josh Gorges and their 1st round pick which turned out to be Mac Pac.

Prior to that I would say the Turgeon Malakhov trade.

Pretty sad really!

Maybe... But the main reason was to give Koivu a full time job at centre... He was awesome back then... But got injured and never was the same player after. Kind of a logjam at centre. Turgeon played his last game as a Hab on LW and got 3-or 4 points in that game.

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Turgeon and Damphousse on the team? Leclair would have had plenty of goals!

I remember hearing or reading something that the reason they traded Turgeon was due to the fact that he wasn't happy with being second fiddle to Damphousse or regarding his ice time or some such.

But all Habs fan know how bad this organisation has been with trades.

I truly believe the last great trade the Habs pulled was when we traded Rivest to the Sharks for Josh Gorges and their 1st round pick which turned out to be Mac Pac.

Prior to that I would say the Turgeon Malakhov trade.

Pretty sad really!
I don't remember hearing turgeon being unhappy with ice time but what I clearly remember is that the fans were all over him.

Everytime turgeon touched the puck towards the end of his tenure, he was booed fiercely by the crowd.

I'll never forget this one instance where the crowd was on him. Turgeon was entering the zone with the puck. The opponent came up to take the body on him and turgeon completely bailed. He just put the brakes on and softly chipped the puck forward. He was mentally done, and needed a change.

This is one way that the habs fan has changed over the years. Players were isolated and booed by the crowd in the 90s including brisebois, malakhov, and turgeon.

Actually, I haven't heard any booing like this since gainey ripped those fans early in his GM tenure.

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Leclair was mostly unproven at that point while Recchi was already a top player. But yeah, it started to look bad for the Habs right after the trade happened.

And there's just no way Leclair would have scored 40 or 50 goals while playing for the Habs.
This is true but going purely by memory, didn't John go into beast mode in the cup finals in '93? I mean, he wasn't the 40+ goal scorer I guess they expected a year later, but I recall being a little upset with the trade even though I liked Recchi a lot.

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This. I love Leclair but he doesn't score all those goals while playing with Koivu or Damphousse. Lindros was a generational talent. LeClair would have probably been a 30-50 guy here at best with two or three 40-60 career seasons. Something like that.

Recchi is close to be an HOF.

The main problem with this trade is we gave Recchi back to the Flyers for nothing. Recchi had a long career after leaving Montreal and won a cup with Carolina and Boston. He retired 4 years after Leclair despite being 2 years older.

We paid too much for Recchi. But we got a very very good player in this trade.
What truly hurts us in that trade is Desjardins, since it paved the way for Brisebois to become #1,

But then again, we would probably have traded Desjardins a few years later anyway due to the unwillingness of the Molson Brewery to spend money on players.

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IMO - the bad trades =

The Langway trade
The Recchi trade
The Roy trade
The Corson for Turgeon trade
The Gomez trade

(The Chelios trade was also bad but they won the cup and Chelios was destined to be moved, but the return should have been better).

I still love the Weber trade. I would call it a win for the Habs and also the trade acquiring Turgeon.
I agree

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At some point we fans started comparing the team Houle inherited and building the best team we could have had with the best of that team with our picks, versus the team we had.

Leaving aside the would we have had those picks if but for blah blah, the current team at the time was not near as good as the one we would have had if Houle had not made one single move.

I stopped getting excited about trades when Houle traded Turgeon and Conroy for Corson and Murray ( who the hell is he I asked my friend who told me of the trade ) Baron. .

Rumour was we were looking for a D and so when my buddy said the Blues, I thought Pronger, who was on the outs with Keenan.I really did, i mean it was Turgeon. LOL. Nope. Instead we gave up a high skill center for grit, CHaracter ( and I always liked Corson, but..) and the slowest D in the league. Ha ha ha.

That was it. Since then I have had PTSTD- Post Traumatic Stupid Trade Disorder.

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This. I love Leclair but he doesn't score all those goals while playing with Koivu or Damphousse. Lindros was a generational talent. LeClair would have probably been a 30-50 guy here at best with two or three 40-60 career seasons. Something like that.

Recchi is close to be an HOF.

The main problem with this trade is we gave Recchi back to the Flyers for nothing. Recchi had a long career after leaving Montreal and won a cup with Carolina and Boston. He retired 4 years after Leclair despite being 2 years older.

We paid too much for Recchi. But we got a very very good player in this trade.

Agreed.

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Recchi was a good player for the Habs. The problem was more who they lost. Then Four years later they trade Recchi away for scraps.

That Roy trade was dumb on two fronts: (A) Why wasn't Roy pulled after 4-1? Was there some kind of problems between Tremblay & Roy to start with? Can you imagine Julien deciding to leave in Price of a blowout game due to some petty issue? (B) What made them agree to such an average return for a HOF goalie? Nonetheless, give credit to Pierre Lacroix for taking advantage of the situation and winning Colorado a cup.

Here's the ironic thing about Roys last game: Did the Wings unintentionally cost them self a cup ( Best team in the league, lost to Avs & Roy in the WCF) by shellacking Roy that night. Kind of weird to look back on.

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Leclair was mostly unproven at that point while Recchi was already a top player. But yeah, it started to look bad for the Habs right after the trade happened.

And there's just no way Leclair would have scored 40 or 50 goals while playing for the Habs.
For sure a hindsight type trade. Recchi was still a very good player at the time and is probably considered by many in the hockey world one of the greats from that era (not HOF worthy but a star during his time).

Leclair just wrecked it with Lindros. Maybe if he goes to a different team he scores 30 but being with Lindros for sure helped him reach such lofty highs.

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Maybe... But the main reason was to give Koivu a full time job at centre... He was awesome back then... But got injured and never was the same player after. Kind of a logjam at centre. Turgeon played his last game as a Hab on LW and got 3-or 4 points in that game.
This was before the cap era correct?

So Molsons being cheap and not wanting to pay 2 star C's, sounds about right.

Its like Pens trading Malkin because of Crosby.

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