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2017 NHL Draft Discussion | Part II

View Poll Results: Of the available selections, who do you draft at 22nd OV?
Kailer Yamamoto 73 51.41%
Shane Bower 1 0.70%
Robert Thomas 26 18.31%
Ryan Poehling 7 4.93%
Conor Timmins 11 7.75%
Erik Brannstrom 9 6.34%
Kole Lind 9 6.34%
Jaret Anderson-Dolan 3 2.11%
Isaac Ratcliffe 0 0%
Jason Robertson 3 2.11%
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06-08-2017, 05:07 PM
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Tolvanen is starting to have some red flags for me. But Id jump on Tippett pretty fast. Size and 44 goals, thats tough to pass up. Guy is a shoot first player with an insane shot, yes please

Hes been compared to Virtanen, but I think Virtanen was a headcase who refused to put the work in. Tippet seems smarter and have a better head on his shoulders

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Well if Ryan Poeling is available at 22 that's my pick, i think. Mind you hes been ranked from as high as 9 to as low as 21
Lots of pick shuffling at the draft this year i think with the prospects being so close
What I really like about us being in our draft position is the amount of possible potential players we could end up drafting in the 1st round.

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Don't you think JAD would complement our guys just as good, or better, than Yamamoto? I feel like especially for a player like McDavid having these straight north/south guys who play a simple game yet has very good speed (and skill) would suit him the best. Dolan seems to have a pretty good shot too so all he really has to do on that line is to get open for McDavid's passes. Sort of the same thing with Draisaitl, although I think he works well with both styles. I feel like McDavid doesn't really mesh well with "fancy dan's" like Eberle and I think Yamamoto to an extent falls into that category too. Yamamoto would probably be better suited with Draisaitl. Imagine a JAD-McDavid-Pulju line though, that speed
I just think JAD will end up at centre. He should play there.

On top of that Yamamoto is so damn smart. He can finish just as well as he can pass, he is the perfect fit for McDavid. So damn smart.

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Chytil seems to be a riser on a lot of rankings. As he should be.

If both Tippett and Tolvanen are there at #22, who do you take?
I'd have to go with Tippett. Too much upside. I'd consider Hague too.

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Another guy that Tippett reminds me of is Emerson Etem.

Red flags are to much for me even at 22. However, there is a chance he becomes a superstar, so at 22 the chance may be to hard to pass up. I just think there will be better options available.

The faller that would intrigue me most is Liljegren. Perfect fit for us.

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Strictly speaking about forwards...

Who do you choose between Tippett and Vesalainen, if both are available?
Who would you rather take a risk on between Yamamoto vs Kostin?
Which center is a better fit for us? Thomas, Poehling, Norris, or Dolan?
If you were to trade down, who would it be for? (Lind, Boqvist, Chytil, etc)

Between players with red flags Tolvanen (not great defensively, cheats for offense, not involved physically; not a great team guy but has offensive potential) vs Robertson (solid player, great offensive potential, but foot speed is a major issue) who do you prefer?

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Tolvanen is starting to have some red flags for me. But Id jump on Tippett pretty fast. Size and 44 goals, thats tough to pass up. Guy is a shoot first player with an insane shot, yes please

Hes been compared to Virtanen, but I think Virtanen was a headcase who refused to put the work in. Tippet seems smarter and have a better head on his shoulders
Don't worry Tolvanen's red-flags he won't be available for Oilers range.

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Strictly speaking about forwards...

Who do you choose between Tippett and Vesalainen, if both are available?
Who would you rather take a risk on between Yamamoto vs Kostin?
Which center is a better fit for us? Thomas, Poehling, Norris, or Dolan?
If you were to trade down, who would it be for? (Lind, Boqvist, Chytil, etc)

Between players with red flags Tolvanen (not great defensively, cheats for offense, not involved physically; not a great team guy but has offensive potential) vs Robertson (solid player, great offensive potential, but foot speed is a major issue) who do you prefer?
Vesalainen.

Yamamoto.

JAD

I like all three, Chytil the most.

Robertson.

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Strictly speaking about forwards...

Who do you choose between Tippett and Vesalainen, if both are available?
Who would you rather take a risk on between Yamamoto vs Kostin?
Which center is a better fit for us? Thomas, Poehling, Norris, or Dolan?
If you were to trade down, who would it be for? (Lind, Boqvist, Chytil, etc)

Between players with red flags Tolvanen (not great defensively, cheats for offense, not involved physically; not a great team guy but has offensive potential) vs Robertson (solid player, great offensive potential, but foot speed is a major issue) who do you prefer?
Tippett
Kostin
Poehling
Chytil from your list, but not a big fan of trading down....yet. Have to see how the draft unfolds.

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Yeah. It definitely isn't just a thing on HFboards.

Basically every scouting report out there on Tippett will tell you he's very much a north-south goalscorer who struggles to slow the game down and use his teammates.
NHL Central Scouting analysis: "A natural goal-scorer who is extremely dangerous when attacking with speed. Possesses an excellent release, while also displaying the vision and passing ability to create offense for his teammates, making him very difficult to defend."

Quite literally taken from the NHL site:

https://www.nhl.com/news/comparing-t...rs/c-288304238

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Strictly speaking about forwards...

Who do you choose between Tippett and Vesalainen, if both are available?
Who would you rather take a risk on between Yamamoto vs Kostin?
Which center is a better fit for us? Thomas, Poehling, Norris, or Dolan?
If you were to trade down, who would it be for? (Lind, Boqvist, Chytil, etc)

Between players with red flags Tolvanen (not great defensively, cheats for offense, not involved physically; not a great team guy but has offensive potential) vs Robertson (solid player, great offensive potential, but foot speed is a major issue) who do you prefer?
Tippett.
Yamamoto.
Thomas. Then maybe Norris or Dolan. Poehling is a home run possibility but don't know if the offence is there.
Chytil I guess. I like Lind and Boqvist too.

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Strictly speaking about forwards...

Who do you choose between Tippett and Vesalainen, if both are available?
Who would you rather take a risk on between Yamamoto vs Kostin?
Which center is a better fit for us? Thomas, Poehling, Norris, or Dolan?
If you were to trade down, who would it be for? (Lind, Boqvist, Chytil, etc)

Between players with red flags Tolvanen (not great defensively, cheats for offense, not involved physically; not a great team guy but has offensive potential) vs Robertson (solid player, great offensive potential, but foot speed is a major issue) who do you prefer?
Tippet, need some shooters on this team and he is RW so that addresses a weakness
Yamamoto, His size is concerning but Kostin is to risky has a high bust factor
Norris, Has the best potential Poehling i realize is to safe and Dolan=Nuge, Not a bad thing but willing to take more risk for more upside
Wouldnt but to pick one one of the top 5 D if they slid
Tolvanen, he might even be worth trading up for

In the end i would try and move 22 to Nash for 30 and 61 and grab two prospects, use a 3rd to add to a 2nd if we seen a player slipping like Lind in Buttons list

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Lias Andersson fell to me and Soli over in the Mod Board mock draft.

I would be pretty pumped with that outcome in the real draft.

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Lias Andersson fell to me and Soli over in the Mod Board mock draft.

I would be pretty pumped with that outcome in the real draft.
Same. It's the one guy I'm secretly hoping will fall. Terrific player. Him or Liljegren at #22 would be money. Much rather have either of those over Tippett and Tolvanen to be honest.

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RW depth could really get a shot in the arm if we get Foo in FA and Yam/Tolvenan/etc in the draft. Add that to Puljujarvi and things are looking good

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I'm really enjoying reading all of these names and not knowing the first damn thing about them. Such a great thing to have a year where I didn't pay attention to the draft class at all.

Also means I have no chance of being personally disappointed with the pick.

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I'm really enjoying reading all of these names and not knowing the first damn thing about them. Such a great thing to have a year where I didn't pay attention to the draft class at all.

Also means I have no chance of being personally disappointed with the pick.
This is where good teams get separated from elite ones. If we could pick a future top 2 line player, in 3 years we could get a major boost.

Its the opposite for me Love this draft going in with so much unknown. In the past it was like "Ok Hall, ok RNH, ok Yak or Murray, ok McDavid". Even last year I was so amped with JP fell. If a good player fell to us this year, ill be more pumped then 2010-2015

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In a way this draft will be a lot more interesting to watch as there are so many more guys the Oilers could potentially pick at 22, honestly they could pick any of a half dozen guys in that range and I would be happy with it.

My worries come from the fear that they would pull a Niinimaki and go completely off the board and pick some dude ranked in the 50-60 range because one of their scouts was "really passionate" about him. That's how you get stuck with selections such as Mitch Moroz or Cameron Abney.

Still, it's gonna be a fun day.

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In a way this draft will be a lot more interesting to watch as there are so many more guys the Oilers could potentially pick at 22, honestly they could pick any of a half dozen guys in that range and I would be happy with it.

My worries come from the fear that they would pull a Niinimaki and go completely off the board and pick some dude ranked in the 50-60 range because one of their scouts was "really passionate" about him. That's how you get stuck with selections such as Mitch Moroz or Cameron Abney.

Still, it's gonna be a fun day.
Im worried about a Mark Jankowski type pick myself. I fear it even more because we dont have a 2nd round pick. So if scouts really like a 45-65 "concensus" pick, they might be "forced" to take him 22nd. Although id hope for a trade down in that situation

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Just bought the HockeyProspect.com Black Book. Wow what a great read that is. I'm not sure if we're actually allowed to talk about the content on here or not? Anyways, so much information about different prospects, especially interesting to get a look at the less known names, and what scouts think of some of the mid-late first rounders. Seems like guys really like Yamamoto despite his size, and really like Foote as well which I thought was interesting based on the mixed opinions of those players on this site. I get the feeling that skating is the most important aspect of a player's game for the pro scouts, followed by overall hockey sense.

If you really like prospects its worth the 40 bucks imo.

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Just bought the HockeyProspect.com Black Book. Wow what a great read that is. I'm not sure if we're actually allowed to talk about the content on here or not? Anyways, so much information about different prospects, especially interesting to get a look at the less known names, and what scouts think of some of the mid-late first rounders. Seems like guys really like Yamamoto despite his size, and really like Foote as well which I thought was interesting based on the mixed opinions of those players on this site. I get the feeling that skating is the most important aspect of a player's game for the pro scouts, followed by overall hockey sense.

If you really like prospects its worth the 40 bucks imo.
I believe you're allowed to talk about it and even share small write-ups about players, but you're not allowed to post full rankings and/or too many write-ups.

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Didn't have much time to sort through the thread, but curious to see Yamamoto winning the poll. This team is really desperate for a centre in the organization and I really believe it would be foolish to pass on one at 22 barring someone great falling, especially considering they don't have a 2nd round pick. Yamamoto is fun to watch, I completely get the intrigue from a fan POV, but considering this organization is likely going to have to trade RNH after next season for cap purposes and has nobody on the way....it's not as if you don't have other ways to fill that hole but if we've learned anything here the last 10 years it's that you shouldn't depend on free agency and trades.

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Didn't have much time to sort through the thread, but curious to see Yamamoto winning the poll. This team is really desperate for a centre in the organization and I really believe it would be foolish to pass on one at 22 barring someone great falling, especially considering they don't have a 2nd round pick. Yamamoto is fun to watch, I completely get the intrigue from a fan POV, but considering this organization is likely going to have to trade RNH after next season for cap purposes and has nobody on the way....it's not as if you don't have other ways to fill that hole but if we've learned anything here the last 10 years it's that you shouldn't depend on free agency and trades.
Agreed.

Center depth, especially right shooting center depth, is this teams #1 weakness. Also in general an extremely important position.

I will be disappointed if we use a first rounder and do not select the best available center. So done with wingers and left shooting defensemen. If not a center at least a right shooting defenseman, or a true elite goaltending prospect. The Oilers have not had one of those since Dub.

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Not sure how center depth is a team weakness. Maybe at the prospect level it is. But at the NHL level we have the very real possibility of running McDavid-LD-RNH and run a 3 scoring line system (so not having that traditional crash and bang third line). All those 3 are still very young and could be our center depth for a long time

Not to mention, with the 22nd pick your intention is to get a top 6 player, not a 3rd line center. We are set for top 2 centers, but lack top 6 wingers long term

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My worries come from the fear that they would pull a Niinimaki and go completely off the board and pick some dude ranked in the 50-60 range because one of their scouts was "really passionate" about him. That's how you get stuck with selections such as Mitch Moroz or Cameron Abney.
I read somewhere that the Oilers revamped their scouting process to avoid a Niinimaki situation again.

Every scout crosses over to watch potential first round picks. So the first round will be very consensus based.

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