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06-19-2017, 06:01 AM
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I hope he doesnt do that.
I'd put big money only for Shatty but don't think he would like to come back.

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06-19-2017, 06:24 AM
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Assuming VGK takes Pickard.

Avs trade Barrie, Comeau and 114OA
Dallas trades 3OA, 29OA and Lehtonen

Avs draft two of Heiskanen, Vilardi, Glass and Makar. Then draft Oettinger if he drops, or a couple of the many choices in that range with 29+32

Just a WAG, not sure even I like it, and I most likely weighted it in favor of the Avs.

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Interesting. It fits Dallas' "compete now" idea, although I'm not sure how interested they would be in the end.

You military folk though, I read that as "just a wife/girlfriend" at first.

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06-19-2017, 06:27 AM
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Idea:

Assuming VGK takes Pickard.

Avs trade Barrie, Comeau and 114OA
Dallas trades 3OA, 29OA and Lehtonen

Avs draft two of Heiskanen, Vilardi, Glass and Makar. Then draft Oettinger if he drops, or a couple of the many choices in that range with 29+32

Just a WAG, not sure even I like it, and I most likely weighted it in favor of the Avs.

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I've seen the idea of Barrie vs 3 OA come up a few times here, but why would Dallas target Barrie instead of a two-way leftie with the 3rd OA? They have Klingberg plus Honka coming up, both righties. Doesn't make any sense at all for them, imo....

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06-19-2017, 06:39 AM
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I've seen the idea of Barrie vs 3 OA come up a few times here, but why would Dallas target Barrie instead of a two-way leftie with the 3rd OA? They have Klingberg plus Honka coming up, both righties. Doesn't make any sense at all for them, imo....
I thought about putting Honka in there vice 29OA, but thought that was too biased. To make it work, the trade grew to unreasonable size trying to get it even:

Barrie, Comeau, Bigras, 32OA, 114OA
Lehtonen, Honka, 3OA, 29OA

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06-19-2017, 06:43 AM
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I thought about putting Honka in there vice 29OA, but thought that was too biased. To make it work, the trade grew to unreasonable size trying to get it even:

Barrie, Comeau, Bigras, 32OA, 114OA
Lehtonen, Honka, 3OA, 29OA
I'd decline that, for sure.

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06-19-2017, 06:55 AM
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I am not real happy with it either. Maybe Avs get 70OA as well?

Or change 32OA to 94OA

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06-19-2017, 06:57 AM
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I'd just forget about it if it had to be something like that.

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06-19-2017, 07:20 AM
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I'd decline that, for sure.
I don't quite get it.

Am I missing irony here or something?

That second Dallas deal >>> the first Dallas deal

Honka >> Bigras...


I mean Dallas says hell no and never call me again to both because they have 0 need for Barrie but that second deal is crazy slanted in favor of the Avs. Way more than the first one...

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06-19-2017, 07:22 AM
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No you're just higher on Julius Honka than I am.

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06-19-2017, 07:24 AM
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No you're just higher on Julius Honka than I am.
Might be possible. Really think he will be pretty decent pretty soon.

Certainly take him over Bigras easily at this point.

Just looked very confusing to me but yeah maybe it is me rating Honka higher than others..

In the end it does not matter.

There is no way Dallas has any interest in Barrie. I think they would have way more interest in EJ for the #3 than for Barrie.

They are probably the team that needs Barrie the least...


At this point I think Duchene and Barrie will be here in October. And honestly I won't complain about it. Sakic screwed it up. Forcing a trade now would only make it worse.

Only problem I have is Bednar. I don't hate him but I doubt that he is the coach we need to restore some of our guys trade value...

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06-19-2017, 07:28 AM
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Might be possible. Really think he will be pretty decent pretty soon.

Certainly take him over Bigras easily at this point.

Just looked very confusing to me but yeah maybe it is me rating Honka higher than others..

In the end it does not matter.

There is no way Dallas has any interest in Barrie. I think they would have way more interest in EJ for the #3 than for Barrie.

They are probably the team that needs Barrie the least...


At this point I think Duchene will be here in October. And honestly I won't complain about it. Sakic screwed it up. Forcing a trade now would only make it worse.

Only problem I have is Bednar. I don't hate him but I doubt that he is the coach we need to restore some of our guys trade value...
Yeah, Bigras' value is down and Honka has very nice offensive skills so I get where you're coming from. 1 for 1 I'd easily take a chance with him right now, because the offensive side really is very good. What caught my eye was that instead of gaining the 29th, we go from 32 to 29. You're likely right about Barrie though so, oh well.

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06-19-2017, 08:49 AM
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So is this Jimmy Murphy legit?

It's difficult to see Sakic trading Duchene to the Isles with Calvin de Haan and Dylan Strome as the principal assets. I think that Sakic would have a difficult time with that based solely on the PR aspects.

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06-19-2017, 08:56 AM
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I have zero desire for Strome. He is pretty much the same as Grigorenko. And if the rumor of Sakic not being interested in Hamonic is true, I fail to see why he would be interested in De Haan instead.

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I thought about putting Honka in there vice 29OA, but thought that was too biased. To make it work, the trade grew to unreasonable size trying to get it even:

Barrie, Comeau, Bigras, 32OA, 114OA
Lehtonen, Honka, 3OA, 29OA
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I am not real happy with it either. Maybe Avs get 70OA as well?

Or change 32OA to 94OA
Are y'all serious? The proposed Dallas deals heavily favour the Avs.

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06-19-2017, 09:02 AM
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Are y'all serious? The proposed Dallas deals heavily favour the Avs.
It maybe the complexity of the deal that steers me away from it.

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06-19-2017, 09:17 AM
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Keep in mind that this is getting Dallas out of the $5.9M 3rd string goalie.

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06-19-2017, 09:26 AM
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Keep in mind that this is getting Dallas out of the $5.9M 3rd string goalie.
Who only has 1 year left and the Stars have more projected cap space than the Avs do heading into next year, and that's not even mentioning the fact that they could just buy out Niemi and have it only count as 1.5M against the cap for the next two seasons. It's a really bad trade for the Stars (and a great trade for the Avs). Dallas would laugh like J. Jonah Jameson in the Spider-Man movies.

It is interesting to see this speculation/rumor on the Trade forum about Dallas maybe having a deal for Vegas to take Lehtonen (would be an expensive backup to MA Fleury though)...perhaps it's a swap of #3 + Lehtonen (as Dallas' Exp. Draft pick, thus ensuring no one else selected, and getting free and clear of that salary) for #6. Vegas moves up to 3 and selects their franchise Center (Vilardi/Glass/Mittelstadt), the Avs taken Heiskanen, and Dallas takes Makar (who one of their own beat writers has said they really like) or they take whoever remains between Viladi/Glass/Mittelstadt.

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I'm not upset about NYI not having a 1st because Barzal is the most important piece to me. It would be nice to have a 1st added to that but a 2nd or 2018 1st wouldn't be awful.

All the same I can't stop dreaming about a 2017 1st + Barzal + CDH package. Adding Barzal, Vilardi/Heiskanen and Liljegren/Foote to our prospect pool in one weekend would be nuts.

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I have zero desire for Strome. He is pretty much the same as Grigorenko. And if the rumor of Sakic not being interested in Hamonic is true, I fail to see why he would be interested in De Haan instead.
I don't like Ryan Strome but he's light years better than Grigorenko. The two of them do not belong in the same sentence.

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I'm not upset about NYI not having a 1st because Barzal is the most important piece to me. It would be nice to have a 1st added to that but a 2nd or 2018 1st wouldn't be awful.

All the same I can't stop dreaming about a 2017 1st + Barzal + CDH package. Adding Barzal, Vilardi/Heiskanen and Liljegren/Foote to our prospect pool in one weekend would be nuts.
Keep in mind, we don't know for sure what deal the Isles have made with Vegas. Maybe they gave up their 2018 1st for them (or, alternatively, if a deal is made for Duchene, maybe we get their 2018 1st).

But one thing I'm wondering about now is Anaheim with Vegas. We're assuming that Anaheim is making it worth Vegas' while to not take Vatanen or Manson, perhaps they've offered up Jacob Larsson.

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It's going to be very, very interesting to see some deals Vegas makes with teams in order to not select certain players. If I'm GMGM, I'd be all over Josh Manson.

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For Manson it has to be steel or Larsson.

I think scandella is picked and flipped for Galchenyuk. I'm not too worried about Duchene's value the draft has always made the most sense especially if NYI have their pick and Foote is on the board. Cdh + barzal + Foote for Duchene and small + is a decent return and has a good pr spin for Sakic.

Cdh with the few minutes of Barrie play at the worlds, barzal as the 2c of the future and Foote for the nepotism.

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06-19-2017, 10:15 AM
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It'd be very Marc Bergevin to trade Galchenyuk for freaking Scandella.

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I'd do Duchene for De Haan and Barzal. Good value and it fills two needs at once.

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I'd do Duchene for De Haan and Barzal. Good value and it fills two needs at once.
It's just so underwhelming. But Isles fans are so convinced that Barzal will be better than Duchene, they'd likely hate it too.

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