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06-02-2017, 09:36 AM
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OT NBA Silver wants draft modified

http://www.nba.com/article/2017/06/0...-rules-amended

Currently, players have one-and-done chances of being drafted. Silver claims that's not working and wants to extend draft window.


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I think they need to do something similar to baseball - you can either commit to the draft out of high school, or you need to play two years in college.

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They should just get rid of the one and done rule.

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I think they need to do something similar to baseball - you can either commit to the draft out of high school, or you need to play two years in college.
This, or ditching the guaranteed contracts and allowing a players rights to be held by a team all 4 years of college, is the right answer... which means the NBA will not adopt it.

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They really need a better developmental league where players aren't ashamed to go there and learn.

The G League has no credibility. It's no AHL.

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Silver looks at the NCAA as a competitor.

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On Pardon The Interruption today they were saying the NBA should do what MLB does for their drafted players. Basically they should either let them be drafted right out of high school and go directly to the NBA or choose to play in the NCAA and for a minimum of 2 years before being drafted. With MLB when a player is drafted out of high school they can sign and go pro or go to college and be drafted again.

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This, or ditching the guaranteed contracts and allowing a players rights to be held by a team all 4 years of college, is the right answer... which means the NBA will not adopt it.
The NBA would be smart to adopt it though as players would come into the league better developed. The product of the NBA needs to get better and there needs to be better parity, especially since this is Cavs v. Warriors Part 3. In the NHL, even though Chicago for a time and Pittsburgh now are powerhouses, and it appears that Round 2 sees the real Stanley Cup Finals because of an accident of geography, there is much more parity in the NHL even with Pittsburgh being a powerhouse. Edmonton is on its way up and they could de-throne Pittsburgh in the future now that they have an actual team concept in place.

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There are two huge differences between the MLB and NBA systems:

A) MLB has a real farm/development system. The NBA doesn't.
B) NBA 1st round picks receive substantial guaranteed contracts based on their draft slot. You can count the # of basketball players projected as 1st round picks each year that don't enter the draft on one hand.

The problem always comes back to the NBA not having a good place for young players to develop. Imo the best response is either to create that environment; negotiate higher age limits in the CBA so the prospective players have more time to matriculate before the draft; or change the draft system so the NBA teams can hold draftee rights for multiple years.

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As long as the lottery stands, it's broken as hell.

The lottery generally screws legitimately bad teams & while I'm not into conspiracy theories, it's the one I believe.

How else can a woebegone team like the Suns be denied a chance at a game changer while the Marquee teams are in the top three?

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As long as the lottery stands, it's broken as hell.

The lottery generally screws legitimately bad teams & while I'm not into conspiracy theories, it's the one I believe.

How else can a woebegone team like the Suns be denied a chance at a game changer while the Marquee teams are in the top three?
This year, it was by accident because the Nets had given up first round picks to the Celtics until 2019 (this year a swap, and last year and next year unprotected) because of earlier trades. That pick would have been the Nets (who finished 30th overall) if they had still held the pick.

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There are two huge differences between the MLB and NBA systems:

A) MLB has a real farm/development system. The NBA doesn't.
B) NBA 1st round picks receive substantial guaranteed contracts based on their draft slot. You can count the # of basketball players projected as 1st round picks each year that don't enter the draft on one hand.

The problem always comes back to the NBA not having a good place for young players to develop. Imo the best response is either to create that environment; negotiate higher age limits in the CBA so the prospective players have more time to matriculate before the draft; or change the draft system so the NBA teams can hold draftee rights for multiple years.
uh, the NBA Development League, soon to be the NBA Gatorade League, has 26 NBA teams either outright owning their affiliate or a hybrid arrangement, so A) isn't holding up in this argument.... very similar setup to what the WNBA did at the beginning of their existence 20 years ago, mouser, the plan is to have all 30 NBA Teams have a G-League affiliate, whether existing or expansion.

in fact, Phoenix has theirs in the same city where the former Arizona Sundogs franchise played. Boston is the rare exception where it's a hybrid, not an outright ownership.

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uh, the NBA Development League, soon to be the NBA Gatorade League, has 26 NBA teams either outright owning their affiliate or a hybrid arrangement, so A) isn't holding up in this argument.... very similar setup to what the WNBA did at the beginning of their existence 20 years ago, mouser, the plan is to have all 30 NBA Teams have a G-League affiliate, whether existing or expansion.

in fact, Phoenix has theirs in the same city where the former Arizona Sundogs franchise played. Boston is the rare exception where it's a hybrid, not an outright ownership.
The presence of that league is fine.

Calling it a true place to develop talent is simply not reality.

MLB...Very rare that any player reaches the league, much less becomes a star without playing in the minors.

NBA...Very very few NBA starters come through that league.

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This year, it was by accident because the Nets had given up first round picks to the Celtics until 2019 (this year a swap, and last year and next year unprotected) because of earlier trades. That pick would have been the Nets (who finished 30th overall) if they had still held the pick.
Oh, I know about Boston having Brooklyn's pick, but I'm still mentioning how Phoenix was denied a chance to get a decent player.

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The presence of that league is fine.

Calling it a true place to develop talent is simply not reality.

MLB...Very rare that any player reaches the league, much less becomes a star without playing in the minors.

NBA...Very very few NBA starters come through that league.
You could also argue that every single D-League player drafted by an NBA team (at least 7 players were selected in the NBA draft) was used exclusively as trade bait instead of being used by the team drafting them.

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the NBA needs more rounds in their draft

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Yeah, the NBA draft, with 2 rounds, is the shortest of all the major sports leagues drafts. To me they should expand it to 3 rounds and eliminate the 1 and done rule. 2 yrs. for college should be the new cut off instead of having the 1 and done rule as it is now.

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the NBA needs more rounds in their draft
The last NBA draft to go 3 rounds was in 1988. Currently the NBA draft is 60 picks (2x30). Looking back at those old drafts, how many players picked at 60+ went on to sustained NBA careers (300+ GP)?

1988 (75 picks, 3 rounds) - zero players
1987 (161 picks, 7 rounds) - four players
1986 (162 picks, 7 rounds) - three players
1985 (162 picks, 7 rounds) - six players
1984 (228 picks, 10 rounds) - one player
1983 (228 picks, 10 rounds) - one player

They cut the # of rounds in the draft due to the dismal hit rate on players in later rounds. I suppose if the NBA were to implement a real farm system it would make sense to expand the # of rounds back out again.

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They need to cultivate more talent and have teams with deeper benches/pools. 3 round draft at least, with no one-and-done.

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3 round draft, a real development league, and being able to hold players rights for multiple years, or doing something like the MLB draft does. Bottom line is to develop depth of talent in the NBA. Right now, unless you have the handful of top players you are not contending for a title. Would be better to see franchises develop different strategies. Maybe a franchise goes in with a total team concept and has a great player development program. As a result they are a team that plays a "60 minutes of hell" style of basketball with full court presses and running up and down the court, with massive numbers of substitutions in order to push the pace of play. Would be different, and better than the current NBA which is dominated by star players, the game is very individualized, with pick & roll and clear out offenses.

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3 round draft, a real development league, and being able to hold players rights for multiple years, or doing something like the MLB draft does. Bottom line is to develop depth of talent in the NBA. Right now, unless you have the handful of top players you are not contending for a title. Would be better to see franchises develop different strategies. Maybe a franchise goes in with a total team concept and has a great player development program. As a result they are a team that plays a "60 minutes of hell" style of basketball with full court presses and running up and down the court, with massive numbers of substitutions in order to push the pace of play. Would be different, and better than the current NBA which is dominated by star players, the game is very individualized, with pick & roll and clear out offenses.
the Gatorade league already does that, folks, and 26 NBA teams now either own one or operate one within a hybrid agreement...

the way it's structured now, you have 2 years of G-League contractual experience....

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Unless they've announced more details on the two-way contracts since March, that's not entirely true.

Yes, most teams have an affiliate, but there's still a 15 man roster limit so the vast, vast majority of players on most affiliate rosters are technically free agents that can be signed by any team to a NBA deal. Allowing teams to maintain a 15 man active roster while still having a 5-7 man taxi squad that are team property but only eligible to play for an affiliate would be a good start.

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Unless they've announced more details on the two-way contracts since March, that's not entirely true.

Yes, most teams have an affiliate, but there's still a 15 man roster limit so the vast, vast majority of players on most affiliate rosters are technically free agents that can be signed by any team to a NBA deal. Allowing teams to maintain a 15 man active roster while still having a 5-7 man taxi squad that are team property but only eligible to play for an affiliate would be a good start.
no it doesn't..... they're limited to 2 year deals, and essentially it already is a 15 man squad as it is now.

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