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03-26-2006, 04:36 PM
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This is why I don't like the shootout. The league's best player this season, who is dominating regular play, has been a poor shootout performer. But I do agree that Jagr should just skate in, pick a corner, and let it rip.

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I didn't bother to read whether anyone else picked this up, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was missed:

He's had to switch his stick ever since that illegal stick SO debacle. He's not using the same stick he's scored 51 goals with - that is the problem.

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03-26-2006, 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Balej20
Actually, Coach Bombay, Coach of Team USA 12 year old Olympic team knew that the triple deke was coming and told The Cat Gaffney to be ready for it.
i stand corrected although bombay considered a triple deek to be making a couple of dekes at the blue line, stopping and taking a slap shot ala steve laermer.

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03-27-2006, 08:25 AM
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That's part of it, BigE...

although he is 2 for 6 prior to the illegal stick debacle. Any idea if he was using the 'illegal' stick previously.

Perhaps Jagr's just not a shootout kind of guy, and prefers to have a couple guys draping over him. Should make it a 1-on-2. I think he'd do well in that.

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03-27-2006, 09:49 AM
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Jagr's two biggest plusses are his power and his "puck's eye view" when shooting. When there's traffic in the zone, he knows where the holes are from the puck's view, and he knows where the holes are around the net. He adjusts this automatically at speed and with his rink awareness, he is able to get ahead and around the goalie and get the puck there quickly. In a shootout, the speed and puck's eye view is a lot less critical. The goalie can see what you are doing the entire way and adjust. I'm not saying Jagr isn't subtle enough to fool the goalie one-on-one. Just that there's a lot of game tape on what he does, and goalies are going to study that before a game. Given a moment to compose their minds and remember the book on him, they will be more likely to read him and make the stop when there is nothing else distracting them.

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03-27-2006, 02:11 PM
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There's no one else I'd rather have in the shootout than Jagr and Prucha.

I think the problem is, we're judging him on a small sample size. Given 30, 40 or 50 shootouts he may score more than anyone else on the team. We've seen him in less than 10 this year.

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03-27-2006, 02:18 PM
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There's no one else I'd rather have in the shootout than Jagr and Prucha.

I don't know, Sykora has been pretty good.

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I don't know, Sykora has been pretty good.
He's a good pick too. I love his hands and his backhand move. Tried that and Malik's move the other day and I can't do it for the life of me...must be getting old.

At least they're making Jagr shoot first now. The order makes a big difference too. I'd like to see a sniper-type go first to set up a deker, works at the rink anyway.

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03-27-2006, 04:17 PM
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although he is 2 for 6 prior to the illegal stick debacle. Any idea if he was using the 'illegal' stick previously.

Perhaps Jagr's just not a shootout kind of guy, and prefers to have a couple guys draping over him. Should make it a 1-on-2. I think he'd do well in that.
Don't forget the broken stick in the Isles SO, and I thought it was 2 for 5 at that point, which kind of makes it 2 for 4.

Good point, Truth, easy to tell you've taken some statistics courses.

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03-27-2006, 05:02 PM
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Forgot the broken stick...

all I know is he's 2 for 8 now. I only did the simple math of subtracting the last two shootouts, figuring he was 2 for 6 prior to the debacle (2 for 5 taking out the broken stick). I'm actually surprised at his scoring rate as I thought earlier in the season he was quite good.

I too agree with Truth. In that same vein, I had a sense that Sykora wouldn't be able to do the same move again to score a goal - he wasn't going to go 100% as a Ranger, unfortunately.

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03-27-2006, 10:38 PM
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Regular play and shootouts are much different. Jagr is the most lethal offensive weapon during regular play. But it the shootouts, he's clearly not.

Prucha and Sykora should definately shoot. Nylander and Jagr should shoot 3rd and 4th.
I agree..I say..

Prucha
Sykora
Jagr
Nylander
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I wouldn't put Ozolinsh ahead of Straka.

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Did anyone hear what JD said about Dallas?

11-0 in SO. Jussi Jokinen, I want him on this team!

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I cant grasp the fact that Sykora scored tonight with that backhand move. I knew he was gonna do it, most people on here knew it. I bet both the Rangers and Sabres knew it. I talked to my friend who was at the game after the game and he said Grier went over to Miller...$10 bucks says he told him about his move. Im happy, dont get me wrong, but i just dont know how much longer he can keep using that move.

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Don't forget the broken stick in the Isles SO, and I thought it was 2 for 5 at that point, which kind of makes it 2 for 4.

Good point, Truth, easy to tell you've taken some statistics courses.
one of his shootout goals this year was a fluke. he whiffed on it but it managed to trickle in. the other was against buffalo in which he fooled the goalie. however, i recall him hitting the post on a SO once and then breakin his stick against aslanders

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I cant grasp the fact that Sykora scored tonight with that backhand move. I knew he was gonna do it, most people on here knew it. I bet both the Rangers and Sabres knew it. I talked to my friend who was at the game after the game and he said Grier went over to Miller...$10 bucks says he told him about his move. Im happy, dont get me wrong, but i just dont know how much longer he can keep using that move.
jussi jokinen does the same 2 moves every time. but i agree, how much longer will it work?

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