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2017 NHL Draft Discussion | Part II

View Poll Results: Of the available selections, who do you draft at 22nd OV?
Kailer Yamamoto 73 51.41%
Shane Bower 1 0.70%
Robert Thomas 26 18.31%
Ryan Poehling 7 4.93%
Conor Timmins 11 7.75%
Erik Brannstrom 9 6.34%
Kole Lind 9 6.34%
Jaret Anderson-Dolan 3 2.11%
Isaac Ratcliffe 0 0%
Jason Robertson 3 2.11%
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06-07-2017, 09:26 PM
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I'd do BPA this draft. We need to draft the best talent (especially at fwd)

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If we were to trade down, what do you think New Jersey would want for #36 & #49? They have 11 picks, and won 1st overall, so maybe they'd be more open to it? The more I think about trading down though, the less I want to do it...

Our LW is kind of set for a while, pending next off-season and what comes of Caggiula & Maroon contract negotiations. Also, Benson projects to be at least a top 9 guy if he can get back on track. Lastly, either one of Khaira or Laleggia have the potential to surprise.

On RW we could use another prospect, preferably a player who can finish. Yamamoto & Lind come to mind... Who knows, maybe Slepyshev becomes a staple in our top 6. Totally possible.

I feel like we have enough checking center prospects in the system to justify not drafting a guy who is expected to become a 3C. Just sign Derek Ryan, and keep drafting checking C's in the middling rounds. We have Vessel, Rasanen, Khaira, and Gambardella in the pipeline already.

One more bonafide D prospect would make our defensive pipeline really stellar. We're in decent shape... I'm glad that I'm not doing the drafting though lol. Brannstrom or Yamamoto for me, swing for the fences.

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I would also take Popugaev at twenty-two, no questions asked. Easily over Ratcliffe. Huge, strong, fast, physical, can play all three positions a with an NHL quality shot and high quality puck-handling abilities.
I think he'll be the best Russian from this draft class.
He could be deadly on the cycle with Drai while being skilled and mobile enough to be the perfect power forward for McDavid. He's played excellently with Yamamoto and Hischier in the past, so he knows how to complement the stars, has potential to be one himself.


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I would also take Popugaev at twenty-two, no questions asked. Easily over Ratcliffe. Huge, strong, fast, physical, can play all three positions a with an NHL quality shot and high quality puck-handling abilities.
I think he'll be the best Russian from this draft class.
He could be deadly on the cycle with Drai while being skilled and mobile enough to be the perfect power forward for McDavid. He's played excellently with Yamamoto and Hischier in the past, so he knows how to complement the stars, has potential to be one himself.
I would avoid Popugaev into the 3rd round. Depending on who's available with our two 3rds I'd pass on him then too.

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Tippett sounds either like Bondra or Yakupov.

I have a lot of time for Brannstrom but you have to hope he's like Ryan Ellis. Like Yamamoto, he is quite small. Wonder if its more of an issue for D.

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Tippett sounds either like Bondra or Yakupov.

I have a lot of time for Brannstrom but you have to hope he's like Ryan Ellis. Like Yamamoto, he is quite small. Wonder if its more of an issue for D.
Tippett has a lot of Virtanen in him.

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Tippett has a lot of Virtanen in him.
Except he is better than Virtanen at almost all of those things, especially the shot. Tippett is severely underrated on these boards because of a perceived lack of hockey sense. He's a shooter. He knows how to get open and how to use his shot off the rush. He also showed a new level of compete this year and bucked the poor defensive label he had been previously given. He played hard defensively and learned where to be on the ice without the puck. He screams coachable to me. He also showed to me that he is smart enough to know what he needed to work on to take the next step. Would be a great pick inside the top 10. He's number 5 on my board.

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In a draft like this, I have Tippett in the top 10 very easily too.

I hope he goes to a team with a quality center though. I don't know how well his game will translate without someone getting him the puck in good spots.

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I'd do BPA this draft. We need to draft the best talent (especially at fwd)
I dunno, when you're drafting 18 year old kids by the time you get down to 22nd overall you can make an argument for a half dozen different guys on who the "BPA" is, depending on what you value most in a player.

There is merit in the strategy for sure, but IMO at a certain point in the draft it's little more than a meaningless cliche.

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Except he is better than Virtanen at almost all of those things, especially the shot. Tippett is severely underrated on these boards because of a perceived lack of hockey sense. He's a shooter. He knows how to get open and how to use his shot off the rush. He also showed a new level of compete this year and bucked the poor defensive label he had been previously given. He played hard defensively and learned where to be on the ice without the puck. He screams coachable to me. He also showed to me that he is smart enough to know what he needed to work on to take the next step. Would be a great pick inside the top 10. He's number 5 on my board.
Based on the highlights, he's more Laine than Virtanen.

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I dunno, when you're drafting 18 year old kids by the time you get down to 22nd overall you can make an argument for a half dozen different guys on who the "BPA" is, depending on what you value most in a player.

There is merit in the strategy for sure, but IMO at a certain point in the draft it's little more than a meaningless cliche.
I agree here. BPA can be 5 different players to 5 different scouts even at 15. You gotta avoid the low upside picks where the justification is "hes a future 3rd liner and will be a solid one".

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Except he is better than Virtanen at almost all of those things, especially the shot. Tippett is severely underrated on these boards because of a perceived lack of hockey sense. He's a shooter. He knows how to get open and how to use his shot off the rush. He also showed a new level of compete this year and bucked the poor defensive label he had been previously given. He played hard defensively and learned where to be on the ice without the puck. He screams coachable to me. He also showed to me that he is smart enough to know what he needed to work on to take the next step. Would be a great pick inside the top 10. He's number 5 on my board.
THANK YOU.

This is exactly what I see as well. No where, and I mean no where outside of HFboards are you seeing this supposed lack of hockey sense. He's a straight shooter, quite literally, has great speed and size to boot. Good hands, good inside vision, and is smart with the puck going into the offensive zone.

He's top 5 on my board as well.

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THANK YOU.

This is exactly what I see as well. No where, and I mean no where outside of HFboards are you seeing this supposed lack of hockey sense. He's a straight shooter, quite literally, has great speed and size to boot. Good hands, good inside vision, and is smart with the puck going into the offensive zone.

He's top 5 on my board as well.
Well the lack of hockey sense has been mentioned.

http://ohlprospects.blogspot.ca/2017...r-2017_16.html

I think the real area of concern is his hockey sense and ability to utilize his teammates. Too often the play dies on his stick and he's not able to extend possession in the offensive zone because he fails to find an open teammate and loses poise/patience with the puck. I think this is especially evident on the powerplay, as I find him to be a more effective 5 on 5 player right now.

Is this something that will develop? That remains to be seen. Harnessing this will also make him a better goal scorer. Let's be real, the goals he scores by catching defenders and goalies off guard in the OHL, won't be goals at the next level. He's going to have to work harder to find the dirty areas and work the middle of the ice better to be a consistent goal scorer at the NHL level. But in a draft year that lacks true star potential, Tippett has to remain a top 10 pick because of the goal scoring potential he possesses and ultimately, that's what wins hockey games

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Yeah. It definitely isn't just a thing on HFboards.

Basically every scouting report out there on Tippett will tell you he's very much a north-south goalscorer who struggles to slow the game down and use his teammates.

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For the record I like Tippett more now, but he has a lot of the same tools as Virtanen entering the draft. Wicked shot, great wheels, lack of IQ.

Keep in mind this is just entering thier draft. Jakes development wasn't handled correctly and his development stagnated (although I still like him as a prospect). The hope is that Tippett evolves. I'm just not sure I personally see it.

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Well the lack of hockey sense has been mentioned.

http://ohlprospects.blogspot.ca/2017...r-2017_16.html

I think the real area of concern is his hockey sense and ability to utilize his teammates. Too often the play dies on his stick and he's not able to extend possession in the offensive zone because he fails to find an open teammate and loses poise/patience with the puck. I think this is especially evident on the powerplay, as I find him to be a more effective 5 on 5 player right now.

Is this something that will develop? That remains to be seen. Harnessing this will also make him a better goal scorer. Let's be real, the goals he scores by catching defenders and goalies off guard in the OHL, won't be goals at the next level. He's going to have to work harder to find the dirty areas and work the middle of the ice better to be a consistent goal scorer at the NHL level. But in a draft year that lacks true star potential, Tippett has to remain a top 10 pick because of the goal scoring potential he possesses and ultimately, that's what wins hockey games
The thing for me is he is a goal scorer. This scouting report could apply to one hall of famer named Brett Hull and for his entire career, except he wasn't an exceptional skater. I have a lot of time for a guy who knows how to put the puck in the net. And Tippett is probably the top prospect in this draft at doing that. He also has the size and skating ability to be more of a player than just a goal scorer. Sure, he's not dynamic like Hischier, and doesn't pass like Vilardi, or have the two way game of Patrick, but he has the ability to out score all 3 of them(in terms of goals).

Something tells me the scouting world has something against the program in Mississauga. A lot of ppl are sleeping on Hague and Tippett this year. If it's a coaching thing, all the more reason to believe the sky is the limit for these two players. I am the only one in the world I'm sure who has them at 4&5 respectively on my draft board.

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What do the WHL followers think of Anderson-Dolan?

How far behind Yamamoto is he?

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What do the WHL followers think of Anderson-Dolan?

How far behind Yamamoto is he?


Here is what I wrote back in February, JAD didn't produce at the U18, but I thought he had a good tourney and I still feel this way about him. Love him as a prospect and if we grabbed him at 22 I'd be ecstatic:

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JADís best attribute is his skating. I believe he is the best skater in the draft. There are other guys with great acceleration, guys that are as fast as him straight line, but when you also factor in his outstanding edge work I give him the title. His ability to use his edges is outstanding for deceiving a defender before blowing by him. He uses this ability at top speed as well to change direction on a dime. It is truly impressive to watch.

His work ethic and determination are also exceptional. He reminds me of Brendan Gallagher in that sense, he goes to all the tough areas and refuses to give an inch. He brings that same intensity in his own end he is a total puck-hound. His shot in all aspects is good from what Iíve seen. Heavy, accurate wrist shot, good release on one timers and he even likes to unload with a slapper from time to time. Half his goals in highlight reel fashion and the other half are gritty goal mouth jam-ins.

Vision and passing are also very good to me. He plays off of other skilled players very well and takes pride in his two-way game. JAD doesnít own super silky hands, like his linemate Kailer Yamamoto, but he can still finish with the deke.

One concern Iíve heard raised is that he is undersized, but even that is ridiculous. He is 5í11 185 with a great stocky frame. Also I have no clue what heís like on the dot Its hard to find that data and just based off what Ive seen I cant say one way or another.

I am very close to saying Iíd rather have JAD over Yamamoto. JAD is a Sept. 12, 99í birthday, Yamamoto is a Sept. 29, 98í. JAD is 4 four days from being a 2018 draft eligible. That is almost a full year difference. Which also means Kailer has a full year more experience than JAD at every level. He is so young and still growing, still maturing he looks this good while being so raw and just beginning to develop into the player heíll be.

As for an NHL comparable, I know its crazy to say this, but I see a lot of Sidney Crosby in him. Both in attitude and style. IN NO WAY AM I SAYING HE WILL BE AS GOOD AS CROSBY. They just have a similar skating style and skills. I see JAD as a 2nd line C at the NHL level.
As for Dolan vs. Yam, I really like them both. I like Yamamoto for us more. We need to find pieces that compliment our two stars. Yamamoto is that.

This video provides a good look at JAD:



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As for Dolan vs. Yam, I really like them both. I like Yamamoto for us more. We need to find pieces that compliment our two stars. Yamamoto is that.
Don't you think JAD would complement our guys just as good, or better, than Yamamoto? I feel like especially for a player like McDavid having these straight north/south guys who play a simple game yet has very good speed (and skill) would suit him the best. Dolan seems to have a pretty good shot too so all he really has to do on that line is to get open for McDavid's passes. Sort of the same thing with Draisaitl, although I think he works well with both styles. I feel like McDavid doesn't really mesh well with "fancy dan's" like Eberle and I think Yamamoto to an extent falls into that category too. Yamamoto would probably be better suited with Draisaitl. Imagine a JAD-McDavid-Pulju line though, that speed

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HockeyProspect's final rankings are out:

https://www.hockeyprospect.com/2017-nhl-draft-rankings/

Tippett at #22, Tolvanen at #24. Would be crazy if those guys are still around when we pick.

Really like seeing Jokiharju, Chytil, Boqvist and Robertson in the 1st round too

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HockeyProspect's final rankings are out:

https://www.hockeyprospect.com/2017-nhl-draft-rankings/

Tippett at #22, Tolvanen at #24. Would be crazy if those guys are still around when we pick.

Really like seeing Jokiharju, Chytil, Boqvist and Robertson in the 1st round too
ISS has Tippett at #5, Toivanen at #17 and Jokiharju at #29. The other 3 don't even make the top 31.

http://www.isshockey.com/iss-top-31-...v=3e8d115eb4b3

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HockeyProspect's final rankings are out:

https://www.hockeyprospect.com/2017-nhl-draft-rankings/

Tippett at #22, Tolvanen at #24. Would be crazy if those guys are still around when we pick.

Really like seeing Jokiharju, Chytil, Boqvist and Robertson in the 1st round too
Chytil seems to be a riser on a lot of rankings. As he should be.

If both Tippett and Tolvanen are there at #22, who do you take?

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Chytil seems to be a riser on a lot of rankings. As he should be.

If both Tippett and Tolvanen are there at #22, who do you take?
Yamamoto.

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Well if Ryan Poeling is available at 22 that's my pick, i think. Mind you hes been ranked from as high as 9 to as low as 21
Lots of pick shuffling at the draft this year i think with the prospects being so close

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Yamamoto.
I'd probably take him over Tolvanen, but I would jump on Tippett so fast.

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