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06-11-2017, 07:36 AM
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Marchand-Bergeron-Oshie
Stafford-Krejci-Pastrnak
DeBrusk-JFK-Backes
Bjork-Nash-Acciari
Schaller

Krug-McAvoy
Chara-Carlo
Miller-Miller
Morrow-Cross


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FORWARDS (14)
D. Krejci ($7,250,000)
P. Bergeron ($6,875,000)
B. Marchand ($6,125,000)
D. Pastrnak ($6,000,000)
D. Backes ($6,000,000)
T. Oshie ($5,500,000)
D. Stafford ($3,500,000)
N. Acciari ($925,000)
J. Forsbacka Karlsson ($916,667)
R. Nash ($900,000)
J. DeBrusk ($863,333)
S. Kuraly ($808,750)
T. Schaller ($800,000)
F. Vatrano ($792,500)

DEFENSE (8)
T. Krug ($5,250,000)
Z. Chara ($4,000,000)
K. Miller ($2,500,000)
C. Miller ($1,000,000)
J. Morrow ($925,000)
C. McAvoy ($916,667)
B. Carlo ($789,167)
T. Cross ($700,000)

GOALTENDER (2)
T. Rask ($7,000,000)
A. Khudobin ($1,200,000)

BUYOUTS
D. Seidenberg ($2,166,667)

DETAILS
Roster Size: 24
NHL Salary Cap: $73,000,000
Cap Hit: $73,703,751
Cap Space: -$703,751

TRADE/WAIVE
M. Beleskey
J. Hayes
R. Spooner
A. McQuaid
Wouldn't work under the cap. Nobody is taking Beleskey or Hayes without cap coming back. Waive them and they sit in the minors but most of their cap still counts.

There's just simply no room for a UFA like Oshie this offseason.

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06-11-2017, 07:41 AM
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That 4th line would legit get beat to a pulp. I absolutely hate the idea of a soft 4th line like that. Gross.
Is it softer than Matt Cullen, Carter Rowney and Tom Kuhnackl?

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Is it softer than Matt Cullen, Carter Rowney and Tom Kuhnackl?
Yes.
Obviously, yes.


On a side note: The Pens also dressed 6'5 245pds (pure "goon") Tom Sestito for 1/7th of all their games this season --they put him into games where they thought things could get physical and let him off leash (50pims in 13 games).

But that doesn't fit into your narrative, so......

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IMO

Marchand - Bergeron - Pasta
Cehlarik - Krejci- Bjork
Acciari - Kulary - Backes
Debrusk- Heinen- Nash

Chara - Mcavoy
Krug - Carlo
Zboril - K. Miller

Rask
Khudobin
I like your defense, just what I was thinking...except Krug/Carlo is D1 and plays about 5 more mins per than Chara/McAvoy. This has to be the year they take action on Chara's mins and don't just talk about it.

Marchand/Bergeron/Bjork
Beleskey/Krejci/Pastrnak
Vatrano/Backes/Nash
DeBrusk/Kuraly/Acciari
Cehlarik

Krug/Carlo
Chara/McAvoy
Zboril/K.Miller
O'Gara

Rask
Khudobin

Hayes - demoted or jettisoned
Spooner - traded
McQuaid - traded
C.Miller - Vegas

Beleskey is ours to bear. He's gotta be ready and step up.

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06-12-2017, 06:24 AM
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My fantasy lineup for next season based on some rumors we have seen and what I want to happen.

Marchand-Bergeron-Pastrnak
Landeskog-Krejci-Vatrano
Bjork-Backes-Senyshen
Belesky-JFK-Kuraly
Cehlarik-Nash-Acciari

Brodin-McAVoy
Chara-Carlo
Morrow-Miller
O'Gara

Rask
Khudobin

Their 1st, Krug, Spooner, McQuaid, Subban, DeBrusk, Zboril, Heinen, all traded.

C.Miller claimed by LVK.

Hayes in Providence

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06-12-2017, 06:29 AM
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My fantasy lineup for next season based on some rumors we have seen and what I want to happen.

Marchand-Bergeron-Pastrnak
Landeskog-Krejci-Vatrano
Bjork-Backes-Senyshen
Belesky-JFK-Kuraly
Cehlarik-Nash-Acciari

Brodin-McAVoy
Chara-Carlo
Morrow-Miller
O'Gara

Rask
Khudobin

Their 1st, Krug, Spooner, McQuaid, Subban, DeBrusk, Zboril, Heinen, all traded.

C.Miller claimed by LVK.

Hayes in Providence

So, the B's downgrade on D (Krug to Brodin) AND trade DeBrusk, Zboril, Heinen, and a 1st and only get Landeskog?

Pass.


ps You have five forward lines.

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06-12-2017, 07:33 AM
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So, the B's downgrade on D (Krug to Brodin) AND trade DeBrusk, Zboril, Heinen, and a 1st and only get Landeskog?

Pass.


ps You have five forward lines.
They upgrade from Krug to Brodin in my eyes. Krug is now the highest paid defender on the team and I think they would be better served with a cheaper, better defensive player while fully accepting that they would lose his offense but hopefully McAvoy can be an acceptable replacement on the PP.

I get that a lot of people love Krug and embrace him as a top pairing D, I just don't see him as that kind of a player. Brodin on the other hand is exactly the kind of guy I want. Krug would have been part of a trade for Landeskog by the way. Other players were being moved for cap space(McQuaid) or because I think they need to move on(Subban and Spooner) in other deals outside of Brodin/Landeskog.

I figured some combination of those players would hopefully be enough to get Brodin and Landeskog and still leave the team in better shape.

There are 5 lines because there would be an injury or two or three and the last bunch of guys would be the fill ins.

This team looks to me to be a lot better than the team we saw the last few years. The defense looks like it would be much more solid than it has been since Boychuk was traded and Seidenberg was a shadow of his former self.

The Bruins have the ability to pull off some big trades that can drastically improve the team because of the amount of good prospects they have and the hopeful willingness to move their 1st but they would probably also have to be willing to move a player that they don't want to move and I chose Krug. That is the sacrifice I was willing to make to improve the team and to really solidify the entire lineup(hopefully).

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06-12-2017, 07:45 AM
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They upgrade from Krug to Brodin in my eyes. Krug is now the highest paid defender on the team and I think they would be better served with a cheaper, better defensive player while fully accepting that they would lose his offense but hopefully McAvoy can be an acceptable replacement on the PP.

I get that a lot of people love Krug and embrace him as a top pairing D, I just don't see him as that kind of a player. Brodin on the other hand is exactly the kind of guy I want. Krug would have been part of a trade for Landeskog by the way. Other players were being moved for cap space(McQuaid) or because I think they need to move on(Subban and Spooner) in other deals outside of Brodin/Landeskog.

I figured some combination of those players would hopefully be enough to get Brodin and Landeskog and still leave the team in better shape.

There are 5 lines because there would be an injury or two or three and the last bunch of guys would be the fill ins.

This team looks to me to be a lot better than the team we saw the last few years. The defense looks like it would be much more solid than it has been since Boychuk was traded and Seidenberg was a shadow of his former self.

The Bruins have the ability to pull off some big trades that can drastically improve the team because of the amount of good prospects they have and the hopeful willingness to move their 1st but they would probably also have to be willing to move a player that they don't want to move and I chose Krug. That is the sacrifice I was willing to make to improve the team and to really solidify the entire lineup(hopefully).
I want nothing to do with losing Krug, in fact, I see no reason why the B`s can`t add Brodin if the rumors pan out and keep Krug at the same time. IMO, subtracting Krug while adding Brodin doesn`t make this team stronger

This team has tons of prospects that can be used as assets, some draft picks, a few younger players like Spoon/Vatrano who could also be part of a package to secure a deal, no need to get rid of Krug, the guy bleeds Black and Gold

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I want nothing to do with losing Krug, in fact, I see no reason why the B`s can`t add Brodin if the rumors pan out and keep Krug at the same time. IMO, subtracting Krug while adding Brodin doesn`t make this team stronger

This team has tons of prospects that can be used as assets, some draft picks, a few younger players like Spoon/Vatrano who could also be part of a package to secure a deal, no need to get rid of Krug, the guy bleeds Black and Gold
Making the money work out isn't all that easy though. Pastrnak is going to get a sizable raise and he deserves it. Let's say the do get Brodin and have Krug, as far as I can see that means they will have a bottom pairing D making $4 million at least. I know Chara is old but he is going to be playing top 4 minutes and then Brodin will probably be playing the hard defensive minutes and the PK while Krug gets the offensive zone and PP. In effect Krug would be a bottom pairing PP specialist again while being the highest paid D on the team.

I think a Krug/Kevan Miller bottom pairing would be great but I wasn't able to find a way to make it work within the salary cap while also acquiring a legit 1st/2nd line winger to play with Krejci.

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Team looking soft. Just saying.
This can be fixed pretty easily and cheaply. Good, tough players are going to be exposed in the expansion draft, use prospects or picks to acquire at least one, preferably two. Adding two of Matt Martin, Austin Watson, Ryan Reaves, Chris Stewart, Michael Ferland, Antoine Roussel or possibly Zack Smith if Ottawa doesn't protect him would alleviate having a soft group of forwards. Also before the pacifists start screaming about how the game is changing and you don't need to be tough anymore most of these players are better players than what comprised the 4th line here last year. Yes I know the next argument is "put all kids on the 4th line so they can develop". A fourth line of Bjork-JFK-Senyshyn should be Providences top line, not on Boston, learning the pro game.

If Sweeney can't swing a deal for a couple of those players Tanner Glass, Ryan White, Joseph Cramarossa and Chris Thornburn are UFA's and would all come pretty cheaply to add grit to the 4th line.

Ideally a top 6 forward with a complete game is added, but those players are few and far between, which is why I really want them to add Landeskog. Wayne Simmonds I assume is going to be cost prohibitive and Evander Kane is too much of a gamble character wise for me.

If McQuaid and K.Miller both can avoid being selected in the expansion draft the D should be ok but as it currently stand the forwards are in desperate need of some grit and toughness.

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Explain to me why C. Miller is the obvious choice? He had the highest Corsi% 5 v. 5 in the the entire league based on guys that played over 800 minutes. He's significantly younger, on a better contract, and brings more offensively than either K. Miller or McQ. Is he the player those guys are currently? No. But when he's 29 or 30, I would expect a much better player than either of those guys. It wouldn't be ideal to lose K. Miller, but he can be replaced in time. If you keep C. Miller, the RHD is set for the foreseeable future.

Could also be a moot point as they may trade for a defenseman.
Well there's one reason, stats don't win games, especially advanced metrics. When advanced metrics indicate hockey IQ get back to me.

I like C.Miller but I keep K.Miller and McQuaid over him. First you don't know if C.Miller is going to get any better, you know K.Miller and McQuaid are solid NHL Dmen. But the shiny new toy who has potential is always so much better than guys who have reached their ceiling, which is as solid bottom 6 Defensemen, who kill penalties and play physical.

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All gone.
Where, who is taking Jimmy Haye's contract? Some good Samaritan who owes Sweeney a favor is going to put Lil Jimmy in his pressbox for 2.35m just because? How about Belesky? Buyout? Another friendly GM looking to add 3.85m to his roster? Buy him out along with Siedenbergs buyout and you have a really good player for around 4m this year In buyout money and you are paying Belesky for another 5 or 6 years with the buyout. Spooner? Nothing in return? Forgets to report after arbitration? Bruins walk away from Arbitration?

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They upgrade from Krug to Brodin in my eyes. Krug is now the highest paid defender on the team and I think they would be better served with a cheaper, better defensive player while fully accepting that they would lose his offense but hopefully McAvoy can be an acceptable replacement on the PP.

I get that a lot of people love Krug and embrace him as a top pairing D, I just don't see him as that kind of a player. Brodin on the other hand is exactly the kind of guy I want. Krug would have been part of a trade for Landeskog by the way. Other players were being moved for cap space(McQuaid) or because I think they need to move on(Subban and Spooner) in other deals outside of Brodin/Landeskog.

I figured some combination of those players would hopefully be enough to get Brodin and Landeskog and still leave the team in better shape.

There are 5 lines because there would be an injury or two or three and the last bunch of guys would be the fill ins.

This team looks to me to be a lot better than the team we saw the last few years. The defense looks like it would be much more solid than it has been since Boychuk was traded and Seidenberg was a shadow of his former self.

The Bruins have the ability to pull off some big trades that can drastically improve the team because of the amount of good prospects they have and the hopeful willingness to move their 1st but they would probably also have to be willing to move a player that they don't want to move and I chose Krug. That is the sacrifice I was willing to make to improve the team and to really solidify the entire lineup(hopefully).
I think that Krug is best utilized as a 2nd pair ES guy running one PP unit, but I'm not sure why you think Brodin is an upgrade?

Krug plays 21:36 a game, two more minutes per game than Brodin. He put up twice as many points and Brodin is not going to QB the PP, which leaves another hole. I think McAvoy is capable of doing it, but not at this juncture.

The whole point of getting a guy like Brodin is to lessen Chara's minutes and begin to transition away from him. Acquiring one D-man and dealing Krug doesn't accomplish that at all. If anything, it makes it likely Chara will have to shoulder more of a load, not less. If you proposed dealing Krug and getting two Top 4 guys, that would be a different thing entirely.

Not sure how you can look at that D and say it looks stronger?

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Well there's one reason, stats don't win games, especially advanced metrics. When advanced metrics indicate hockey IQ get back to me.

I like C.Miller but I keep K.Miller and McQuaid over him. First you don't know if C.Miller is going to get any better, you know K.Miller and McQuaid are solid NHL Dmen. But the shiny new toy who has potential is always so much better than guys who have reached their ceiling, which is as solid bottom 6 Defensemen, who kill penalties and play physical.
Agree about advanced stats, but Justin Schultz should be example A on the whole "IQ" thing. He's really come into his own at age 26 (basically 27). Chiller is a guy I hope doesn't get taken in the expansion draft.

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Brodin is the opposite of Krug. Great defensive guy, but unfortunately limited in the offensive zone. If Krug isn't a top pairing guy because he's not good enough in his own zone, Brodin isn't a top pairing guy either because he ain't good enough offensively. As the Ottawa series proved, Bruins aren't in a position to get rid of a puck moving defenceman of Krug's caliber.

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I think that Krug is best utilized as a 2nd pair ES guy running one PP unit, but I'm not sure why you think Brodin is an upgrade?

Krug plays 21:36 a game, two more minutes per game than Brodin. He put up twice as many points and Brodin is not going to QB the PP, which leaves another hole. I think McAvoy is capable of doing it, but not at this juncture.

The whole point of getting a guy like Brodin is to lessen Chara's minutes and begin to transition away from him. Acquiring one D-man and dealing Krug doesn't accomplish that at all. If anything, it makes it likely Chara will have to shoulder more of a load, not less. If you proposed dealing Krug and getting two Top 4 guys, that would be a different thing entirely.

Not sure how you can look at that D and say it looks stronger?
I think you like Krug much more than I do. I like the guy and I think he really has improved his overall game, but he does have some weaknesses and since he is now the highest paid D on the team, if he is not going to be able to be used in every situation, I would rather have a guy who brings more of a defensive presence while opening up a little bit of salary cap space to add a winger. It is just what I prefer. I don't know about anyone else, but a Brodin-McAvoy pairing just seems like it would be every bit as good as a Krug-McAvoy pairing and they would be able to handle defensive situations better and of course they would be giving up a few points.

Getting two top four D would be great, I didn't even think of that. Chara is still a good player and very effective but I understand the desire to move away from him. I do think they have another year before they are going to need to replace Chara in the top 4, they would be something that would need to be worked on going forward.

I admittedly don't have all the answers but I like that team more than what we have seen over the past few years.

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I like your defense, just what I was thinking...except Krug/Carlo is D1 and plays about 5 more mins per than Chara/McAvoy. This has to be the year they take action on Chara's mins and don't just talk about it.

Marchand/Bergeron/Bjork
Beleskey/Krejci/Pastrnak
Vatrano/Backes/Nash
DeBrusk/Kuraly/Acciari
Cehlarik

Krug/Carlo
Chara/McAvoy
Zboril/K.Miller
O'Gara

Rask
Khudobin

Hayes - demoted or jettisoned
Spooner - traded
McQuaid - traded
C.Miller - Vegas

Beleskey is ours to bear. He's gotta be ready and step up.
Hayes and Beleskey wont last imo

Not sure why people dont like the

Acciari kulary backes line

It was the best line in the final two -three games of the playoffs

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Keep in mind Bjork can play rw even if he shoots lefts.

I can see some fireworks going off playing alongside Krejci. And Cehlarik

Im sold on giving debrusk and especially heinen a chance on the 4th line.

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Deal for Lando, re-sign Moore.

Marchand-Bergeron-Bjork
Heinen-Krejci-Pasta
Lando-Spooner-Backes
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Beleskey-Nash

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So somehow we're back onto Avalanche mis fit toys. I really don't like the idea of the bruins taking a chance on players from a failed team. Begs the question why the team failed and if said players are part of the failure?

If the bruins are going to give up valuable assets make sure it's a proven commodity!

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So somehow we're back onto Avalanche mis fit toys. I really don't like the idea of the bruins taking a chance on players from a failed team. Begs the question why the team failed and if said players are part of the failure?

If the bruins are going to give up valuable assets make sure it's a proven commodity!
You didn't like the Horton trade?

Yes, I know we always that example...but there is a reason people make trades.

Example: Rick Nash, Voracek, Ryan Johansen

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I think you like Krug much more than I do. I like the guy and I think he really has improved his overall game, but he does have some weaknesses and since he is now the highest paid D on the team, if he is not going to be able to be used in every situation, I would rather have a guy who brings more of a defensive presence while opening up a little bit of salary cap space to add a winger. It is just what I prefer. I don't know about anyone else, but a Brodin-McAvoy pairing just seems like it would be every bit as good as a Krug-McAvoy pairing and they would be able to handle defensive situations better and of course they would be giving up a few points.

Getting two top four D would be great, I didn't even think of that. Chara is still a good player and very effective but I understand the desire to move away from him. I do think they have another year before they are going to need to replace Chara in the top 4, they would be something that would need to be worked on going forward.

I admittedly don't have all the answers but I like that team more than what we have seen over the past few years.
If Krug was traded and Brodin was acquired, then Brodin would be our highest paid dman... a guy who's main strength is in one end of the ice and not the other. And be your own logic, that does not a 1st pairing dman make.

Brodin's defensive game isn't that large of a gap over Krug's as their offensive games are. I don't think either one are " true " number 1 dmen, but I'm ok with them sharing the workload of the role, much like Krug and Chara did last season ( nearly identical shifts per game, one played primary minutes on the PP, the other played primary minutes on the PK ).

Also, this reduces Chara's overall minutes which is huge. We've seen that the man can still go and be an upper tier defensive dman and provide some offense, but at his age, you want to see him playing closer to 20 minutes then you do 25.

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Hayes and Beleskey wont last imo

Not sure why people dont like the

Acciari kulary backes line

It was the best line in the final two -three games of the playoffs
DS will get a passing grade for me on the off season if he gets rid of Hayes alone, imo...I can't suffer him in a Bruins uni one day further...and DS should feel the same way...get him gone...

Beleskey, I just can't see anyone taking that contract, right now. At best, we'd get dead money and/or a problem back. Not for me, I'm going to bet on a bounce back year for Beleskey...at least to passable...then we can revisit moving him.

It looked like there was something wrong with Beleskey that can hopefully be addressed through conditioning in the off season. He needs to come in focused to earn that contract...and I'm going to give him that shot.

I do like that line...but I'm also counting on a Loui-like 2nd season arrival for Backes...I want him at the center position he prefers ready to produce. I like my 3rd and 4th line, they seem like a good combo and well suited for their tasks.

...but it's just to start out. It's unlikely anything lasts long.

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i'll start with positions im happy/confident with

pastrnak/bergeron/marchand
x/krejci/x
x/backes/x
accari/nash/
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mcavoy/x
carlo/chara
x/krug
x

rask
khudobin

thats 13 of 23 roster spots filled with guys i think are good enough to win with and are here to stay

i feel one of mcquaid or kevan miller will be lost to expansion but the other should be kept as we need the experience/grit

guys that were regulars whom i dont feel have a guaranteed job going forward include spooner/belesky/schaller/hayes/vatrano up front and colin miller/joe morrow on blueline. i dont believe we will bring back ufa dominec moore or john michael liles

i dont believe we will add 9 rookies in addition to mcavoy/accari so im going to say belesky/hayes/schaller all stick around. that fills 17 roster spots. im also going to predict we add a left hand shot dman through a trade... and finally im going to suggest we will sign jarome iginla as an ufa.

that leaves 4 spots open for rookie contest

pastrnak/bergeron/marchand
iginla/krecji/x1
hayes/backes/x2
accari/nash/belesky
schaller/x3

mcavoy/trade target
carlo/chara
mcquaid/krug
x4

rask
khubodin

i know alot of board members will hate several parts of my prediction but im trying to be realistic and logical

iginla sucked in colorado... but everyone sucked there. moral does matter. hes a winner and im sure that black hole gutted him. once he moved to la, he was on pace for a 20 goal scorer again. we know he gelled with krejci before. if his cap hit is under 2 million we can afford him.

hayes royally sucked last year... but he doesnt compete. there is lots of talent in him. now is his contract year. if hes ever going to compete, it will be to get a new contract. it doesnt save us much money to eat 1/2 his contract in a trade so i predict he will stay

matt belesky is too expensive. i dont think hes tradable. last year was horrible buy he was a pretty good bottom 6 player before that. lets chalk up last season as an abnormality and hope he reestablishes some value so we can trade him asap to open a spot for a kid

i dont have spooner/c miller coming back... so figure they both get dealt. i see a fit with the islanders. i think islanders need to deal calvin de haan or lose him to vegas.

as 4 the 4 open roster spaces

iginla/krecji are slow... i give debrusk an edge over chelrik/heinen/bjork for this scoring line spot

hayes/backes are also slow... but will grind. i think this spot is kuralys to lose or maybe this is where debrusk ends up

in the utility role, i think czarik can win the spot

this leaves jfk/bjork/heinen all stuck in ahl

the 7th dman might end up being morrow but hes not waiver exempt. team might just move on from him and try someone like rob ogara in the spot

all in all i wont mind this lineup. i do think it will be an improvement over last year. i do think we should give guys like senshyn and jfk a year of pro experience in ahl before they replace guys like iginla and hayes next season.

we have a huge surplus of kids with talent... but not alot of cap room. we might want to move belesky/mcquaid next year. but with one less year on their contract it will be easier

im willing to include a prospect dman in the trade for dehaan/brodin as i dont think spooner/c miller get it done by themselves

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