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06-17-2017, 08:41 AM
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If that is the price, I hope Botts just lets Vegas take who they want to take.
I think there's all kinds of left out stuff in that scenario. But...Clb really screwed themselves with cap problems that Buffalo doesn't have.

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I think there's all kinds of left out stuff in that scenario. But...Clb really screwed themselves with cap problems that Buffalo doesn't have.
It also appears that Vegas has one or two other deals involving a 1st rounder. Or, at least that was the hint I saw with the comment about Vegas having 3 1sts in the bank.

Not worth the price, IMO.

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Let them pick whoever and go from there.

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It also appears that Vegas has one or two other deals involving a 1st rounder. Or, at least that was the hint I saw with the comment about Vegas having 3 1sts in the bank.

Not worth the price, IMO.
If that's one of them, I would assume the other is LA. Just speculation on my part, but could totally see Gaborik or Brown going to Vegas in exchange for LA's 1st.

Good on Vegas for making long term deals as opposed to just getting together s group of "name players" who would struggle to finish 10th in the West

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Las Vegas would be taking Clarkson which will save them when extending Wennberg. But if they are letting Murray go for that, it's crazy. I want Murray cheap then!

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Let them pick whoever and go from there.
grammatically, it's "whomever", but yeah, I agree.

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With M A Fleury going to Vegas, you protect Ullmark. They will not take Lehner when all they now need is a back up. Ullmark at his salary will be taken by them if unprotected.

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With M A Fleury going to Vegas, you protect Ullmark. They will not take Lehner when all they now need is a back up. Ullmark at his salary will be taken by them if unprotected.
It is not for sure that MAF is takrn. Pitts will expose some other good players that Vegas may want. Its unlikely but may happen.

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With M A Fleury going to Vegas, you protect Ullmark. They will not take Lehner when all they now need is a back up. Ullmark at his salary will be taken by them if unprotected.
Vegas could always take Lehner and then trade him.

HOping GMJB has a deal with McPhee already done.

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It is not for sure that MAF is takrn. Pitts will expose some other good players that Vegas may want. Its unlikely but may happen.
Read Pierre LeBrun twitter.

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With M A Fleury going to Vegas, you protect Ullmark. They will not take Lehner when all they now need is a back up. Ullmark at his salary will be taken by them if unprotected.
Or they take Lehner and then trade him to another team in need of a starting goalie and we're left with no starter. Not a smart move.

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Vegas could always take Lehner and then trade him.

HOping GMJB has a deal with McPhee already done.
Lehner is look at around 4 million. He has no value

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Lehner is look at around 4 million. He has no value
I don't think that's true. He's got value.

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Lehner is look at around 4 million. He has no value
Yeah sure.

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Or they take Lehner and then trade him to another team in need of a starting goalie and we're left with no starter. Not a smart move.
I would roll with Ullmark and Nilsson. Sorry but calling Lehner a starter is even a stretch to me. He is average at best.

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I would roll with Ullmark and Nilsson. Sorry but calling Lehner a starter is even a stretch to me. He is average at best.
Guy proven to be a starter in the NHL vs guy with good/average numbers in the AHL. Yet Lehner isn't a starter. Nice.

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I would roll with Ullmark and Nilsson. Sorry but calling Lehner a starter is even a stretch to me. He is average at best.
He is a starter though and the numbers last year show that. Rolling with a career backup and a completely unproven prospect with meh #'s in the AHL is not a smart move. Lehner is a perfectly acceptable starter. Improve the defense and he's good enough to get us into the playoffs.

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Guy proven to be a starter in the NHL vs guy with good/average numbers in the AHL. Yet Lehner isn't a starter. Nice.
Every goalie for the 3 to 4 years have put up decent numbers on this conservative team. Sorry but I trust a guy like Biron. He is constantly ripping on Lehners techniques and position. I see how bad he is at shootouts and it scares me if we are going to be an aggressive team giving up more breakaways.

Just because a guy plays starter minutes doesn't mean he is starting goalie.

Ullmark won multiple goalie awards in Sweden. Played the most games in AHL. Faced most shots in AHL. Has great size. Looked good when in NHL. MVP of Rochester last year. The guy has a great contract. Vegas is taking him if not protected.

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Every goalie for the 3 to 4 years have put up decent numbers on this conservative team. Sorry but I trust a guy like Biron. He is constantly ripping on Lehners techniques and position. I see how bad he is at shootouts and it scares me if we are going to be an aggressive team giving up more breakaways.

Just because a guy plays starter minutes doesn't mean he is starting goalie.

Ullmark won multiple goalie awards in Sweden. Played the most games in AHL. Faced most shots in AHL. Has great size. Looked good when in NHL. MVP of Rochester last year. The guy has a great contract. Vegas is taking him if not protected.
Yet Rochester employed the same system, so maybe Ullmark's number are inflated too, no?

I'm not suggesting to commit a long term, high cap-hit contract to Lehner. But moving Lehner this off-season and starting with Ullmark/Nilsson next season is just stupid. End of.

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Yet Rochester employed the same system, so maybe Ullmark's number are inflated too, no?

I'm not suggesting to commit a long term, high cap-hit contract to Lehner. But moving Lehner this off-season and starting with Ullmark/Nilsson next season is just stupid. End of.
Rochester defense was terrible. Ullmark was left by himself all the time. I am not sure how many Rochester games you watched, but Ullmark kept this team in almost every game he played. They maybe played a similar system but he has no help.

You also need to worry about future and not just next year. I trust Ullmark as the future goalie more than I trust Lehner.

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Rochester defense was terrible. Ullmark was left by himself all the time. I am not sure how many Rochester games you watched, but Ullmark kept this team in almost every game he played. They maybe played a similar system but he has no help.

You also need to worry about future and not just next year. I trust Ullmark as the future goalie more than I trust Lehner.
If you sub out the word Rochester with "Buffalo" and Ullmark with "Lehner"....

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If you sub out the word Rochester with "Buffalo" and Ullmark with "Lehner"....
I can tell you didn't watch much Rochester games.

Not even close man. Actually completely incorrect. Sabres team defense was light years better than Rochester when taking the two leagues into account.

I really ignorant statement actually.

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I can tell you didn't watch much Rochester games.

Not even close man. Actually completely incorrect. Sabres team defense was light years better than Rochester when taking the two leagues into account.

I really ignorant statement actually.
I watched enough to not be impressed with what they had down there nor with the AHL pay-for-crappy video feeds.

And the point remains that a career backup (Nilsson) and a guy with pretty ho-hum AHL stats (Ullmark) doesn't look all that inspiring as an NHL duo at this time and the tandem of Nilsson/Ullmark going into the NHL season seems like an unnecessary gamble. Or said another way, a really ignorant statement.

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So the plan is to have the new coach with no previous HC experience run his uptempo system where all five skaters are up in the play while rolling with a career backup and LUll.

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