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Bailey vs. Baptiste vs. Fasching

View Poll Results: Of these 3 prospects, who do you like the most?
Justin Bailey 17 20.99%
Nick Baptiste 52 64.20%
Hudson Fasching 12 14.81%
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06-16-2017, 02:49 PM
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Bailey vs. Baptiste vs. Fasching

We have 3 right wingers in our organization that I personally believe might be on almost the exact same page in terms of their development. They all seem like borderline NHLers who may still need time in Roch but they didn't necessarily look out of place in Buffalo, just inconsistent.

Now I imagine that somewhere down the road (perhaps sooner rather than later) there is going to need to be some decisions made because I doubt all of them crack our lineup together, unless at least one of them moves to left wing. I pose the following questions (with my personal answers):

Highest ceiling?
Very close for me, I'd probably say Baptiste because of his goal-scoring abilities so far in his minors career.

Highest floor?
Also close for me. I think Bailey just because he can turn into a Magnus Paajarvi type (fast but not putting up great numbers).

Most likely to stick in the NHL next year?
I'm going to say Fasching because I think he can be a good compliment to our skilled centers if he's willing to battle in front of the net and dig pucks out of corners, similar to what Botterill said he might be looking for to be the wingers to our star centers. I also think he can be a strong possession player for us.

Most willing to trade?
Bailey. I think he'd hold the most trade value (however much that may be).

Least willing to trade?
For me it's Fasching. He might not be as strong of a skater as the other two, but I think his skill set can compliment someone like Eich, Reino, or ROR down the line. I wanna say him and Tuch play a similar style (admittedly haven't seen much of Tuch lately) and I know Tuch played with Eichel a lot on the international stage. Although, he's also a Murray guy so I'm curious to see how he is viewed by Bott (along with the others).

And finally...

Most likely to bust?
There's always the chance that one of these 3 never makes it in the NHL at all. I'm gonna say Bailey simply because I don't see him ever putting up the offense that he produces in Rochester. Though all 3 of these guys have decent bust potential.

So yeah, I figured this might be an interesting topic. They're all in the same group in my eyes. I think Carrier may have been too at one point but I think he's kinda separated himself from the pack towards being a legit NHLer. What do y'all think?

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Highest ceiling?
Baptiste. Skill plus skating.

Highest floor?
Baptiste. His size and defense could land him on a lower line if he doesn't pan out.

Most likely to stick in the NHL next year?
Fasching. His board game and net front presence is needed.

Most willing to trade?
Bailey. Size-speed guy who I don't know will pan out as a scorer in the NHL.

Least willing to trade?
Fasching. Sabres need his power game.

Most likely to bust?
Bailey. See above.

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06-16-2017, 02:55 PM
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I'll just say that I think Baptiste is the best of the 3 followed by Bailey and then Fasching. I could see Baptiste stepping into a top 6 role right away, if Kane is sent packing and Reinhart is moved to 3C

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Are they all RW? the BN GM for a day article had Bailey as a LW

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I flip between Bailey and Baptiste ..... Fasching is last.

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You could even add Erod to that list, he's primarily been a winger up until last season. And if we do decide to put Reinhart back in the middle, he doesn't have much of a chance to make the team playing center.

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Highest ceiling?
Baptiste. Skill plus skating.

Highest floor?
Baptiste. His size and defense could land him on a lower line if he doesn't pan out.

Most likely to stick in the NHL next year?
Fasching. His board game and net front presence is needed.

Most willing to trade?
Bailey. Size-speed guy who I don't know will pan out as a scorer in the NHL.

Least willing to trade?
Fasching. Sabres need his power game.

Most likely to bust?
Bailey. See above.
You have summarized my thoughts as well.

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Baptiste quite easily for me, I don't think Bailey or Fasching have near the offensive upside that he does. His floor is probably a 15 goal energy guy and his upside is probably 30 goals, I don't see Bailey or Fasching ever having that kind of offensive potential.

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Always liked Bailey but after watching last year, look like Baptiste has passed him.

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Bailey's hands and brain are not even in the same stratosphere as his feet are.

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Highest ceiling?
Baptiste. Skill plus skating.

Highest floor?
Baptiste. His size and defense could land him on a lower line if he doesn't pan out.

Most likely to stick in the NHL next year?
Fasching. His board game and net front presence is needed.

Most willing to trade?
Bailey. Size-speed guy who I don't know will pan out as a scorer in the NHL.

Least willing to trade?
Fasching. Sabres need his power game.

Most likely to bust?
Bailey. See above.
This matches my thoughts.

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If Housley has this team playing a fast, attacking style, I could see him doing wonders for Bailey.

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I havent been happy with any of their play, I have most faith in Baptiste making it full time than followed by Bailey. I think Fasching could be a bust or he needs AHL time but I haven't wrote him off yet.

They could all use another season in the AHL. Try and bring a Calder to Rochester. Get the winning culture up down there.

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It changes, but right now, long term:

Baptiste > fasching > bailey for me

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Bailey is the result of a Fasching / Baptiste hybrid. Baptiste's speed with Fasching's size. Of the three he has the highest ceiling, but he is still very raw and probably the least likely of the three to ever reach his potential.

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I was always higher on Bailey than I was Baptiste, but last year Baptiste seemed to make more advancements in his game. I still like Fasching above both of them.

Fasching > Baptiste > Bailey

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Also I have invited on this because I have a hard time differentiating between Fasching and Baptiste as my favorite of the three.

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I have significantly tempered my hopes for all 3 of them. I had thought of them as decent second line or good third line. I do not see top six consistency in any of them and they sure did not take Rochester out of the cellar...maybe I am just depressed....

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Team Fasching.

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Fasching reminds of Luke Adam. Size and hands but foot questions and can't put it all together. I hope to be proven wrong.

Bailey is just too fast and tall to not find a way to make him work, especially in the type of system Housley supposedly wants. If he can't find that niche though I don't think he has the skill to make up for it otherwise.

Baptiste seems much more of a sure bet to make the team, though I guess he doesn't excite me?

Either way I hope they're all good enough to play, but at this point I'm only seeing 1-2 doing so, but in important ways.

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I have significantly tempered my hopes for all 3 of them. I had thought of them as decent second line or good third line. I do not see top six consistency in any of them and they sure did not take Rochester out of the cellar...maybe I am just depressed....
I do agree that expectations should be tempered with all, but it's not on them to take Rochester out of the cellar. They're non-elite winger propsects. That can't make up for the fact the team had no defense, played a Bylsma system, were weak down the middle, and overall lacked quality AHL veterans.

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Baptists
He's bound for Jack's RW
Fasching
Decent power game, needs another year in the AHL
Bailey
Good speed, big body. Definitely see him on line 3 or 4 this season.
Nylander
Needs more time in the AHL

All are RH shots. If Kane is moved, we'll need a high caliber LH shot to fill the void.

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I'd say Bailey and Fasching have the highest ceilings. I'd also say they're least likely to reach their ceilings.

Baptise with the highest floor. If he doesn't pan out as at least a very good checking winger I'll be shocked. He also has a nice ceiling as a scoring winger, but I don't think he'll ever been the line driving, highly skilled type of player Bailey and Fasching have the potential to be.

In the end I think Baptise ends up the best player. I think Jochen Hecht with more grit and a much better shot. Least willing to trade him.

Most willing to trade Bailey. Combo of highest value (and most likely to be a bust/headache in my opinion.

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I want to see Baptiste paired with Eichel. He's got the speed to keep up and the hands to finish all the chances 15 creates.

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I picked Bailey but am not sold on any of them.

Quite actually, I think the three of them are primed to fight tooth and nail over a roster spot over the next couple years. It could be a fantastic way to stir up competition and let the cream rise to the top.

I want Hudson to be better than he is. He looked like a good prospect but hasn't done anything worthwhile. Bailey and Baptise are similar players in my mind.

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