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06-13-2017, 07:03 AM
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Unless Bylsma has a time machine he isn't the cause of Bogosians many many problems. From being utterly unreliable to stay healthy to terrible contract to low IQ.

None of that is changeable.

It can however be subtracted.

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06-13-2017, 07:10 AM
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I wonder how people who demand a better defense can honestly justify continuing on with Bogosian. You're lying to yourself one way or the other.

Even if he returned to the mythical pre Bylsma player...he's not good enough to be top 4 on a good team

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I wonder how people who demand a better defense can honestly justify continuing on with Bogosian. You're lying to yourself one way or the other.

Even if he returned to the mythical pre Bylsma player...he's not good enough to be top 4 on a good team
So he's a 3rd pairing veteran on a team with a bunch of young defense in the top-4 that's looking to be Guhle, Risto, McCabe, Antipin barring a major shake-up. Not an ideal contract situation with Bogo, but it isn't a black-hole like Ennis' or Moulson's.

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06-13-2017, 07:49 AM
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Bogo is going to be so much better next year.
I agree - especially if Housley is our coach.

Some of the Bogo hate is pretty irrational to the point of being personal.

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06-13-2017, 07:56 AM
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I wonder how people who demand a better defense can honestly justify continuing on with Bogosian. You're lying to yourself one way or the other.

Even if he returned to the mythical pre Bylsma player...he's not good enough to be top 4 on a good team
Why bother getting deep into who is more worthless between Bogosian, Gorges, Moulson and Ennis? If they could all get kicked to the curb without cap implications they'd be gone months ago. The best we can hope is that one of those contracts goes to LV. Arguing over which one should stay/go isn't exactly "justifying" anything about them, but simply trying to choose the least stinky turd out of a pile.

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06-13-2017, 08:08 AM
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I would keep Bogosian , he regressed last year , at the end of 2015-2016 season he was coming around rushing the puck up ice taking shots , I think of all the undesirables we have he could be helped the most by a revamped D style especially if we pick up another defense-man that could possibly break the top four, that would give us a solid 5 D-men and then Bogo , his physical presence would be tough to replace.

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06-13-2017, 08:10 AM
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He didn't look good before Bylsma. On two different teams.

The short sightedness of people is incredible. You aren't going to want him and his contract in this team in the future,

The future is now.
Please post your complete protected list.

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06-13-2017, 08:13 AM
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Bogosian has talent, Gorges only has one year left so his cap hit isn't very detrimental. The contracts everyone should be looking to move are Moulson/Ennis. By far those two hinder us the most in the short term.

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06-13-2017, 08:22 AM
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This really shouldn't be "controversial"

Fowards:

O'Reilly
Kane
Okposo
Girgensons
Larsson
Carrier
Foligno

D:

Risto
McCabe
Bogosian

G:

Lehner

Now, if we can pick up another D-man, Bogosian's contract should keep him protected, but as we have no 'valuable' assets to protect, might as well protect Bogo. Both Moulson and Ennis are producing well below their contracts. Lehner is still our starting goalie and Ullmark is unproven.

We will see what happens. I think we'll see quite a few deals done in the next week.

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06-13-2017, 08:24 AM
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This really shouldn't be "controversial"

Fowards:

O'Reilly
Kane
Okposo
Girgensons
Larsson
Carrier
Foligno

D:

Risto
McCabe
Bogosian

G:

Lehner
Barring any changes to our roster before expansion, I'm certain this will be our exact list.

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06-13-2017, 09:54 AM
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Barring any changes to our roster before expansion, I'm certain this will be our exact list.
I'm not 100% certain. There's some non-zero probability/worry for me that the Sabres don't value Carrier as much and leave him unprotected for some stupid reason. Seen him left exposed in too many mocks.

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06-13-2017, 10:00 AM
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I'm not 100% certain. There's some non-zero probability/worry for me that the Sabres don't value Carrier as much and leave him unprotected for some stupid reason. Seen him left exposed in too many mocks.
In favor of who though...I guess it becomes a question of whether they want to give Ennis one more chance or not.

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The only people I see leaving Carrier exposed seem to still think that Tyler 2 is still a contributor.

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The only people I see leaving Carrier exposed seem to still think that Tyler 2 is still a contributor.
AKA nobody that should be taken seriously.

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And regarding Bogosian, are they picking up Enstrom? I'd like to see him bounce back, but he has been pretty terrible. I suppose the question is whether or not it's worthwhile to retain him at the salary he's being paid? An argument could probably be made either way. This morning I lean toward keeping him, but that changes like the weather.

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Unless Bylsma has a time machine he isn't the cause of Bogosians many many problems. From being utterly unreliable to stay healthy to terrible contract to low IQ.

None of that is changeable.

It can however be subtracted.
Don't you know that Bogo's struggles were all on Bylsma? lol

I'd rather have LV take him over Moulson or Ennis.

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06-13-2017, 12:11 PM
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Don't you know that Bogo's struggles were all on Bylsma? lol

I'd rather have LV take him over Moulson or Ennis.
I would rather they take he than Moulson, for sure, but we are in the minority.

I think there is credence to the idea that Bylsma's inability to structure a team for a game or group of games hindered Bogo a lot.

I also see repetitive mental mistakes, incorrect decisions, poor situational awareness, and a lack of intelligent physicality relative to what it should be. And what do we want him to be? Do we want him to fix his shortcomings in the neutral and defensive zones? Round out his game? Or do we want to shift him into a second pairing offensive role and let him loose to be the athletic blueliner he is on paper?

Housley would be a good captain to try and right the Bogo ship, but I'd much rather have someone else in a different organization take that chance and all that comes with it. I'd rather get another cheap lefty and more competition brought in to fight for a spot on the blueline.

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06-13-2017, 02:12 PM
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LV taking Moulson or Ennis is a gift. They are bad players on terrible contracts. Bogo isn't very good but he can be better with fewer minutes and better usages. (Ozone)

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Which protection model would you use?
7-3-1

Which forwards would you protect?
1) O'Reilly
2) Okposo
3) Kane
4) Larsson
5) Girgensons
6) Foligno
7) Carrier

Which defensemen would you protect?
1) Risto
2) McCabe
3) Bogosian

Which goaltender would you protect?
Lehner

Under your protection model, who do you think Vegas takes?
If solely based on Vegas' decision they take one of the ones that belong in the AHL.
If Buffalo intervenes and offers a draft pick to tell Vegas whom to select then it is Ennis

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I'm trying to send Ennis home to Alberta.

1. Ennis + to EDM for Ryan Mantha...

2. Ennis + to EDM for Mark Fayne (would need to waive NMC)...

What would the plus need to be to get EDM to bite on either of those?

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06-13-2017, 04:36 PM
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I'm trying to send Ennis home to Alberta.

1. Ennis + to EDM for Ryan Mantha...

2. Ennis + to EDM for Mark Fayne (would need to waive NMC)...

What would the plus need to be to get EDM to bite on either of those?
Ennis doesn't fit the Oilers style at all...they go after lucic, maroon, kassian and then...ennis? I don't really see it myself.

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I wonder how people who demand a better defense can honestly justify continuing on with Bogosian. You're lying to yourself one way or the other.

Even if he returned to the mythical pre Bylsma player...he's not good enough to be top 4 on a good team
If it's worth anything I'm with you and have made the point on these forums previously. I'm totally done with him.

Sabres ideal scenario is LV taking Bogo - not MM or Ennis.

He's on a more expensive, longer contract and probably even more crucially he takes up a more important roster place than the other 2.

Anyone who chooses to protect him is crazy IMO.

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06-13-2017, 06:48 PM
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This really shouldn't be "controversial"

Fowards:

O'Reilly
Kane
Okposo
Girgensons
Larsson
Carrier
Foligno

D:

Risto
McCabe
Bogosian

G:

Lehner

Now, if we can pick up another D-man, Bogosian's contract should keep him protected, but as we have no 'valuable' assets to protect, might as well protect Bogo. Both Moulson and Ennis are producing well below their contracts. Lehner is still our starting goalie and Ullmark is unproven.

We will see what happens. I think we'll see quite a few deals done in the next week.
Forwards:
Ryan O'Reilly
Evander Kane
Kyle Okposo
Johan Larsson
William Carrier
Marcus Foligno
Zemgus Girgensons

Defensemen:
Rasmus Ristolainen
Jake McCabe
Justin Falk

Goalie:
Linus Ulmark

Giving them the choice between: Ennis, Moulson, Bogosian, Lehner. Of thouse I think it's Ennis.

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06-13-2017, 07:59 PM
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I'm pretty confident Botts can unload Bogosian to another team via trade without needing to expose him in the draft, which is more than I can say for Moulson/Ennis (who might require sweeteners to compel other GMs to take one or both off our hands.) Why shed just one overpriced contract to Vegas when we could possibly shed two when all is said and done? Exposing Bogo makes little sense.


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