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03-26-2006, 10:42 PM
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European fighters

hey guys, im actually asking about this for academic purposes. im writin a paper about the unfair label European players get as being soft.

can u guys think of some European fighters in the league right now?

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did you not see alex kovalev drop the gloves with tucker last night??

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hey guys, im actually asking about this for academic purposes. im writin a paper about the unfair label European players get as being soft.

can u guys think of some European fighters in the league right now?
Chara is tough, Nazarov is the only enforcer I can think of in recent memory.

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did you not see alex kovalev drop the gloves with tucker last night??
yeah i already included that. im sayin how there are many euros who will stick up for themselves and teammates when necessary....... can u think of any guys that consistantly fight? ruutu? who else?

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Chara is tough, Nazarov is the only enforcer I can think of in recent memory.
nazarov--thanks. what team does he play on?

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I think Minnesota signed Nazarov over the summer but I don't know if he has played in the NHL at all this year.

Also there's a guy named Ivanans on Montreal who's played a bit this year and I think he's European.

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what class is this for, sounds like a good class if you can write about hockey

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nazarov--thanks. what team does he play on?
I don't believe he has a current team

I don't really consider Ruutu a fighter, he's more of a pest.

Hossa and Markov are more Euro's that play with an edge

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Kaspar!

He's def. not soft

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what class is this for, sounds like a good class if you can write about hockey
its a WRT class. writing class- i had the liberty of writing a research paper of anythin i wanted except i had to choose something that refelected a major issue. i talked about dicrmination/race/nationality.

-my paper thus is on how there is discrimination against white players in NBA and Euros in hockey,etc.

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Boris Valabik's a fighter if you want to expand to the juniors

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Krysztof??? Oliwa was raised in Poland. I think the Habs had a kid named Ivanans who was european. I think that stigma exists from the days wqhen NHL teams had to pay large "release" fees to the plyers european teams in order to get the rights to the player. It just wasn't worth the money to bring a guy over for the sole purpose of fighting when you could get a guy from here to do it cheaper. Have you ever watched the worlds strongest man competition? There are a ton of big strong guys in Europe, it's not like they are not capable of being strong or aggressive. The league just doesn't go out of its way to bring them over.

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Krysztof??? Oliwa was raised in Poland. I think the Habs had a kid named Ivanans who was european. I think that stigma exists from the days wqhen NHL teams had to pay large "release" fees to the plyers european teams in order to get the rights to the player. It just wasn't worth the money to bring a guy over for the sole purpose of fighting when you could get a guy from here to do it cheaper. Have you ever watched the worlds strongest man competition? There are a ton of big strong guys in Europe, it's not like they are not capable of being strong or aggressive. The league just doesn't go out of its way to bring them over.
Ronald Petrovicky, Ruslan Salei, Kasper, Varada, D.Markov are some of the tough euro

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My first thought was Oliwa too. Sounds like a fun paper (if there is such a thing).

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Zenon Konopka of Anaheim.


yea I wish Sather signed him. He is a pest with skill.

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I wish Slats had signed him just for his name!

Sami Helenius was an enforcer when he was in the league. Probably the Finn with the least hockey sense ever to play in the NHL (paging Aki!).

Something to note is that while here in North America, we respect fighters, for a lot of people Europe, fights are not considered a respectable part of the game at all. A guy like Jarkko Ruutu or Kaspar can turtle because as far as they're conserned, the guy who drops the gloves looses.

An interesting side-bar to this is the rise in fighting in the SM-Liiga, where it is still illegal, but seemingly becoming more common. The Finnish posters can tell you if this is a fact, or just something I've read about that's not true.

In the meantime, here's a web-article (it's all in Flash) from Helsingin Sanomat's English edition from back in 2000 about a guy from HIFK who got into a big fight. Might give you some perspective.
http://www2.helsinginsanomat.fi/engl...tonen2001.html

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Kovalov did fight Tucker but complained after that the referees should be protecting players. This is the soccer culture.

Historically the game developed in two different ways. Fighting was always permitted in North America as a safety valve but it was considered bad form to engage in it until Conn Smythe elevated it to a tactic. He is famous for the statement, "If you can't beat them in the alley, you can't beat them on the ice."

In Europe hockey took the lead of soccer and I think even today fighting is not allowed in their leagues so the players don't grow up thinking they have to duke it out every now and then as part of the game.

The Finns seem to take to the rough stuff more naturally than the others.

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Agree about the above. And there is really no reason for an NHL club to sign a European fighter if they would find some one since they could easy found some one just as good in their own back yard who already are adjusted to the north american game.

And it is getting more common in the SEL as well. Love it when there is a fight and the home teams player get an standing ovation.

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I think Minnesota signed Nazarov over the summer but I don't know if he has played in the NHL at all this year.

Also there's a guy named Ivanans on Montreal who's played a bit this year and I think he's European.
Yeah, Ivanāns is latvian and was involved in a big fight against Chara this season.

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Not a fighter but Tomas Holstrom on the Wings is one helluva gritty guy ... Vlad Konstantinov before him too ...

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J.Fisher from Red Wings would never mind dropping the gloves, I believe he seated many NHL heavyweights and virtually smacked the -beep- out of Aki Berg during some pre-WT game, ironically, it was Aki Berg who dropped the gloves and went after Jiri, who, with a relaxed smile released only three punches that made Berg fall on his butt like an offspring, the fight lasted about 5 seconds, afterwards, Aki Berg just sat on the ice looking like he had a major hangover

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have we all forgotten tomas kloucek? he did not mind dropping the gloves at all, he was not a tough guy or an enforcer, but before he got hurt he had at least 3-4 fights and i cant remember who he pummeled at the rangers devil game i was at because at the time some ranger fan was getting in a fight with multiple devil fans and i felt a need to at least walk over there and make sure it wasnt 3 on 1

but regardless kloucek could fight

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Not a fighter but Tomas Holstrom on the Wings is one helluva gritty guy ... Vlad Konstantinov before him too ...
hey, very true, Konstantinov used to be an animal before that car accident, especially his bodychecking was insane

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