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06-08-2017, 02:25 AM
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Ticket revenue for every team

Is there any info about this?

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Team Revenue per Game Year
Montréal Canadiens $2,000,000 2011
Toronto Maple Leafs ~$2,000,000 2011
Toronto Maple Leafs $1,900,000 2008
Montréal Canadiens ~$1,900,000 2008
Vancouver Canucks $1,700,000 2011
New York Rangers $1,600,000 2011
Toronto Maple Leafs $1,500,000 2007
Vancouver Canucks ~$1,400,000 2008
New York Rangers ~$1,300,000 2008
Edmonton Oilers $1,200,000 2008
Ottawa Senators $1,200,000 2008
Pittsburgh Penguins $1,100,000 2011
Boston Bruins $1,100,000 2011
Chicago Blackhawks $1,100,000 2011
Washington Capitals $1,000,000 2011
Dallas Stars $950,000 2008
Boston Bruins ~$800,000 2008
Pittsburgh Penguins ~$800,000 2008
Dallas Stars $660,000 2011
Florida Panthers <$600,000 2008
New York Islanders <$600,000 2008
St. Louis Blues <$600,000 2008
Atlanta Thrashers <$600,000 2008
Washington Capitals ~$550,000 2008
Chicago Blackhawks $500,000 2008
Phoenix Coyotes $450,000 2008
Phoenix Coyotes $420,000 2011
New York Islanders $392,000 2011
Atlanta Thrashers <$392,000 2011

2008: https://www.thestar.com/sports/hocke...ean_money.html

2011: https://www.thestar.com/sports/hocke...in_canada.html

There was an associated list of all 30 teams published with each of these articles but I guess that part was never put up online. If you need the complete data, the Toronto Reference Library probably has the newspapers from those dates on file. Otherwise, I did my best on the information included in the articles: '~' is approximately, used when I back-calculated the growth from the percentages in the 2012 article (ex. PIT saw a 38% increase between 2008-2011); "<" is less than the number shown. The 2008 article lists a bunch of teams that make up less than half of the Oilers and Sens revenue and the 2012 article states that the Thrashers were last in the league.

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https://www.forbes.com/nhl-valuations/#2354c6b21b2e. All I could find.

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The average price for Chicago Blackhawks season tickets next season will be twice as much as it was in 2009, the year before the team won the first of three Stanley Cups in six seasons.

The team notified season ticket holders late last week that prices will rise by an average of 4 percent, the eighth-consecutive year the team has raised its season ticket prices.

That will bring the average to nearly $94 for Hawks games at the United Center, based on Team Marketing Report's most recent Fan Cost Index.

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Single-game ticket prices will be revealed at a later date.
For fun, let's just use that the average ticket price of $94 as the price for every ticket in the building (this is on the lower end, as single game tickets are more expensive). And the per game average this year was 21,751 (http://www.espn.com/nhl/attendance)

21,751*94= $2,044,594 per game
*41 = $83,828,354 for the season

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Really rough for the Jets. Average in 2011 was $84. Tickets have increased 17.5% since then so $98.70. This is slightly conservative since they added 100 seats or so that are the second highest priced in the building. Capacity is 15294 so on average they pull in $1.5 M per game.

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For fun, let's just use that the average ticket price of $94 as the price for every ticket in the building (this is on the lower end, as single game tickets are more expensive). And the per game average this year was 21,751 (http://www.espn.com/nhl/attendance)

21,751*94= $2,044,594 per game
*41 = $83,828,354 for the season
Hm. Nice. That means, they covered all the salaries with their gate income.

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Really rough for the Jets. Average in 2011 was $84. Tickets have increased 17.5% since then so $98.70. This is slightly conservative since they added 100 seats or so that are the second highest priced in the building. Capacity is 15294 so on average they pull in $1.5 M per game.
The Jets cannot really charge much more, or fans will revolt. You are talking about a blue collar city with 800,000 in the metro area. As it is, a big percentage of season ticket holders split the tickets and keep it in the family, since they could not otherwise afford to go to all 41 games.

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The seven Canadian teams are charging Canadian dollars, so factor in an exchange rate of $0.74 USD for every $1.00 CAD

Which is effectively why the Nordiques aren't part of the expansion draft.

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The seven Canadian teams are charging Canadian dollars, so factor in an exchange rate of $0.74 USD for every $1.00 CAD
The exchange rate isn't static - 5 years ago the currencies were pretty much in parity (in fact CAD>USD at the time a STH might have been paying the invoice).

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Really rough for the Jets. Average in 2011 was $84. Tickets have increased 17.5% since then so $98.70. This is slightly conservative since they added 100 seats or so that are the second highest priced in the building. Capacity is 15294 so on average they pull in $1.5 M per game.
is this in Canadian or US dollars?

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The Jets cannot really charge much more, or fans will revolt. You are talking about a blue collar city with 800,000 in the metro area. As it is, a big percentage of season ticket holders split the tickets and keep it in the family, since they could not otherwise afford to go to all 41 games.
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is this in Canadian or US dollars?
It's a dilemma. In 2011, USD and CAD were about on par but now USD is 30+% stronger. Since players are paid in USD and ticket revenues are in CAD (not sure about other revenues), ticket prices haven't kept up with salaries. Of course STHs shouldn't be expected to see it that way. Hopefully the Jets managed to hedge that risk.

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How it looks like in Toronto? I heard, that it is very hard to go to the game, if you arent a season ticket owner. And that it is very expensive.

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For fun, let's just use that the average ticket price of $94 as the price for every ticket in the building (this is on the lower end, as single game tickets are more expensive). And the per game average this year was 21,751 (http://www.espn.com/nhl/attendance)

21,751*94= $2,044,594 per game
*41 = $83,828,354 for the season
Don't forget pre-season + playoffs

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It's a dilemma. In 2011, USD and CAD were about on par but now USD is 30+% stronger. Since players are paid in USD and ticket revenues are in CAD (not sure about other revenues), ticket prices haven't kept up with salaries. Of course STHs shouldn't be expected to see it that way. Hopefully the Jets managed to hedge that risk.
The Rogers / NHL 12 year deal signed in 2013 was also in CAD. It was supposed to be worth about twice the amount of the NBC deal when it was signed. The low CAD affects the entire league (of course Canadian team moreso) - there are some offsetting costs but it's overall mostly not a positive thing for the league.

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How it looks like in Toronto? I heard, that it is very hard to go to the game, if you arent a season ticket owner. And that it is very expensive.
It's cheaper for people from Toronto to drive down to Detroit, get a hotel and buy great center ice seats to watch the Leafs play Detroit in comparison to buying some above average seats on stub hub and watching them play at home.

Gotta admire their dedication.

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It's cheaper for people from Toronto to drive down to Detroit, get a hotel and buy great center ice seats to watch the Leafs play Detroit in comparison to buying some above average seats on stub hub and watching them play at home.

Gotta admire their dedication.
And can you tell me the numbers?

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I have been told that the Bruins gross for Level's 4 and 7 is $1.6 mil a game and TD Garden gets another 700K per game for Level's 5,6 and 9.

Jacobs can do voodoo accounting easily as he owns the Bruins and Delaware North owns TD Garden but it's all in the family.

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