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07-01-2017, 12:01 PM
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a little heavy on the cash there, would have been fine with 2 years. that's the market though

maybe his decline was mostly injury related since it was pretty significant and he's only 26. probably playing over his head too. hopefully he bounces back getting 3rd pair minutes with myers

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07-01-2017, 12:05 PM
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How good would Kulikov be if he returned to form of his best season so far in his career? What I mean is has he shown flashes to be a top pairing defenseman? strong 2nd pairing?

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Did we ever target Wiercioch? Too expensive? Didn't want to play in Winnipeg?
Van got him for cheap 1 year, $650k.

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07-01-2017, 12:11 PM
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Based on Toby's play last year, I'm afraid Toby might be overestimated too. As well as Kulikov. Time will tell.
It's a projection model; it accounts for Toby's last season.

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07-01-2017, 12:12 PM
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Maybe he can be a decent #6 if he can cut down on the penalties but more likely his penalties are going to skyrocket with us
He's a great #6 if he cuts the penalties.

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07-01-2017, 12:12 PM
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Comparing Defenders from the charts above, I`m struck with the following:

(1) Kulikov has a considerably better EV Defence than the other players ( longer orange bar)- in fact, it is one of the better EVD`s in a much larger sample of D . Isn`t this basically what the Jets seem to need most in a 2nd or 3rd line LHD given the type of RHD we have.??

(2) Kulikov has been given opportunity to play, and seems to have done quite well, on the PP especially in earlier years, unlike the other players. Find this interesting given some of the observations about his "terrible shot". If not a good shot, he must have other attributes that enable him to be relatively successful on the PP ?

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07-01-2017, 12:19 PM
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You guys will like him, he's great defensively.

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07-01-2017, 12:21 PM
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He's a great #6 if he cuts the penalties.
Which is kind of what we needed for this season.

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Comparing Defenders from the charts above, I`m struck with the following:

(1) Kulikov has a considerably better EV Defence than the other players ( longer orange bar)- in fact, it is one of the better EVD`s in a much larger sample of D . Isn`t this basically what the Jets seem to need most in a 2nd or 3rd line LHD given the type of RHD we have.??

(2) Kulikov has been given opportunity to play, and seems to have done quite well, on the PP especially in earlier years, unlike the other players. Find this interesting given some of the observations about his "terrible shot". If not a good shot, he must have other attributes that enable him to be relatively successful on the PP ?
I completely agree on 1.

I don't really know on 2.

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I don't think there's anyway they are paying this guy the dough they are to be a 6-7 D. You can get depth for much less than that. He has to be playing top 4, at least in Chevy's / Maurice's minds.

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07-01-2017, 12:23 PM
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For that much money I have a feeling they envision him as Buff's partner on the 2nd pairing. I'm just happy they finally got someone to help the defense. Is Kulikov a good pker?

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07-01-2017, 12:27 PM
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Comparing Defenders from the charts above, I`m struck with the following:

(1) Kulikov has a considerably better EV Defence than the other players ( longer orange bar)- in fact, it is one of the better EVD`s in a much larger sample of D . Isn`t this basically what the Jets seem to need most in a 2nd or 3rd line LHD given the type of RHD we have.??

(2) Kulikov has been given opportunity to play, and seems to have done quite well, on the PP especially in earlier years, unlike the other players. Find this interesting given some of the observations about his "terrible shot". If not a good shot, he must have other attributes that enable him to be relatively successful on the PP ?
I think the PP Offense may be a bit luck driven. Just a guess.

EV O and EV D are the most "stable" statistics, so they closest align to "true talent". Usage can impact PP O quite a bit.

I agree he is good for a shutdown defensive role in limited minutes.

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07-01-2017, 12:28 PM
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You guys will like him, he's great defensively.
Love to hear that. Winnipeg needs to get all the skilled defensive dmen we can get.

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I don't care about the cost. Upgraded dman and goalie plus no thorburn and Stuart makes a perfect offseason.

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I don't think there's anyway they are paying this guy the dough they are to be a 6-7 D. You can get depth for much less than that. He has to be playing top 4, at least in Chevy's / Maurice's minds.
Realistically in Winnipeg it's takes 5 or 6 D Men to fill our top 4 slots so there's that.

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07-01-2017, 12:34 PM
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I don't care about the cost. Upgraded dman and goalie plus no thorburn and Stuart makes a perfect offseason.
Ok that seems like a positive post??

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07-01-2017, 12:35 PM
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It's a projection model; it accounts for Toby's last season.
Yes, but would also include his better seasons.

I think Enstrom's decline is going to be more pronounced. Just my opinion.

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07-01-2017, 12:41 PM
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I ain't even mad about the money. Perhaps this is the cost of being Winnipeg. I'm glad Chevy plugged the hole.

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07-01-2017, 12:43 PM
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Wanted 2 years at 3.5M ... so I'm okay with it but not overly happy. Would be really interesting to know if Chevy was after Wiercioch in any way. For the money he signed, he's a sure bet to be at least a good value signing easily.

Still:

IN:
- Mason
- Kulikov

OUT:
- Pavelec
- Thorburn
- Stuart

is pretty much EVERYTHING we ever wanted for this off season. If Chevy tops it with a great value signing for a bottom 6 PK specialist, I'm gonna go ahead and give Chevy an A already in early July.

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07-01-2017, 12:44 PM
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Love it. Not sure why people care about the price. Jets are no where near the cap.

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07-01-2017, 12:53 PM
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Wanted 2 years at 3.5M ... so I'm okay with it but not overly happy. Would be really interesting to know if Chevy was after Wiercioch in any way. For the money he signed, he's a sure bet to be at least a good value signing easily.

Still:

IN:
- Mason
- Kulikov

OUT:
- Pavelec
- Thorburn
- Stuart

is pretty much EVERYTHING we ever wanted for this off season. If Chevy tops it with a great value signing for a bottom 6 PK specialist, I'm gonna go ahead and give Chevy an A already in early July.
If Trouba signs long-term this summer, it's A+ regardless. We have a damn good PK specialist in Armia, I'm not entirely sure we need to bring another in.

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07-01-2017, 12:56 PM
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Yes, but would also include his better seasons.

I think Enstrom's decline is going to be more pronounced. Just my opinion.
Yes, but there is directionality to age curves. It doesn't average past results...

I actually disagree and believe the opposite. Enstrom's defensive impact has been fairly stable the past few years. His offense was shot, but he also had about half his normal sh% and IAP (assists per on ice goal). Both of those are things are typically signs that a player underperformed their true talent impact on offense.

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Love it. Not sure why people care about the price. Jets are no where near the cap.
It's not so much the price as the 3 year term that's scary... there's a lot of good players who are going to need raises in the next three years... most importantly being Laine. The Laine contract is the main reason where I think a 2 year term for kulikov wouldn't have been an issue but 3 years makes me nervous.

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He was pretty good in Florida. Not outstanding, but a solid D-man. Horrendous his last year in Buffalo, but much of that can probably be attributed to a back injury and Bylsma.
He was declining in florida. There's a reason they traded him.

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