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View Poll Results: Who will Vegas select from the Avs?
Pickard 69 57.50%
Nieto 5 4.17%
Andrighetto 4 3.33%
Barberio 7 5.83%
Comeau 8 6.67%
Soderberg 8 6.67%
Colborne 4 3.33%
Grigorenko 10 8.33%
Grimaldi 4 3.33%
Other 1 0.83%
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06-15-2017, 12:37 PM
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Now that Beauch has been bought out. I'd personally watch what the Flames do carefully before figuring out who to expose. If they pick up Smith, then the Avs can pretty much expose Varlamov with absolutely no risk of him getting selected. Then go with a 7-3-1 split.

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Grimaldi (I mean why not)
______ (don't care)

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Picks

I don't think Barberio is worth signing one of the depth guys for another year.
Sakic is not a gambling man.

I believe those earlier reports. No matter what happens, Varly will be protected...

But IMO that Beauch buyout makes a Picks deal more realistic...

I mean I am as glad as everyone else that Beauch is gone but why buy out Beauch right away if Vegas takes Picks anyways?

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06-15-2017, 12:41 PM
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Sakic is not a gambling man.

I believe those earlier reports. No matter what happens, Varly will be protected...

But IMO that Beauch buyout makes a Picks deal more realistic...

I mean I am as glad as everyone else that Beauch is gone but why buy out Beauch right away if Vegas takes Picks anyways?
I personally don't think Picks is taken by Vegas, they'll get Fleury and Grubauer as there 1 and 2 no need for another goalie like Picks.

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06-15-2017, 12:43 PM
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I personally don't think Picks is taken by Vegas, they'll get Fleury and Grubauer as there 1 and 2 no need for another goalie like Picks.
Friedman said a few weeks ago that teams see value in Pickard, especially with his contract. Looking at who else is available from Colorado it would make total sense that they take Pickard with the sole intention of flipping him for a draft pick. Nobody else from the Avs exposed list is worth that.

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06-15-2017, 01:50 PM
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With Fleury willing to waive the Aves can easily expose Varly. Vegas won't be stupid enough to pick two high salary goalies and risk not being able to more Varly.

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06-15-2017, 01:55 PM
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With Fleury willing to waive the Aves can easily expose Varly. Vegas won't be stupid enough to pick two high salary goalies and risk not being able to more Varly.
It won't be a "risk" of not being able to move Varly. Once Vegas sees the protection lists it's not like they have to fill out the paper work in a dark room by themselves immediately. They have a few days to get it done. They'll look at some of the names available and have conversations with other teams about their interests. If for example Varlamov is available I'm sure Vegas will have a conversation with a team like Calgary about him. Perhaps Calgary offers a high draft pick if Vegas are willing to retain 50% on him.

There's no risk. Vegas will know what those potential flips will return before they select them. If there's no interest from other teams on those goalies/players that vegas has no intention of using, they will simply choose somebody else.

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06-15-2017, 02:10 PM
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It won't be a "risk" of not being able to move Varly. Once Vegas sees the protection lists it's not like they have to fill out the paper work in a dark room by themselves immediately. They have a few days to get it done. They'll look at some of the names available and have conversations with other teams about their interests. If for example Varlamov is available I'm sure Vegas will have a conversation with a team like Calgary about him. Perhaps Calgary offers a high draft pick if Vegas are willing to retain 50% on him.

There's no risk. Vegas will know what those potential flips will return before they select them. If there's no interest from other teams on those goalies/players that vegas has no intention of using, they will simply choose somebody else.
I doubt they get an agreement in place with a team like the Flames. They might get some expression of interest but nothing solid. So vegas would pass on taking him.

I can't see a team committing themselves to trading for a guy like Varlamov.

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06-15-2017, 02:12 PM
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I doubt they get an agreement in place with a team like the Flames. They might get some expression of interest but nothing solid. So vegas would pass on taking him.

I can't see a team committing themselves to trading for a guy like Varlamov.
And if that's the case Vegas wont take him. I didn't quote you because I think teams are lining up to take Varlamov. I'm quoting you because you said Vegas wont risk being stuck with him. There's no chance that happens. They'll know whether or not they'd be stuck with him before making a decision.

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Calgary is really the only team that would take a shot at Varly... and I'd put the chances at that happening as pretty low. They are keyed in on Smith.

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06-15-2017, 02:41 PM
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And if that's the case Vegas wont take him. I didn't quote you because I think teams are lining up to take Varlamov. I'm quoting you because you said Vegas wont risk being stuck with him. There's no chance that happens. They'll know whether or not they'd be stuck with him before making a decision.
I don't think they would know. They would be in a position where they think they might be able to flip Varlamov to Calgary but have no guarantee.

Vegas won't know for certain they can move him. But there is no 100% certainty they are stuck with him either. So it's a risk taking him. A risk they will pass on.

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06-15-2017, 05:07 PM
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I don't think they would know. They would be in a position where they think they might be able to flip Varlamov to Calgary but have no guarantee.

Vegas won't know for certain they can move him. But there is no 100% certainty they are stuck with him either. So it's a risk taking him. A risk they will pass on.
Do you think Calgary would lie to them? How would they not know if they ask?

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MacKinnon - Landeskog - Duchene - Andrighetto - Nieto - Comeau - Grigorenko

Zadorov - Johnson - Barrie

Pickard
That basically would leave Las Vegas picking between Soderberg, Colborne, Barberio, and Varlamov. As someone mentioned, if Fleury goes to LV, there's no way they'd touch Varlamov (because of his huge salary).

The above situation would literally make it possible that LV takes Soderberg, which would be a dream.

See? Being horrible does have it's perks.

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That basically would leave Las Vegas picking between Soderberg, Colborne, Barberio, and Varlamov. As someone mentioned, if Fleury goes to LV, there's no way they'd touch Varlamov (because of his huge salary).

The above situation would literally make it possible that LV takes Soderberg, which would be a dream.

See? Being horrible does have it's perks.
or instead of adding all that salary on a player with a disappointing year. Pick a guy who is cheap and played in the top four. Don't look for lv to take him unless they want to add salary

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That basically would leave Las Vegas picking between Soderberg, Colborne, Barberio, and Varlamov. As someone mentioned, if Fleury goes to LV, there's no way they'd touch Varlamov (because of his huge salary).

The above situation would literally make it possible that LV takes Soderberg, which would be a dream.

See? Being horrible does have it's perks.
They don't have to take any of those guys. They could take a pending UFA or an AHL player if they don't want that garbage.

I won't be surprised if they pick a guy like Grimaldi and move on with life.

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06-16-2017, 04:08 PM
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It occurred to me that two of Soderberg, colborne and Comeau have to be exposed to meet the exposure requirement. So even going 7-3 the Avs can't protect them

That's all...carry on

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It occurred to me that two of Soderberg, colborne and Comeau have to be exposed to meet the exposure requirement. So even going 7-3 the Avs can't protect them

That's all...carry on


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You have to leave Soderberg unprotected and pray Vegas takes him (they won't). I'm sure he'll take it positively though and work even harder to prove them wrong.


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It occurred to me that two of Soderberg, colborne and Comeau have to be exposed to meet the exposure requirement. So even going 7-3 the Avs can't protect them

That's all...carry on
MacK, Landy, Duchene, Nieto, Ghetto, Grigorenko, Comeau. 7F, leaves Soderberg and Colborne exposed under contract.

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You have to leave Soderberg unprotected and pray Vegas takes him (they won't). I'm sure he'll take is positively though and work even harder to prove them wrong.
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I e been impressed with Vegas' preparation. Of course what else have they been doing the last year but it takes a ton of planning to be this detailed. I'd pay to listen to these tropes of breakdowns.

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Is the idea of going 7 + 3 now to force Vegas to take Soderberg or Comeau/Colborne? Because that's somewhat smart if Sakic is actually doing that but my guess is that Vegas would then just draft Barbeiro.

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Like said before, Vegas can't be forced into taking a bad contract. It cannot be done.

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LV is going to be competitive, they could make the PO if they wanted, and they are going to stockpile more assets than any expansion team in history. They did pay through the nose for that however.

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No matter what Avs can't risk Vegas taking Varlamov. That would leave them with Pickard as their NHL goalie.

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You protect Varly IF you are sure he's going to be healthy.

BTW does LV have access to the medical records of the players exposed?

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You protect Varly IF you are sure he's going to be healthy.

BTW does LV have access to the medical records of the players exposed?
They 99% know the type of surgery Varly has had and how much it helps a goalie.

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