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05-30-2017, 07:01 PM
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TSN regains Montreal 'local' English television

http://montrealgazette.com/sports/ca...-moving-to-tsn

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English language regional telecasts of weekday Canadiens games are moving back to TSN next season.

While there has been no official confirmation of the move from Rogers Sportsnet, The Gazette has learned that the deal between TSN and the Canadiens was completed earlier this year.

According to sources close to the negotiations, Sportsnet, which was in the final year of a three-season agreement to televise Canadiens games, made a strong push to retain the rights.

They were thwarted because Bell, TSN’s parent company, also has an ownership stake in the Canadiens, which included the right to match any offer for the TV rights. When Rogers acquired the Canadian TV rights to NHL games in Canada in 2014 and farmed out the national French-language rights to TVA, Bell invoked that clause to secure a French-language deal for RDS but passed on a TSN deal. RDS is reportedly paying $1 million a game for the 60 mid-week Canadiens games on its schedule. The TSN deal is for far less money and reflects the smaller audience for the games.

Their change of heart might have been a recognition that Rogers created a viable product around the Canadiens games.

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That 15% of the Habs that BCE is not really supposed to control (Yeah right!) sure as hell is paying off. It kept Quebecor out of 60 local market games at a stiff price, and now they are getting more local content for TSN. BCE is also pouring money on the Jets by buying the naming rights to the MTS Centre. At what point is the NHL going to put their foot down, and demand that they divest out somewhere?

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Bell didn't really buy the naming rights to the Jets arena so much as they bought the company that already had the naming rights. I'm pretty confident that the second largest telecom in Canada didn't buy the largest telecom in Manitoba just to get their name mentioned on Jets broadcasts

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That 15% of the Habs that BCE is not really supposed to control (Yeah right!) sure as hell is paying off. It kept Quebecor out of 60 local market games at a stiff price, and now they are getting more local content for TSN. BCE is also pouring money on the Jets by buying the naming rights to the MTS Centre. At what point is the NHL going to put their foot down, and demand that they divest out somewhere?
Why?

Why do people get so worked up about conglomerate A fighting against conglomerate B? Who cares?

BCE made a wise investment in a hockey team and are profiting from that to help with their content. Why would the NHL get upset about that? It's *NOT* BCE getting a lower price to pay for rights, it's BCE getting TSN a chance to match any offer. Rogers could have bid higher to maintain the rights but didn't.

When the Nordiques come back, Quebecor will reap the benefits of that and TVA Sports will have a crapload of content. This is fine.

A key driver of the Expos potentially coming back would be BCE needing content for TSN and RDS. I have no problem with conglomerates helping pay for sports teams instead of the public. If you get the leagues "putting their feet down" this would greatly reduce the interest they have. How is that good?

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Bell didn't really buy the naming rights to the Jets arena so much as they bought the company that already had the naming rights. I'm pretty confident that the second largest telecom in Canada didn't buy the largest telecom in Manitoba just to get their name mentioned on Jets broadcasts
I'm sure this was the only reason!

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http://blog.fagstein.com/2017/05/29/...moving-to-tsn/

With TSN already carrying Ottawa Senators regional games, this would present a scheduling problem, since the two teams’ regions are identical. They could share TSN5, but there would need to be an overflow channel for times when both teams are playing (much like Sportsnet uses temporary Sportsnet One channels when Flames and Oilers games conflict). TSN could just create a TSN6, or a temporary channel, or some other deal.

Another thing to consider is that such a deal would drastically reduce the number of nationally broadcast Canadiens games. Because Sportsnet was both the regional and national rights holder, it could upgrade regional games to national ones, and last season broadcast 44 of 82 regular-season games nationally. If the Canadiens sell regional rights to TSN, Sportsnet could be left with as few as 22 games (mostly Saturday nights), and all the ones carried on TSN would be blacked out west of Ottawa.

Then there are other issues like on-air talent (John Bartlett would probably be out of a job if Sportsnet lost Canadiens games, but that’s no guarantee TSN would want him back).

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Disclaimer : I'm personally not affected by this in the slightest (being French + In Québec = RDS, RDS being the "good" network and TVAS the "bad" one).

From what I could gather, the broadcasting itself will not be getting worse (and that's putting it mildly). We might even get lucky and have Johnson do the Habs broadcasts.

The issue I have with this is obviously the possibility of a blackout. I'm not really worried for people in my area who'd prefer to watch in English (I do think the market is to significant -- if there's really an issue with the Sens, then TSN will probably just create another channel to accomodate both teams, because I don't think TSN would pay (what they did) solely for a very small piece of the pie. I know I won't bother myself (but I probably would if the other option was TVAS).

Not to mention TSN (and BCE) absolutely has an incentive to actually broadcast the Habs games (and, in a certain way, to have them broadcasted, no matter by whom).

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Bell didn't really buy the naming rights to the Jets arena so much as they bought the company that already had the naming rights. I'm pretty confident that the second largest telecom in Canada didn't buy the largest telecom in Manitoba just to get their name mentioned on Jets broadcasts
It's not that far fetched...given we in Canada are very well protected by CRTC from Media monopoles.

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It's funny there wasn't even an english language regional TV broadcast until Rogers created it 3 years ago, lots of english fans just watch on RDS. Maybe some of these fans who don't speak French prefer it in an incomprehensible language, then you don't get the inane commentary.

I guess Rogers got decent enough ratings to make it worth TSN's while to put something together. Probably they could outbid Rogers because they can keep costs down by sharing assets with RDS and also TSN's english radio station which also covers the broadcasts.

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That 15% of the Habs that BCE is not really supposed to control (Yeah right!) sure as hell is paying off. It kept Quebecor out of 60 local market games at a stiff price, and now they are getting more local content for TSN. BCE is also pouring money on the Jets by buying the naming rights to the MTS Centre. At what point is the NHL going to put their foot down, and demand that they divest out somewhere?
what about Rogers and their Rogers Arena, Rogers Place etc. etc.

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It's funny there wasn't even an english language regional TV broadcast until Rogers created it 3 years ago, lots of english fans just watch on RDS. Maybe some of these fans who don't speak French prefer it in an incomprehensible language, then you don't get the inane commentary.

I guess Rogers got decent enough ratings to make it worth TSN's while to put something together. Probably they could outbid Rogers because they can keep costs down by sharing assets with RDS and also TSN's english radio station which also covers the broadcasts.
That is false. TSN had regional rights starting in 2011 with an alternate channel called TSN-Habs. Sportsnet gained those rights in 2015 when TSN decided not to match the offer.

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http://blog.fagstein.com/2017/05/29/...moving-to-tsn/

With TSN already carrying Ottawa Senators regional games, this would present a scheduling problem, since the two teams’ regions are identical. They could share TSN5, but there would need to be an overflow channel for times when both teams are playing (much like Sportsnet uses temporary Sportsnet One channels when Flames and Oilers games conflict). TSN could just create a TSN6, or a temporary channel, or some other deal.

Another thing to consider is that such a deal would drastically reduce the number of nationally broadcast Canadiens games. Because Sportsnet was both the regional and national rights holder, it could upgrade regional games to national ones, and last season broadcast 44 of 82 regular-season games nationally. If the Canadiens sell regional rights to TSN, Sportsnet could be left with as few as 22 games (mostly Saturday nights), and all the ones carried on TSN would be blacked out west of Ottawa.

Then there are other issues like on-air talent (John Bartlett would probably be out of a job if Sportsnet lost Canadiens games, but that’s no guarantee TSN would want him back).
What frustrate me the most is that either in French or English I got to pay for two different network to see all the Habs games. And since were a multi generational family with some of us not speaking English (Looking at you dad! loll) it four networks I got to have.

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What frustrate me the most is that either in French or English I got to pay for two different network to see all the Habs games. And since were a multi generational family with some of us not speaking English (Looking at you dad! loll) it four networks I got to have.
...Then ditch the English channels...?

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...Then ditch the English channels...?
And watch on TVA sports... Have you ever watched a game on TVA Sports? My god it not even good enough to be RDS bad.

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And watch on TVA sports... Have you ever watched a game on TVA Sports? My god it not even good enough to be RDS bad.
Point taken

But RDS is actually VERY good as far as the description of the game is concerned. As for intermissions, I just.... do something else.

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TSN signs multi-year deal as official English language broadcaster for Montreal


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That 15% of the Habs that BCE is not really supposed to control (Yeah right!) sure as hell is paying off. It kept Quebecor out of 60 local market games at a stiff price, and now they are getting more local content for TSN. BCE is also pouring money on the Jets by buying the naming rights to the MTS Centre. At what point is the NHL going to put their foot down, and demand that they divest out somewhere?
BCE didn't buy the naming rights to MTS centre. They bought MTS who owns the naming rights to the building.

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Wonder how TSN will work this regional broadcast?

They expanded from TSN and TSN 2 to TSN 1 through 5 to accommodate their regional NHL rights. Last season it broke down like this:

TSN 1 = National Broadcast 100% of the time
TSN 2 = National Broadcast 100% of the time
TSN 3 = Jets
TSN 4 = Leafs
TSN 5 = Senators

So the assumption would be that TSN 1 gets rejigged to be the regional channel for the Canadiens?

Just curious.

I also wonder if SN is okay with this, since they were splitting SNE between the Habs and Sens, SNO is only Leafs, though I wonder what the breakdown was for # of viewers for Habs games vs Sens games on SNE...

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Who are going to call these regional games on TSN?

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Wonder how TSN will work this regional broadcast?

They expanded from TSN and TSN 2 to TSN 1 through 5 to accommodate their regional NHL rights. Last season it broke down like this:

TSN 1 = National Broadcast 100% of the time
TSN 2 = National Broadcast 100% of the time
TSN 3 = Jets
TSN 4 = Leafs
TSN 5 = Senators

So the assumption would be that TSN 1 gets rejigged to be the regional channel for the Canadiens?

Just curious.

I also wonder if SN is okay with this, since they were splitting SNE between the Habs and Sens, SNO is only Leafs, though I wonder what the breakdown was for # of viewers for Habs games vs Sens games on SNE...
I would assume TSN 1 shows the Canadiens games because they still need TSN 2 to show some Toronto Raptors NBA games depending what is broadcast on TSN 4 and Sportsnet who also show their games.

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Wouldn't be surprised if they create an overflow channel for when Habs and Sens games overlap, or else they create new TSN-Habs and/or TSN-Sens channels. You just have to hope and trust that your cable system will add them.

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Wouldn't be surprised if they create an overflow channel for when Habs and Sens games overlap, or else they create new TSN-Habs and/or TSN-Sens channels. You just have to hope and trust that your cable system will add them.
Lucky for me I have Bell.

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One big plus for Bell is TSN-Habs can use the same production truck as RDS home and away and graphics can be tailored for both languages.

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Wonder how TSN will work this regional broadcast?

They expanded from TSN and TSN 2 to TSN 1 through 5 to accommodate their regional NHL rights. Last season it broke down like this:

TSN 1 = National Broadcast 100% of the time
TSN 2 = National Broadcast 100% of the time
TSN 3 = Jets
TSN 4 = Leafs
TSN 5 = Senators

So the assumption would be that TSN 1 gets rejigged to be the regional channel for the Canadiens?

Just curious.

I also wonder if SN is okay with this, since they were splitting SNE between the Habs and Sens, SNO is only Leafs, though I wonder what the breakdown was for # of viewers for Habs games vs Sens games on SNE...
I thought TSN1 was aimed toward BC and Alberta.

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TSN1 is AB/BC region. Granted only regional stuff would be Vancouver non-national MLS currently.

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