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06-19-2017, 01:36 PM
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Has literally nothing to do with that. If you can get more instead of settling for less, why wouldn't you?
He couldn't. Period. To believe otherwise makes no sense. There is no reason to believe a guy with a history of abusing other teams in trades would take anything less than the best overall deal for the Cs.

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And who cares if they save money? Are you Wyc or something?
It's important for Salary Cap reasons.

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He couldn't. Period. To believe otherwise makes no sense. There is no reason to believe a guy with a history of abusing other teams in trades would take anything less than the best overall deal for the Cs.
Yeah, nobody knows that. Plus why the rush? You could have let it run longer and gotten a team to overpay by waiting, or even drafting Fultz and then moving him, like Orlando did with Webber.

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It's important for Salary Cap reasons.
They have team option on Zeller and can walk from his $8 mill salary, freeing up that space. They also have guys like Crowder/Rozier who are on very reasonable deals that can be moved easily. Cap considerations should never be the reason you drop down in the draft. If you like another guy or in this case, 2, great. But not for cap implications. That's just dumb.

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I'd do #3 and another top 5 for #1 this year


People are more upset at the idea of trading the #1 pick than they are about losing the player they missed out

Fultz isn't a generational player. The Celtics clearly have him in the same tier as ball/Jackson/Tatum, or at least only slightly above them to make this well worth it. I doubt they are alone


Might not keep the picks anyway

If they stay at 3 I think Tatum is their guy. Next years draft has some nice bigs

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If you like another guy or in this case, 2, great. But not for cap implications. That's just dumb.
I'm only defending this deal because I believe Ainge likes Jackson more than Fultz or at least the way Jackson fits the team as it is currently set up. And of course making the trade just to save a few pesos would be crazy.

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Yeah, nobody knows that. Plus why the rush? You could have let it run longer and gotten a team to overpay by waiting, or even drafting Fultz and then moving him, like Orlando did with Webber.
WE know that. To say that Ainge is taking a lesser deal needs something ANYTHING to support it. It just makes zero sense.

Rush? The C's "won" the #1 pick two weeks ago. Plenty of time to figure out the market for the pick. Assuming they were only entertaining moving down to the #2 or #3 pick, that really limits your market. Another day or so of holding out for a better deal has a better chance at back-firing than anything. I'd argue that that's exactly what happened to them last year. Waited, then drafted a guy they didn't necessarily want, hoping to trade him to a desperate team. Nothing materialized.

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I love it for philly tho, easy decision for them

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They have team option on Zeller and can walk from his $8 mill salary, freeing up that space. They also have guys like Crowder/Rozier who are on very reasonable deals that can be moved easily. Cap considerations should never be the reason you drop down in the draft. If you like another guy or in this case, 2, great. But not for cap implications. That's just dumb.
NOBODY is arguing that they're moving down for cap reasons. Nobody.

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If they can get 2 top 5 picks next year and #3 this year I'm good with it. that's a big if though.

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have a bad feeling Danny is going to deal #3 as well, for more wildcards.

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After Fultz I kind of lump Fox/Smith/Ball/Tatum/Jackson/Monk all together

I think you can make an argument for any of them at any pick

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After Fultz I kind of lump Fox/Smith/Ball/Tatum/Jackson/Monk all together

I think you can make an argument for any of them at any pick
At this point, I want them to drop further down and grab Jonathan Isaac. Go for the real high upside of a guy still growing into his body.

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lol so the '19 pick can't even be #1. Awesome.

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At this point, I want them to drop further down and grab Jonathan Isaac. Go for the real high upside of a guy still growing into his body.
I like the way you think


Maybe move 3 for 5 and 10

I like Dennis smith a lot. He kinda reminds me of Westbrook. Not that I expect him to be a triple double machine or anything, just the sheer athletic ability and explosiveness he possesses

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I like the way you think


Maybe move 3 for 5 and 10
Yep. In a heartbeat.

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NOBODY is arguing that they're moving down for cap reasons. Nobody.
Go back and read the comment I responded to. I'll wait.

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Yep. In a heartbeat.
I know the Kings really like Fox and as I've pointed out....they are really dysfunctional


Maybe just maybe

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Maybe move 3 for 5 and 10

I like Dennis smith a lot. He kinda reminds me of Westbrook. Not that I expect him to be a triple double machine or anything, just the sheer athletic ability and explosiveness he possesses
I'd be good with this as well. They're not going to do anything against the Cavs or Warriors for the next few years. So I want as many young studs on the roster getting professional experience so they're poised when the window opens up.

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Go back and read the comment I responded to. I'll wait.
I read that post as sarcasm.

And, even if it's not, nowhere does it say THAT is the reason for the trade.

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I'd be good with this as well. They're not going to do anything against the Cavs or Warriors for the next few years. So I want as many young studs on the roster getting professional experience so they're poised when the window opens up.
I'm scared we just paved the way for Philly to ascend to the top when GS and Cleveland's reign is over. They were missing a point guard in their rebuilding effort and now we just gave them a key missing piece with Fultz. Embid, Fultz, and Saric are now gonna get to grow together and could become nightmares for the Celtics.

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At this point, I want them to drop further down and grab Jonathan Isaac. Go for the real high upside of a guy still growing into his body.
Yup. I want to see them get 5/10 and grab Isaac/Collins

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Yup. I want to see them get 5/10 and grab Isaac/Collins
I'd rather stop the bleeding a pick at 3. No more dealing. Whats next 5 and 10 for 15 18 and 20?

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He couldn't. Period. To believe otherwise makes no sense. There is no reason to believe a guy with a history of abusing other teams in trades would take anything less than the best overall deal for the Cs.
Thank you. I said it in the Sox thread about the Pomeranz deal and it applies here as well....we can all sit here and say they should've gotten more in return, but obviously they couldn't or Ainge would have taken it. He isn't going to take a worse deal just for fun.

Ideally this is going to work out perfect for them....they are going to get their top guy at #3 and pick up a very valuable future asset. It is a move straight out of Belichek's book...trade down to pick up more picks in the future. Obviously Philly views Fultz more favourably than Boston so Ainge took advantage of that to get another potential lottery pick from them. If Fultz was clearly their guy, they don't deal the pick plain and simple. Clearly there is something there that they aren't sold on, it's not like they are passing on a Duncan or an LBJ.

Besides, CLE and GS probably aren't going anywhere for a few years yet so having an extra top pick (hopefully) a couple years down the road makes a lot of sense in terms of their potential window to compete for the title.

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Yup. I want to see them get 5/10 and grab Isaac/Collins
Sign me up for that as well!

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