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03-31-2006, 04:18 PM
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Who other than AM and JVB have paid the price so far?

I takes real guts to admit fault when there are no consequences....

So?

AEG doesn't need the Kings. So why should they spend money on them? Only reason they do is becuase of TL.

But if you would rather have a team with completly no talent and no investment with a min-salary then be my guest....

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Remember when Dave Taylor later said he was looking to make a trade and e eventually brought in Parrish (good) and Sopel (bad)
Remember when Taylor also said he was looking to add a defensive defenseman during the offseason, and didn't acquire one?

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03-31-2006, 04:19 PM
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Remember when Taylor also said he was looking to add a defensive defenseman during the offseason, and didn't acquire one?

This is why DT should never make comments to the press.

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First of all, I do not believe that our prospect pool is that thin. With that said, I don't see how you can compare us to teams like Atlanta, Pittsburgh or Washington (We are better than Florida overall) when the highest pick we've had is 11th. I'd say we've done pretty well finding talent at where we've been drafting(sans 2001).

Should we have torn down, and rebuilt or maybe even tanked when we had our injury seasons? Hell yes. Why didn't we? I blame it on the season ticket holders and managements lack of ball, and ownerships need desire for $$$.

We could have easily have nabbed Malkin or Ovechkin had smart decions been made.

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03-31-2006, 04:23 PM
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First of all, I do not believe that our prospect pool is that thin. With that said, I don't see how you can compare us to teams like Atlanta, Pittsburgh or Washington (We are better than Florida overall) when the highest pick we've had is 11th. I'd say we've done pretty well finding talent at where we've been drafting(sans 2001).

I agree.

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Should we have torn down, and rebuilt or maybe even tanked when we had our injury seasons? Hell yes. Why didn't we? I blame it on the season ticket holders and managements lack of ball, and ownerships need desire for $$$.

Hockey doesn't bring in money. So just forget about that part.

I continue to think that the JA trade was a good idea. Its just that when it went bad it took the team down for a few years.

I really don't buy the whole "rebuilding thing" seems that teams that do that never get out of it....


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We could have easily have nabbed Malkin or Ovechkin had smart decions been made.
I don't think so. Its hard to be as bad as the Pens are Caps were.

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03-31-2006, 04:28 PM
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Kings could miss every playoff for the rest of eternity and nothing would happen to Leiweke.

The reason is that he isn't a part of the Kings organization. Guy is the head of AEG in the region. You know that whole downtown LA re-organization thing? Thats all Leiweke. The guy is working on multi-Billion dollar investments. Kings are just a hobby at best.

He only keeps in contact with the Kings because he likes hockey. which by the way is the only reason why the Kings have had any money invested in them.

Best Kings team in a decade.... Probably not. I still think the team that just got Jason Allison was the best team since Wayne.

But the team this year was close on paper.

The season my be gone but that doesn't mean at the beginning it didn't look promasing.

I don't know honestly. At least he had the guts to admite that it was everyone in the organizations fault including himself for this season. He didn't just use AM as a scape-goat.
Which is why I'm not sure that Leiweke should lose his job. His job is to run the AEG partnership and, for all I know, he might be doing a damn profitable job at it. But the Kings are one of those assets of the partnership for which he can be held accountable for. Whether he is, is up to PA. Failing to meet expectations this season began with him.

I too think the Allison/Deader/Tippett teams were better and thought that at the beginning of the year. I feel sorry for the STH that bought into the statements of someone that does not have the hockey training to make an accurate assessment and took him for his word. Close on paper? That is subject to interpretation. I didn't think so. In the beginning, things did look promising because literally everything was going right. But there were still a lot of indicators that the team was setting up for a fall and fall they did.

It's easy to admit that everyone within the organization is to blame without going into specifics why you are also to blame. That's tantamount to accpeting the blame when you say "we lose as a team". Here's an idea, let's hear what you (Leiweke) would have done differently instead of just ambiguously identifying the entire organization is to blame then canning the coach.

It may look like I am fishing for Leiweke. I really am not. Believe me, I am FAR more pissed at the players than anything. FAR FAR more, so much so that I am not even going to bother to rant about them. But I want to make sure that, as Leiweke starts canning the coaches and the GM (possibly) and others, he understands that he is just as much a part of this as everyone else.

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03-31-2006, 04:31 PM
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I don't think so. Its hard to be as bad as the Pens are Caps were.
Yes because when Derek Armstrong is your number one center it's easy to be good. Bottom line, we should have traded Matty a long time ago. And just think we might have gotten some assets for Palffy too.

Yeah, the Allison trade wasn't a bad idea except for the fact that he's had problems in EVERY orgaization that he'd ever been in.

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Yes because when Derek Armstrong is your number one center it's easy to be good. Bottom line, we should have traded Matty a long time ago. And just think we might have gotten some assets for Palffy too.

Yeah, the Allison trade wasn't a bad idea except for the fact that he's had problems in EVERY orgaization that he'd ever been in.

Thats the point!

Think of how bad we would have had to be. Palffy was out for much of those two seasons and even with Armstrong as our 1st line center and maybe MAYBE 2 or 3 total top-6 players we still were better then the Caps and the Pens.

Heck we were the LA Monarchs and we still were better then the Caps and the Pens.

At the end of the day you can stay alot of bad things about AM but he could make crappy players look decent and below average teams average...

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03-31-2006, 04:57 PM
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What does overachieve really mean?

My definition for players is give everything you got on any given night. The Flames, Red Wings, Minnesota and now Montreal do it all the time. The Kings did with Andy Murray except for a short period of time at the end of last season and again starting in February this year. The goods teams have to overachieve to be successful, the bad teams overachieve to be average.........Murray got the most of an average team making it look like a good team for quite a long period of time. To me that is the definition of a good coach.

What happened? Roenick took over in the dressing room and Murray lost his power. The overachievers started showing up only occasionaly. Lieweke broke policy (and it was his decision to bring in Roenick). The policy was to recruit players with character. Roenick is a character as in an ahole but not the type of character in the policy.

Also, injuries played a major role the last few years. An overachieveing team without depth due to financial limitations is fragile. When key components are lost and the team loses they are not rewarded for their hard work and the mental grind starts taking a toll.

We have a good team that only needs a few changes. I think we have more than $10MM to spend to reach cap and Roenick has to be replaced by someone good and we also need some size on defense.

Taylor has done a good job and our 2nd, third and fourth lines are going to be healthy for years to come meaning, "stocked with good young players from within the organization that are reasonably priced." We need a few ****** for the first line and we have to max out on the salary cap.

For coach. I'd say another Murray type demander. If you want to take a chance: Mark Messier.

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What does overachieve really mean?

My definition for players is give everything you got on any given night. The Flames, Red Wings, Minnesota and now Montreal do it all the time. The Kings did with Andy Murray except for a short period of time at the end of last season and again starting in February this year. The goods teams have to overachieve to be successful, the bad teams overachieve to be average.........Murray got the most of an average team making it look like a good team for quite a long period of time. To me that is the definition of a good coach.
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Damn good post. Spot on.

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Dust off an old thread in light of the McSorely comments.

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Dust off an old thread in light of the McSorely comments.
toe blake for the next coach?

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But what Leiweke did was open his mouth about a topic in which he knows nothing about (player personnel) and put his GM, his coach, and his players up against the wall, blindfolded and with a cigarette in their mouths to sell some extra tix. That, in a nut shell, is his fatal mistake. When he starts talking about who's to blame and who is working for their job, he needs to take a good look in the mirror first. I don't know / don't think he should lose his job. But he definitely does need to keep his nose out of things he shouldn't be poking it into.
Maybe my real name is Martin McSorely.

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toe blake for the next coach?
Even Toe couldn't save this team. We need an entire foot... in some peoples' arses.

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Maybe my real name is Martin McSorely.
I thought it was Woody Holephiller...

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Even Toe couldn't save this team. We need an entire foot... in some peoples' arses.
well, one arse got the boot yesterday...now, lets include a hip with that.

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I thought it was Woody Holephiller...
That was my past. And they told me they were art films!

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That was my past. And they told me they were art films!
I know, I know...you were young and you needed the money...yada yada yada.

LOL!

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