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06-18-2017, 10:09 AM
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Something like this? Grab Glass in the draft and move everyone down.

Stempniak-Smith-Marchessault
Moulson-Grigorenko-Oshie
Brown-Eakin-Perron
Burmistrov-Kruger-Anderson
Bennett
Rychel
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De Hann-Dumba
Methot-Vatanen
Dillon-Miller
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Reinhart

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Mrazek
Raanta
Mason


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06-18-2017, 10:11 AM
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There are creditors investigating whether he was complicit with the money issues. I guess I meant to say that Johnson needs a stable, predictable life at this point so he can focus on playing hockey without distractions.
Was just gonna post this. Seems like Jack Jr. knows more than he's been telling

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06-18-2017, 10:13 AM
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Same with Stortini in San Jose.
Stortini has played exactly one NHL game since leaving the Oilers six years ago. Good talent evaluation OBC. Good talent evaluation.

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Well except for the fact that we gave up a 1st and a 2nd for Reinhart...

I mean.. if you manage to push that out of you're mind we are doing ok..
No real reason to dwell on the past. Chia made a mistake with the Reinhart deal. Still looks like a mistake whether or not Reinhart gets taken by the Knights. We don't even know if it was a mistake of any consequence yet.

Chia ain't perfect, but he's a gazillion times better than MacT or Tambo.

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06-18-2017, 10:19 AM
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In Anaheim (Eric Stephens), they're thinking they gave Vegas enough to keep Manson AND Vatanen, which would be interesting. At least they'd get to get some back in a Vatanen trade.
What in the blue hell would they have given Vegas to get them to do that?

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06-18-2017, 10:22 AM
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So vegas could be getting De Haan AND a first? snow

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06-18-2017, 10:22 AM
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Moulson, Matt

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Nelson, Brock

Grabner, Michael

Bellemare, Pierre-Edouard

Karlsson, William

Jaskin, Dmitrij

Rychel, Kerby

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Enstrom, Toby

Vatanen, Sami

Demers, Jason


Hamhuis, Dan

Dillon, Brenden

Lovejoy, Ben

Dumba, Matt

Cole, Ian

Miller, Colin

Van Riemsdyk, Trevor

Reinhart, Griffin

Sustr, Andrej

GOALTENDERS (3 - $5,000,000)

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Pickard, Calvin

Grubauer, Philipp


The team I drafted from the Protected list.

Interesting things they can do there. And three 25 year old startrin goalies.

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06-18-2017, 10:22 AM
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What in the blue hell would they have given Vegas to get them to do that?
And why didn't they just ask Bieksa to waive his NMC? No chance in hell Vegas would've picked him. If Enstrom can do it, why not Bieksa?

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06-18-2017, 10:23 AM
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What in the blue hell would they have given Vegas to get them to do that?
That's what I'm wondering.

If I'm McPhee, I'm telling the Ducks to not even bother unless they're selling most of a draft. One of those players is worth a lot.

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06-18-2017, 10:23 AM
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Yeah, unless Anaheim blew McPhee away, I can't imagine them not taking Vatanen or Manson. That would be insanity.
Even right now, the Oilers can tell Vegas they will give them eberle and a 1st for Vatanen. Ducks need to offer better than that to keep Manson and Vatanen, on top of what they offered to not take Manson. Teams will be lining up to offer Vegas stuff for one of those Ducks D.

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06-18-2017, 10:24 AM
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https://twitter.com/DarrenDreger/sta...48303952666624

So vegas could be getting De Haan AND a first? snow
Garth Snow is a really bad GM.
hooeey

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06-18-2017, 10:25 AM
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FORWARDS (15 - $34,853,333)
Ryan, Bobby

Plekanec, Tomas

Neal, James

Moulson, Matt

Stempniak, Lee

Nelson, Brock

Grabner, Michael

Bellemare, Pierre-Edouard

Karlsson, William

Jaskin, Dmitrij

Rychel, Kerby

Dowd, Nic

Chiasson, Alex

Burmistrov, Alexander

Chaput, Michael

DEFENSE (12 - $31,286,667)

Enstrom, Toby

Vatanen, Sami

Demers, Jason


Hamhuis, Dan

Dillon, Brenden

Lovejoy, Ben

Dumba, Matt

Cole, Ian

Miller, Colin

Van Riemsdyk, Trevor

Reinhart, Griffin

Sustr, Andrej

GOALTENDERS (3 - $5,000,000)

Mrazek, Petr

Pickard, Calvin

Grubauer, Philipp


The team I drafted from the Protected list.

Interesting things they can do there. And three 25 year old startrin goalies.
deal is in place for the NYI to give De Hann and first for them not take Nelson

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What in the blue hell would they have given Vegas to get them to do that?
No idea, we'll need to wait and see if it's true.

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06-18-2017, 10:26 AM
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deal is in place for the NYI to give De Hann and first for them not take Nelson
Or so is rumoured, until they're announced Vegas takes Nelson.

Besides, that I thought I did ok. They actually have a good bit of youth with some talent. They are better then some Oilers teams we've watched in the decade of darkness.

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06-18-2017, 10:27 AM
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Even right now, the Oilers can tell Vegas they will give them eberle and a 1st for Vatanen. Ducks need to offer better than that to keep Manson and Vatanen, on top of what they offered to not take Manson. Teams will be lining up to offer Vegas stuff for one of those Ducks D.
you under the impression a deal is not already in place

NHL has already said--Vegas has deals in place but wont announce them till wednesday

McPhee would be blackballed if he tried to undo deal he has made because an offer came in--talking heads say vegas has already filed several trades with--all because they have not been announced does not mean they are not official

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06-18-2017, 10:29 AM
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I hope Vegas rips Manson out of Anaheim and the rumours aren't true. Would be so nice not seeing him on the Ducks blue line. Either that or I hope they bend them over on the return. If I'm Vegas I'd just take Manson unless there were 2 1st and a couple prospects coming back. The guys a very good shutdown D and he's young with the potential to be a premier #2/3 shutdown D in the league.

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06-18-2017, 10:30 AM
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They did, and Vegas won. Anaheim won't be losing Manson.
I have not been following other teams lists. I was both surprised and disappointed.

The big names everyone is talking about won't be selected by Vegas because of side deals. Probably very generous side deals. I doubt Minnesota is paying anything more than a pick or two despite the insane value they left on the table.

The best players/opportunities IMO are actually the ones in FA.

A lot of players exposed that two years ago I would have snapped up in a heart beat.

In short I expect Vegas to end up with 2 to 4 extra firsts this year. Maybe 1 or 2 firsts next year. A smattering of deeper picks to bring the total to 10 to 12.

Outside of luck with FA, which I don't see now, they will have a much worse team than I think they should. However, unless they intentionally tank, they really shouldn't have a bad team either.

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Anything less than at least two firsts to not pick Vatanen or Manson would be insane.

I'd seriously question McPhee at that point. He has all the leverage.

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06-18-2017, 10:34 AM
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There are creditors investigating whether he was complicit with the money issues. I guess I meant to say that Johnson needs a stable, predictable life at this point so he can focus on playing hockey without distractions.
That's old news. Johnson's creditors were investigating him, but that's expected in a case of this nature. Johnson came to an agreement with his creditors two years ago. He basically played last season and will play this season for nothing. He has also agreed to pay 10 percent of his future salary to his creditors depending on term and aav.

Vegas won't be an issue for players. Why wouldn't a player be able to have a stable, predictable life playing for the Knights?

Edmonton has five casinos in the city limits with two within a 10 minute drive of the city. I think every city in the league has casinos within an hour drive.

If a player were looking for trouble he'd be able to find it in any city in the league.


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I would gladly deal Nuge + 22nd OA for Manson + 35th OA. There's next to no talent down the middle up for grabs in the ED. They'd still have a real solid D group without one of the Duck D.

Manson would be perfect partner for Sekera.

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you under the impression a deal is not already in place

NHL has already said--Vegas has deals in place but wont announce them till wednesday

McPhee would be blackballed if he tried to undo deal he has made because an offer came in--talking heads say vegas has already filed several trades with--all because they have not been announced does not mean they are not official
If there is a deal, he better at least be getting Silfverberg or Rakell (a guy they would have had to expose to protect those D) and a 1st for not taking both of those guys. If he just got a pick or 2, that is some terrible understanding of the value he is giving up.

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Anything less than at least two firsts to not pick Vatanen or Manson would be insane.

I'd seriously question McPhee at that point. He has all the leverage.
I could see them offering up a first and a prospect to not take either. Some one like Steel

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I could see them offering up a first and a prospect to not take either. Some one like Steel
Even that doesn't seem like near enough though.

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I would gladly deal Nuge + 22nd OA for Manson + 35th OA. There's next to no talent down the middle up for grabs in the ED. They'd still have a real solid D group without one of the Duck D.

Manson would be perfect partner for Sekera.
I like Manson and if he's free we should absolutely go after him, but that's is a really steep price!

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Even that doesn't seem like near enough though.
Well on top of them still selecting a player. The

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Even that doesn't seem like near enough though.
To protect both, they would have had to expose Rakkell or Silfverberg. And that is only if Bieksa waived, which he may not have agreed to do. Right off the bat one of those forwards is the starting price to stop Vegas from taking one of those D.

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