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06-15-2017, 06:05 PM
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No you keep the cost controlled larsson/girgs replacement for 4c duties on an ELC, ship salary out and build a solid cap structure once eichel and Reinhart get raises. If our 1st and an add of a winger prospect not named nylander or getting their own 2nd back isn't enough...then you aren't the highest bidder and you bid again on someone else.

Frankly our 1st with any reasonable plus should be enough for a guy they either lose for free or protect causing them to lose amother forward more valuable than asplund anyways making the point moot.
Prioritizing the backup 4C is something I'd be happy to do when we're talking about upgrading our 6D.

And at this point, teams have to name their protection lists in 48 hours. So while I appreciate shopping around, I kind of approach the question like what's the most you would do if this were the only deal on the table.

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#8+Bailey+Borgen

Wild get a high pick to add a young high end prospect on an ELC, a potential 15-20 goal top 9 winger in Bailey and a hometown D prospect who truthfully is more of a throw in and doesn't hold much trade value on his own.
This is exactly where I'm at in value.

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We'd be ripping ourselves off if we offered that. I know Nylander's AHL stats were underwhelming, but look how he did in the WJCs when he was playing against his peers..and with another year of tournament eligibility left. The kid has a ridiculous amount of talent, we just need to develop him.
Query: would you rather offer Nylander or 8?

I'd rather do Nylander, just knowing how deep we are in winger prospects.

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#8+Bailey+Borgen

Wild get a high pick to add a young high end prospect on an ELC, a potential 15-20 goal top 9 winger in Bailey and a hometown D prospect who truthfully is more of a throw in and doesn't hold much trade value on his own.
I'd frame this deal more as "giving them the wing prospect with the highest bust potential/lowest floor and a guy with solid rotation upside to develop in the background" than the above.

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I think a deal like 8th overall or Nylander for Brodin fits with the expansion narrative of the deal between Montreal & Tampa (Sergachev/Drouin). Tampa does three things.

1. Adds a young ELC player to an area of need. 8th overall/Nylander do that as well for Minnesota.

2. Saves cap space with RFA's coming up (Palat/Johnson). Also saves Minnesota about $4M per yr either Granlund & Niedereitter

3. Opens up a protection slot for their more talented forwards in the Vegas Expansion Draft. This also gives Minnesota more options in their Vegas draft protection ideas.

Nylander or 8th overall would Basically do the same exact thing for Minnesota that the Drouin Sergachev deal does for Tampa.

Buffalo would also like Montreal get an immediate impact player at a position of need, who is still young enough to be part of the core for a good 5-7 yrs at least. If it's 8th I could see something like Fasching & 8th overall?

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Query: would you rather offer Nylander or 8?

I'd rather do Nylander, just knowing how deep we are in winger prospects.
I'd need to know trade value around the league. Ideally, there'd be a clear divide between which asset teams valued irrationally and you'd trade the other.

Like if say, 20 teams would take the pick but 10 thought Nylander was a future high end first liner.

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Does Brodin fit an uptemp/5 man attack system?

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Does Brodin fit an uptemp/5 man attack system?
another question, do we need a top stay at home D with an up-tempo D system??

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another question, do we need a top stay at home D with an up-tempo D system??
Yes. Maatta and hainsey and duomolin...they offset letang, daley schultz.

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Does Brodin fit an uptemp/5 man attack system?
He has extended stretches of really excellent outlet passing, can be the sweeper if we play 4/1 (which might be optimal anyway), has had at least a modicum of underlying development muted by role (covering for Dumba), and unless we're trying to copy Nashville exactly, most uptempo systems can totally support someone with his skillset soaking up defensive minutes.

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another question, do we need a top stay at home D with an up-tempo D system??
would housley be unable to work a player like brodin into that system?

point well taken though, Brodin does not scream 5 man up tempo but I think that I'm not hearing the scream more because of his offensive instincts than his physical abilities, would The Crib be able to evolve him as a player? if he could than getting Brodin for 8/Nylander would end up a steal

or does it make Dumba the Wild that Botts would go after

I Noah Hannafin which D I like out the bunch

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Yes. Maatta and hainsey and duomolin...they offset letang, daley schultz.
Plus Cole.

Also, the Pens were willing to pair Hainsey-Dumo and let them just not give up goals. Hopefully we're equally willing to put together a unit of safe guys and pair mobility with mobility.

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Query: would you rather offer Nylander or 8?

I'd rather do Nylander, just knowing how deep we are in winger prospects.
I agree with this.

In an ideal world I move both pieces in separate deals for two substantial top4 additions. Or Reinhart if we're getting someone really good.

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I'll say it again. The Dumoulin offer sheet is our most cost-effective avenue of adding a high end defensive defenseman.

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Query: would you rather offer Nylander or 8?

I'd rather do Nylander, just knowing how deep we are in winger prospects.
Should Buffalo draft another dman at 8, there'd be no one in the pipeline that has top line forward potential should we trade Nylander.

Bailey/Baptiste/Fasching seem like middle six players.

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I'll say it again. The Dumoulin offer sheet is our most cost-effective avenue of adding a high end defensive defenseman.
Odds of Botterill offer sheeting the Pens are 0, so there's no point going down that road

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Prioritizing the backup 4C is something I'd be happy to do when we're talking about upgrading our 6D.

And at this point, teams have to name their protection lists in 48 hours. So while I appreciate shopping around, I kind of approach the question like what's the most you would do if this were the only deal on the table.
Sorry man I missed your response to me! I'd walk from asplund as the plus. I'm higher on asplund than some perhaps. I see his value ad a cheap affordable but effective 4c sooner than later who can ease defensive matchups off ror.

I also would personally be more likely to cut ties with larsson or girgs than foligno ad I value the sand paper foligno brings...the only sand paper we have once kaNE walks. Long term and with other moving pieces it's just not something I'd do given the current roster construct.

I think 8 and or nylander plus bailey/fasching or their own 2nd back is fair value. If they don't think so then I keep my assets and move on. I'm done overselling. But I'm also gonna add a top 4dman one way or another. Go for tanev then...go for edler...go for murray...hanifan. if I swing and miss I'll swing again until my price matches up. Then again I'm no GM I'm an idiot on his phone.

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The way he openly discussed offer sheets I'm not so sure.

Also wait, players coming off their ELCs are OS-able? Was that always a thing? Am I confusing it with basketball?

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Whether or not Brodin play "uptempo" now (let's agree there's some room to define that, and also the MIN dictates that a bit for him now) -- kid has wheels, a good outlet pass, and he's only 23. Tools are there, coach him.

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I'm a bigger offersheet proponent than most, but I don't see the target this year.

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Query: would you rather offer Nylander or 8?

I'd rather do Nylander, just knowing how deep we are in winger prospects.
8, easily. We do have a lot of right-shooting wing prospects, but Nylander is far and away the most talented of the bunch.

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The way he openly discussed offer sheets I'm not so sure.

Also wait, players coming off their ELCs are OS-able? Was that always a thing? Am I confusing it with basketball?
Yes. Precisely what happened with Vanek.

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Whether or not Brodin play "uptempo" now (let's agree there's some room to define that, and also the MIN dictates that a bit for him now) -- kid has wheels, a good outlet pass, and he's only 23. Tools are there, coach him.
Precisely.

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yeah I think we should target this guy even with a slight overpayment..

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Yes. Precisely what happened with Vanek.
Gotcha, thanks. I had actually considered that, but guessed the lockout could have played into that scenario.

Sooooooooooo, Pastrnak?

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