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05-26-2017, 12:36 PM
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Jets General Rumour, Trade, Free Agent and Waiver Speculation 16-17 Part XVIII

Continued from: http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=2213617

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I'd have to question the thought process by the writer if he/she thinks that adding Shattenkirk and his upcoming salary makes any sense to the Jets.

And that's probably as nice as I can write that.
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Adding Crosby, Karlsson and McDavid would help as well. All are as likely as Shattenkirk coming here as well.
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Puljujärvi appears to be just that as well. His hockey IQ is questionable, and he does not fill any need whatsoever.
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i'd be surprised if he landed anywhere other than Toronto.
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Still think he'll end up a Ranger somehow, they'll do some weirdo cap gymnastics to divest themselves of one of their big contracts to land the big fish in UFA.
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Any thoughts on picking up Kruger from Chicago. He'd be a great defensive zone specialist and could be had for likely next to nothing as Chicago needs to clear cap. He makes 3M for two more years. Is contract ends right as Laine needs an extension, so pretty much perfect timing. Expensive for a player who has no offence but the jets don't really need any more. Would help the pk you would think.
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Makes sense to me, especially if the Jets lose a young fwd in the XD. However, he does have an NTC. Another guy the Hawks may be willing to give away for a song is Anisimov (his NMC doesn't start 'til 2018) - how about him?
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Shatty is a 2RHD on most teams on no room whatsoever on the Jets. Not to mention he will be getting overpaid and too much term this summer. Pass.

I'd like to see the Jets make a play for Muzzin after the XD or de Haan at or after the XD.
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Anyone interested in Chris Lee?
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It's frustrating that this team's had some glaring issues for years and the organization thinks it's fine to just stay the course.

Will another season be sunk by letting the Lowry line play "shut down" with their mid-40s Corsi? Will line 4 continue to feature Copp with 2 terrible wingers?

How many years of bottom 5 special teams and goaltending does it take to get Mr. Dithers to change a lightbulb in the coaching department?

I guess some people just don't want to see more-of-the-same, but it looks like we're going to get it anyway.

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Continued from: http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=2213617

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@Gm0ney I am by no means a Chevy hater but it's pretty damned obvious that the lack of action on the pro side is due to his philosopy/ personality and unfortunately until the Jets move away from him, we will continue to see a GM who suffers from sitonmyhandsitis

Being able to not only identify weakness in season but have the will AND skill to act are qualities our Chevy does not have. I think he was a good GM to have in the first 5 years but it's time to move onto a more aggressive guy.

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Lowry had a positive Corsi%Rel and there was a coaching change and the powerplay improved.

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Lowry had a positive Corsi%Rel and there was a coaching change and the powerplay improved.
Lowry
CF% 48.0
CF% rel-1.8

Armia
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CF% rel -4.6

Matthias
CF% 49.0
CF% rel-1.5

All had approx. 60% D-Zone starts.

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@Gm0ney I am by no means a Chevy hater but it's pretty damned obvious that the lack of action on the pro side is due to his philosopy/ personality and unfortunately until the Jets move away from him, we will continue to see a GM who suffers from sitonmyhandsitis

Being able to not only identify weakness in season but have the will AND skill to act are qualities our Chevy does not have. I think he was a good GM to have in the first 5 years but it's time to move onto a more aggressive guy.
Kane/Bogo and Ladd moves were pretty "aggressive".

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@Gm0ney I am by no means a Chevy hater but it's pretty damned obvious that the lack of action on the pro side is due to his philosopy/ personality and unfortunately until the Jets move away from him, we will continue to see a GM who suffers from sitonmyhandsitis

Being able to not only identify weakness in season but have the will AND skill to act are qualities our Chevy does not have. I think he was a good GM to have in the first 5 years but it's time to move onto a more aggressive guy.
Or ParalysisByAnalysis

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@Gm0ney I am by no means a Chevy hater but it's pretty damned obvious that the lack of action on the pro side is due to his philosopy/ personality and unfortunately until the Jets move away from him, we will continue to see a GM who suffers from sitonmyhandsitis

Being able to not only identify weakness in season but have the will AND skill to act are qualities our Chevy does not have. I think he was a good GM to have in the first 5 years but it's time to move onto a more aggressive guy.
I've been thinking a lot about this myself lately. And to me it would blow my mind that Chevy could be so bush league. If every single person on this board can identify the weaknesses. I'm sure he does. There is probably a lot of reasons why he hasn't. Long term plan , money , no players wanting to be here , etc etc etc. It would be very very sad if Chevy was such a bad gm that he couldn't see what the average fan does


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Kane/Bogo and Ladd moves were pretty "aggressive".
Kane bogo move was forced. And Ladd move was a expected and normal move a gm makes at the deadline

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Kane/Bogo and Ladd moves were pretty "aggressive".
The only thing that I might characterize as 'aggressive' is the inclusion of Bogo in the Kane deal - And since we have no idea how that evolved I wouldn't grant that either. Maybe all the aggression there came from the other side. IIRC Buffalo had been trying to move both Myers and Stafford for some time. There was an unusual situation with Jets trying to trade a player who was out for the duration and Buffalo tanking hard. It was a little like the Horton/Clarkson deal in so far as it was 2 odd situations creating an unexpected fit.

Being good trades doesn't make them aggressive. Both cases were reactionary rather than proactive.

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I've been thinking a lot about this myself lately. And to me it wouldn't blow my mind that Chevy could be so bush league. If every single person on this board can identify the weaknesses. I'm sure he does. There is probably a lot of reasons why he hasn't. Long term plan , money , no players wanting to be here , etc etc etc. It would be very very sad if Chevy was such a bad gm that he couldn't see what the average fan does
I also think that making meaningful trades that help the team have been made more difficult for several reasons. First of all I do realize that other teams do manage to make these kind of trades but that doesn't take away from the fact that making significant trades is usually not an easy thing to get done. I think what has made it even more difficult for the Jets up until now has been the lack of organizational depth that can be used to make these kinds of trades work. I do recall Chevy talking about this in one of his interviews that took place over a year ago. His big concern was filling one hole on the roster but in the process opening another hole somewhere else. I seem to recall he referred to these kinds of trades as grave digging and he had seen enough examples of these kinds of trades not working out to know that it was something to avoid if at all possible.

Having said all that I do think that Chevy does take an ultra methodical approach to building a team but I also have a feeling that given the right circumstances he could really surprise us when things line up in the right way to make a strategic moves that can help the team. I would also say that looking at our roster today we are probably past the stage where major moves are necessary and what we really need now appears to be a few tweaks to solidify the roster.

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Or ParalysisByAnalysis
Actually I think the word is evaluation not analysis but it doesn't sound nearly as good.

"We are still evaluating."
"We can't evaluate our goalies until we fix the defense."
"I need a coach who can help me evaluate the roster."
I think I got those quotes pretty close.

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Actually I think the word is evaluation not analysis but it doesn't sound nearly as good.

"We are still evaluating."
"We can't evaluate our goalies until we fix the defense."
"I need a coach who can help me evaluate the roster."
I think I got those quotes pretty close.
Maurice said he couldn't evaluate Pavs until the D was better, as I recall.

I think it's smart to involve an experienced coach in the evaluation of a roster that was dysfunctional under the previous coach. The coach has a different vantage point than the GM.

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Maurice said he couldn't evaluate Pavs until the D was better, as I recall.

I think it's smart to involve an experienced coach in the evaluation of a roster that was dysfunctional under the previous coach. The coach has a different vantage point than the GM.
I think it's smart not to throw any one player under the bus.

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Lowry
CF% 48.0
CF% rel-1.8

Armia
CF% 46.4
CF% rel -4.6

Matthias
CF% 49.0
CF% rel-1.5

All had approx. 60% D-Zone starts.
According to stats.hockeyanalysis.com Lowry's 5 on 5 CF%RelTM was 1.1 last year:

http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/rati...T&sortdir=DESC

Tied for 7th on the team and 4th for forwards.

What am I missing?


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According to stats.hockeyanalysis.com Lowry's 5 on 5 CF%RelTM was 1.1 last year:

http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/rati...T&sortdir=DESC

Tied for 7th on the team and 4th for forwards.

What am I missing?
i'm not sure? I pulled my numbers from:
http://www.hockey-reference.com/play...lowryad01.html

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i'm not sure? I pulled my numbers from:
http://www.hockey-reference.com/play...lowryad01.html

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Corsica has Lowry
CF% 46.62
CF% Rel -1.95

Edit: those are all situations, but 5vs5 is still -1.26.

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Can we just take a minute to appreciate not having the Andrew Ladd contract, every time I see that on Capfriendly I smile while thinking about how much worse these threads trashing Chevy would get if we'd signed him to that lol.

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Can we just take a minute to appreciate not having the Andrew Ladd contract, every time I see that on Capfriendly I smile while thinking about how much worse these threads trashing Chevy would get if we'd signed him to that lol.
He tried to sign Ladd to 6x6 and Ladd turned him down. To me that's just as bad

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He tried to sign Ladd to 6x6 and Ladd turned him down. To me that's just as bad
Most likely having Ladd would mean Buff was gone. It was probably one or the other.

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Most likely having Ladd would mean Buff was gone. It was probably one or the other.
He should've known that years in advance and moved one or both for a premium. We'd have another young core piece in our lineup today.

It's same situation being repeated over again with Little & Wheeler now, only the team is closer to being competitive. Still there are no signs that Chevy has learned from past mistakes.

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He should've known that years in advance and moved one or both for a premium. We'd have another young core piece in our lineup today.

It's same situation being repeated over again with Little & Wheeler now, only the team is closer to being competitive. Still there are no signs that Chevy has learned from past mistakes.
It's the dead time between the end of the season and the Stanley cup awarded. What were you expecting to see as a sign exactly?

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It's the dead time between the end of the season and the Stanley cup awarded. What were you expecting to see as a sign exactly?
Too late for that I'm afraid. Little is down to 1 year left, his trade value is murky. We can't afford to deal him without taking another step backwards. Bad timing for that. They don't have a legit proven 3C, nevermind a 2C to replace him.

Safe to say Wheeler's not going to be moved. He's 1 year away from rental status, poised to earn 7m x 5 or a bit less with more term.

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Too late for that I'm afraid. Little is down to 1 year left, his trade value is murky. We can't afford to deal him without taking another step backwards. Bad timing for that. They don't have a legit proven 3C, nevermind a 2C to replace him.

Safe to say Wheeler's not going to be moved. He's 1 year away from rental status, poised to earn 7m x 5 or a bit less with more term.
Too late for what? You said there was no sign Chevy had learned? What kind of sign would you have expected since the season ended? It's a simple question really

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