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06-15-2017, 03:04 PM
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Half expecting Pacioretty + Galchenyuk + Weber for Doughty + Carter now.

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I'm pretty sure Cooper took over for Boucher that season with the Lightning.
Boucher was fired pretty late in the season...so yes he would have played for Cooper as well, but only for a few weeks as the TBL didn't make the playoffs in '13.

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Bob McKenzie speculating that Brodin is on Montreal's radar.

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Eberle has three 63+ point seasons.

Results matter. Drouin's just flashier.
Have you watched drouin play? Guy can outright dominate a shift, I have never ever seen that happen from Eberle, Eberle is a solid finisher when he's on no doubt, but he can not control the ice like drouin can

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Half expecting Pacioretty + Galchenyuk + Weber for Doughty + Carter now.
Don't think Bergervin is that smart.

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You're thinking way too hard on this
That's how these situations work now in the NHL. It's not just a single GM making a decision based on his opinion. Every team has at least a dozen hockey ops people examining every angle for weeks/months on a potential trade to maximize return.

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Drouin is on the upswing and Eberle has likely peaked, watching Drouin at times this year he showed incredible ability to drive the offensive attack, unlike anything Eberle has demonstrated. Eberle seems to be destined to be more of supplementary talent to more talented players whereas Drouin looks to be an offensive catalyst.
This makes no sense to me at all. Even when Hall, one of our team's best drivers, was here, Eberle played away from him and still put up some amazing point totals. For real, give Eberle some 1st line minutes, focus more offensively, and PP1 time, with a little more luck than he had last year, and he'll easily notch 65+. At the same age as Drouin, Eberle got 76 points.

Either way, people really don't like Eberle on these boards because they're fixated on 'grit' and other bs attributes. Drouin is softer than Ebs is and the only positive he has on him is he's more fun to watch and is younger. Statistics over the year suggests forwards really peaks at ~27-28 before they really slow down (Lucic lol). Again I'll say, scoring wingers are a hot commodity in the dead puck era, especially this offseason where the UFA wingers will be vastly overpaid or had a very lucky season.

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This makes no sense to me at all. Even when Hall, one of our team's best drivers, was here, Eberle played away from him and still put up some amazing point totals. For real, give Eberle some 1st line minutes, focus more offensively, and PP1 time, with a little more luck than he had last year, and he'll easily notch 65+. At the same age as Drouin, Eberle got 76 points.

Either way, people really don't like Eberle on these boards because they're fixated on 'grit' and other bs attributes. Drouin is softer than Ebs is and the only positive he has on him is he's more fun to watch and is younger. Statistics over the year suggests forwards really peaks at ~27-28 before they really slow down (Lucic lol). Again I'll say, scoring wingers are a hot commodity in the dead puck era, especially this offseason where the UFA wingers will be vastly overpaid or had a very lucky season.
If only we had some top tier talent like a Connor McDavid for Eberle to play with. Oh wait ...

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If we could somehow turn RNH/Eberle into Hamonic/Gallagher/Hanzal, I would consider this offseason a huge success.
Switch Hanzal with an actual centre who actually wins against hard matchups and does more than Faceoffs then I'll agree

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This makes no sense to me at all. Even when Hall, one of our team's best drivers, was here, Eberle played away from him and still put up some amazing point totals. For real, give Eberle some 1st line minutes, focus more offensively, and PP1 time, with a little more luck than he had last year, and he'll easily notch 65+. At the same age as Drouin, Eberle got 76 points.

Either way, people really don't like Eberle on these boards because they're fixated on 'grit' and other bs attributes. Drouin is softer than Ebs is and the only positive he has on him is he's more fun to watch and is younger. Statistics over the year suggests forwards really peaks at ~27-28 before they really slow down (Lucic lol). Again I'll say, scoring wingers are a hot commodity in the dead puck era, especially this offseason where the UFA wingers will be vastly overpaid or had a very lucky season.
I'm not down on Eberle, I'm down on his value. He really wasn't all that great during the regular season and he sucked during the playoffs. Fair or not recency bias is in effect here. It doesn't matter that he scored 30/70 a few years ago.

Don't bother trading him. There's no point.

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If only we had some top tier talent like a Connor McDavid for Eberle to play with. Oh wait ...
Reading comprehension must be hard for you huh?

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Reading comprehension must be hard for you huh?
Excuse comprehension no.

Dude has been given every opportunity to succeed here and has underwhelmed for a couple of years now.

He would not have hit 65 last year even if we were forced to play him with McDavid at gun point.

He's very likely to be a 50 point-ish player here going forward. If people think that's worth 6 million, fine.

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My pipe dream would be to trade for Brodin and Barrie and plug them on the 2nd pairing. Then when Sekera returns we will be stacked on defense assuming everyone is healthy

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My pipe dream would be to trade for Brodin and Barrie and plug them on the 2nd pairing. Then when Sekera returns we will be stacked on defense assuming everyone is healthy
one extreme to another. Some here think our D is good enough to contend already and some want 2 more top 4 Dmen.

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Any interest in throwing a contract at Francois Beaucheman if he's cheap for *depth* purposes?

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Have you watched drouin play? Guy can outright dominate a shift, I have never ever seen that happen from Eberle, Eberle is a solid finisher when he's on no doubt, but he can not control the ice like drouin can
really?

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My pipe dream would be to trade for Brodin and Barrie and plug them on the 2nd pairing. Then when Sekera returns we will be stacked on defense assuming everyone is healthy
I dunno if I like that as our #3-#4. I'd sooner have Barrie with Nurse or Benning than Brodin.

TBH though, I'd rather have one of Barrie or Brodin and just re-sign Russell. That'd be a much better idea since one of those 2 can produce points for us and we can still have a good defender who actually plays defense.

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Excuse comprehension no.

Dude has been given every opportunity to succeed here and has underwhelmed for a couple of years now.

He would not have hit 65 last year even if we were forced to play him with McDavid at gun point.

He's very likely to be a 50 point-ish player here going forward. If people think that's worth 6 million, fine.
because that is rational. i mean he has totally gone from one of the elite finishers in the league to a bum in 82 games.

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My pipe dream would be to trade for Brodin and Barrie and plug them on the 2nd pairing. Then when Sekera returns we will be stacked on defense assuming everyone is healthy
Im not big on either of those players and can't imagine them being the pieces that make our team even better. Both heavily flawed players.

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because that is rational. i mean he has totally gone form one of the elite finishers in the league to a bum in 82 games.
50 point player is not a bum.

Besides 50 was a *reach* for him last year, he was sitting at 16 goals, 46 points going into game 80, the only reason he hit even 50 was because Vancouver iced an AHL team and gifted him 4 goals.

Beyond being physically soft I think he's mentally soft too, so he's never going to handle not being spoon fed all the prime PP minutes/top line minutes. But now that we have McDavid and Draisaitl he's never going to occupy the role of a driver on this team again, he's a support player, but I don't think he can deal with that. He gets down on himself, mopes, then will have a couple of games where he looks engaged again, rinse, wash, repeat.

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Any interest in throwing a contract at Francois Beaucheman if he's cheap for *depth* purposes?
Very, honestly, physical, veteran with a lot of playoff experience and a big shot, there's nothing to not like as a depth player.

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because that is rational. i mean he has totally gone from one of the elite finishers in the league to a bum in 82 games.
50 points is not a bum in today's NHL. With that being said, Eberle hasn't been an elite finisher for a few seasons now. He had had his chance to get back up there, but hasn't been able to get it done.

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Excuse comprehension no.

Dude has been given every opportunity to succeed here and has underwhelmed for a couple of years now.
Offensively? No. It's been one year.

Even playing through injury for a portion of last year, he had 25 goals in 69 goals for a 30 goal pace. I've never heard anyone describe that as underwhelming for a player like Eberle.

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He would not have hit 65 last year even if we were forced to play him with McDavid at gun point.

He's very likely to be a 50 point-ish player here going forward. If people think that's worth 6 million, fine.
He could do the exact same year over exactly where he was on the roster and probably be around 5 goals better just based on shooting percentage baselines.


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I wish this thread wasn't 90% Eberle talk. I mean, we have a seperate discussion thread for Eberle guys...

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50 points is not a bum in today's NHL. With that being said, Eberle hasn't been an elite finisher for a few seasons now. He had had his chance to get back up there, but hasn't been able to get it done.
It depends what you mean by elite level finisher. Clearly 34 goals was an outlier, but he's tickled the line on 30 in two of the last four seasons.

Between 2013 and 2016 he scored 77 goals in 230 games. This is a 0.33 goal/game pace or flirting with the top 10 for all RWs in that timeframe. In order to only score 20 this year, he needed to shoot 4% below his career average.

A rebound year of sorts for Jordan Eberle is pretty predictable.

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