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06-15-2017, 11:26 AM
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Do we have to protect the full amount?

MacK
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"OK, we're good, you can pick from the rest."
Exactly. That's why I'm wondering if Duchene gets moved for two assets that are worthy of protecting.

I mean, why on earth protect Grigorenko or Nieto?

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06-15-2017, 11:26 AM
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"It's about getting younger Frank. And about not being absolutely dreadful. Which you are. OK. Bye."

- Sakic phoning from under a bear rug in his darkened office, face filled with dread. Horrified by his actions.


On a personal note. Thank bloody Foppa. Seemed so obvious, but with the Avs, nothing is ever that simple.


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06-15-2017, 11:29 AM
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Exactly. That's why I'm wondering if Duchene gets moved for two assets that are worthy of protecting.

I mean, why on earth protect Grigorenko or Nieto?
If they didn't ask Beauchemin to waive then maybe it was just to get rid of him? Obviously other factors - e.g. opening an expansion slot - may have been at play too, but it could very well just be to move on from Beauchemin and a piece of the past.

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06-15-2017, 11:31 AM
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This is great news.

I'm still seeing it bandied about here that with this open protection spot we can now protect Comeau. This is disheartening.

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06-15-2017, 11:36 AM
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If they didn't even ask Beauch to waive then it makes me take the younger/faster thing more seriously. It seems reasonable that if he still wanted to play and they'd asked him to waive he'd just agree since it would be probably one of his best shots of playing this coming season. The fact that they didn't ask him to waive just means they were done with his tenure on the team, which is the right move.

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06-15-2017, 11:36 AM
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A few of those guys aren't really worthy of being protected - Nieto, Grigorenko, etc.

Is it possible that Beauchemin was jettisoned so they can trade Duchene for 2 assets who are worthy of being protected?
Fully agree I just made my list under the assumption that no more moves were made.

Looking at the roster it was tough to find 7 forwards worthy of protection. At least with Grigorenko and Nieto they fit the younger faster motto Sakic's been preaching.

I could very easily see a trade scenario where we could need an extra protection slot, I wouldn't be butt hurt if we lost either Nieto or Grigorenko.

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06-15-2017, 11:37 AM
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Thank god! Nice job Sakic!

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Fully agree I just made my list under the assumption that no more moves were made.

Looking at the roster it was tough to find 7 forwards worthy of protection. At least with Grigorenko and Nieto they fit the younger faster motto Sakic's been preaching.

I could very easily see a trade scenario where we could need an extra protection slot, I wouldn't be butt hurt if we lost either Nieto or Grigorenko.
Well Grigo doesn't really fit the 'faster' part... and may not be younger!

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Exactly. That's why I'm wondering if Duchene gets moved for two assets that are worthy of protecting.

I mean, why on earth protect Grigorenko or Nieto?
because a team that is laughably short on talent shouldn't risk giving up their 6th leading scorer or a guy who was on pace to be the 5th-best goalscorer when both are under the age of 25

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06-15-2017, 11:40 AM
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This is great news.

I'm still seeing it bandied about here that with this open protection spot we can now protect Comeau. This is disheartening.
It's possible, I'd say the only locks for forward protection are MacK, Landy, Duchene, Ghetto.

That leaves 3 spots, I'd be willing to bet Nieto gets one. That leaves Soderberg, Grigorenko, Comeau, Colborne, Bourque, Mitchell fighting for the last 2 slots. Not sure who they give those slots to.

My guess for the final two slots would be Grigorenko as he is young, and then either Soderberg or Comeau whomever the team values more.

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06-15-2017, 11:41 AM
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Well Grigo doesn't really fit the 'faster' part... and may not be younger!
Very true, he is not the best skater by any means. But at 23, I'd be shocked if the Avs decided to leave him exposed in favor of someone older.

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Very true, he is not the best skater by any means. But at 23, I'd be shocked if the Avs decided to leave him exposed in favor of someone older.
I know he takes a lot of penalties. And I don't like him. But Comeau is a better NHL player than Grig.

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Very true, he is not the best skater by any means. But at 23, I'd be shocked if the Avs decided to leave him exposed in favor of someone older.
But is he 23?!? #datedjoke

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06-15-2017, 11:48 AM
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I know he takes a lot of penalties. And I don't like him. But Comeau is a better NHL player than Grig.
After what I watched Comeau do last year, I'm not sure about that. At least Grigs is only lazy, his hockey IQ is pretty decent and typically doesn't take a-hole penalties. Whereas Comeau takes poor penalties, and has poor hockey IQ.

Either way neither of them are that great of a NHLer at this point.

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06-15-2017, 11:58 AM
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I'd rather lose Grigorenko than Comeau in expansion. Comeau possibly could be traded at deadline for a pick. Grigorenko will just continue to show why he's not a NHLer.

Grigorenko was 8th in PP time/game last season among forwards. He got less than Andrighetto and Compher. When pretty much all you have is offense and the coach doesn't even want you out there on the PP much, there is no viable way forward. Just move on. Better for everyone.

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06-15-2017, 12:03 PM
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Varlamov

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Barrie
Zadorov
Barberio

Duchene
Landeskog
MacKinnon
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That's what I wish they'd do. If they choose to expose Barberio, then they should instead protect Nieto, Grigorenko and Soderberg - I don't think Soderberg is going to get claimed to begin with, and I think the likelihood of him rebounding and playing better than Comeau or Colborne is high.

Ideal scenario for me would be Comeau, Colborne or Pickard getting picked.

I keep Grigorenko because I think some GM should still feel he has Yakupov-ish value.

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06-15-2017, 12:09 PM
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I can't help but wonder if this might indicate a Duchene pre-expansion trade. If they get a guy like De Haan they've got to protect him. I really didn't expect them to buyout Beauchemin and now I'm wondering why.


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06-15-2017, 12:11 PM
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Varlamov

Johnson
Barrie
Zadorov
Barberio

Duchene
Landeskog
MacKinnon
Andrighetto


That's what I wish they'd do. If they choose to expose Barberio, then they should instead protect Nieto, Grigorenko and Soderberg - I don't think Soderberg is going to get claimed to begin with, and I think the likelihood of him rebounding and playing better than Comeau or Colborne is high.

Ideal scenario for me would be Comeau, Colborne or Pickard getting picked.

I keep Grigorenko because I think some GM should still feel he has Yakupov-ish value.
Barberio isn't going to get picked, he was on waivers last season. He is a average #5-6 dman, there will be much better options for Vegas than him.

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06-15-2017, 12:12 PM
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I want sure they would do it, but thank God. With regards to the nmc, waiving it probably wouldn't have mattered as nobody wants him anyway.

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Don't we need to expose Barberio?

We don't have anyone else under contract who could be exposed.

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Don't we need to expose Barberio?

We don't have anyone else under contract who could be exposed.
Could sign BFF, but I think that is much worse than exposing Barbie

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If all you lose in an expansion draft is a Barberio, it's fine. I like him and think he can be a decent #6 for Avs but I just can't go full Gollum over marginal players.

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If all you lose in an expansion draft is a Barberio, it's fine. I like him and think he can be a decent #6 for Avs but I just can't go full Gollum over marginal players.
I agree with this. Barberio is an average #6, if we lose him so be it. I'd hope one of the young guys like Bigras could come in and replace him.

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Not to mention it's probably the reason they picked him up to begin with. Him playing halfway decent was just a bonus.

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