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07-04-2017, 03:33 AM
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Top salaries in other sports (comparing to future McDavid contract)

There is talk, that Connor McJesus will have one of the best salaries in NHL. If not the best. There is talk about 13 500 000 per season.

How it is wit others sports?

NBA? NFL? MLB? MLS?

Lacrosse? AFL? SlammBall?

Soccer in Europe?

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There is talk, that Connor McJesus will have one of the best salaries in NHL. If not the best. There is talk about 13 500 000 per season.

How it is wit others sports?

NBA? NFL? MLB? MLS?

Lacrosse? AFL? SlammBall?

Soccer in Europe?
Football/Soccer: Cristiano Ronaldo $58,000,000 (salary+bonuses) - https://www.forbes.com/sites/christi...-lead-the-list
F1: Fernando Alonso $40,000,000 (salary+bonuses) - http://www.foxsports.com/motor/galle...in-2017-021317
MLB: Clayton Kershaw $35,571,428 - http://www.spotrac.com/mlb/rankings/
NBA: Stephen Curry $34,682,550 - http://www.spotrac.com/nba/rankings/cash/
NFL: Andrew Luck $27,000,000 - http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/cash/
Nascar: Jimmie Johnson $21,800,000 (everything included) - https://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbad...t-paid-driver/
Tennis: Novak Djokovic $21,646,145 (2015) - http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/news/...oney-milestone
MLS: Kaka $7,167,500 - http://www.spotrac.com/mls/rankings/


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NBA 2016/17

LeBron James ($30,963,450)
Al Horford ($26,540,100)
DeMar DeRozan ($26,540,100)
James Harden ($26,540,100)

MLB 2017

Clayton Kershaw ($35,571,428)
Zack Greinke ($34,000,000)
David Price ($30,000,000)
Jason Heyward ($28,166,666)

NFL

Joe Flacco ($24,550,000)
Carson Palmer ($24,125,000)
Kirk Cousins ($23,943,600)
Matt Ryan ($23,750,000)

MLS

Ricardo Kaká ($7,167,500)
Sebastian Giovinco ($7,115,556)
Michael Bradley ($6,500,000)
Andrea Pirlo ($5,915,690)

Premier League

Paul Pogba (£15,080,000)
Wayne Rooney (£13,520,000)
Zlatan Ibrahimovic (£13,000,000)

Rugby

Ayumu Goromaru (£1,400,000)
Dan Carter (£1,400,000)
Matt Giteau (£900,000)

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I think it's important to factor in the league's overall revenue when evaluating the salary of their biggest stars.

NFL - 12.5 Billion
Highest paid stars:
Derek Carr - 25 M (0.2%)
Andrew Luck - 24.5M (0.196%)
Average - league-wide: 2.4 M (0.0192%)

MLB - 9.5 Billion
Highest paid stars:
Clayton Kershaw - 33 M (.347%)
Zack Greinke - 31 M (0.326%)
Average - league-wide: 4.4 M (0.046%)

NBA - 5.9 Billion
Highest paid stars:
Lebron James - 31 M (.525%)
Kevin Durant - 26.5 M (0.449%)
Average - league-wide: 6.2 M (0.105%)

NHL - 3.3 Billion
Highest paid stars:
Toews/Kane/Kopitar - 13.8 M (.418%)
Sidney Crosby - 10.89M (0.33%)
Average - league-wide: 2.9 M (0.088%)

Premier League (England) - 4 Billion
Highest paid stars:
Paul Pogba - 18.8 M (.47%)
Sergio Aguero - 16.14 M (.404%)
Average - league-wide: 3.2 M (0.08%)

La Liga (Spain) - 2.4 Billion
Highest paid stars:
Ronaldo - 24.5 M (1.02%)
Messi - 24.5 M (1.02%)
Bale - 23.6M (0.98%)
Average - league-wide: 1.6 M (.066%)

Don't fret on exact numbers here...but the idea is to show if anything stands out from these numbers.

The NFL is clearly the league that shells out less per player (in comparison to revenue) but that is also due to the fact that the rosters are significantly larger. The overall proportion of salaries to revenues likely evens things out.

Other interesting observations:
- The NHL is very close in numbers to the premier league in England in both average salary and revenue. The Premier League must compete with many more leagues for the top players...hence the higher salaries paid to their top players.
- La Liga (ok...Real Madrid and Barca) invests heavily in the best players (they literally have the top 3-4 most expensive players in soccer). Their average salary is slightly less than in England (or other sports pro sports mentioned).
- The NBA has the highest of all ratios for both star salaries and average salary. That said, they also have the smallest rosters.

conclusion: The NHL is not out of whack here...carry on.

anyway, my 2 cents on the matter.

edit: seems like I may be off on Ronaldo and Messi bonuses...I only factored in their base salary. Only reinforces my analysis of spanish soccer.


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Interesting comparison with Premier League. Never thought about it.

And how it looks like i some exotic sport arts? As mentioned above lacrosse, Arena Football...? Or lets say Rugby in Europe. Or Cricket in England, India, Pakistan....?

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And how it looks like i some exotic sport arts? As mentioned above lacrosse, Arena Football...? Or lets say Rugby in Europe. Or Cricket in England, India, Pakistan....?
Virat Kohli $6.9m + another $20m in endorsements http://www.totalsportek.com/money/richest-cricketers/

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And how it looks like i some exotic sport arts? As mentioned above lacrosse, Arena Football...? Or lets say Rugby in Europe. Or Cricket in England, India, Pakistan....?
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Ayumu Goromaru (£1,400,000)
Dan Carter (£1,400,000)
Matt Giteau (£900,000)

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It blows my mind that a 20-30ish overall player in Kyle Lowry signs a $30,000,000 deal and no one blinks an eye, but McDavid's $13,000,000 deal is blowing minds.

I know, different revenues, etc. Just quite a juxtaposition.

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It blows my mind that a 20-30ish overall player in Kyle Lowry signs a $30,000,000 deal and no one blinks an eye, but McDavid's $13,000,000 deal is blowing minds.

I know, different revenues, etc. Just quite a juxtaposition.
It's not that much a question of revenues. NBA's revenues are almost (but not quite) double that of the NHL, but salaries are much more than double on the high end.

In the NBA players are on the court for a greater amount of the game, and can have a much bigger impact on the overall score. LeBron James averaged 37.8 minutes per game last year, while Connor McDavid averaged 20:20 per game.

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It's not that much a question of revenues. NBA's revenues are almost (but not quite) double that of the NHL, but salaries are much more than double on the high end.

In the NBA players are on the court for a greater amount of the game, and can have a much bigger impact on the overall score. LeBron James averaged 37.8 minutes per game last year, while Connor McDavid averaged 20:20 per game.
Also, we have to remember that NBA games are only 48 minutes long.

McDavid will play 1/3 of a game.

Your top NBA star will play at least 4/5 of a game.

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Also, we have to remember that NBA games are only 48 minutes long.

McDavid will play 1/3 of a game.

Your top NBA star will play at least 4/5 of a game.
And as I stated previously, basketball has a smaller roster size...so more money can be forked over per player.

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- The NHL is very close in numbers to the premier league in England in both average salary and revenue. The Premier League must compete with many more leagues for the top players...hence the higher salaries paid to their top players.
EPL recently got an improved TV deal, anticipation of which may also explain some of the salary rises. Most importantly though, different sources of revenue, which interplay with the salary dynamic.

1. When you invest in McDavid, you could reasonable expect to trade him for a huge haul of NHLers, picks and prospects (or just have McDavid on your team of course). When you tie Ronaldo to the team with a huge contract, you can expect to transfer him for 100 million bucks one day. Only one of those things shows up in the bottom line.

2. The NHL jointly markets a lot more than the European leagues. EPL teams have individual contracts with adidas, Nike, etc. Whoever has the most marketable faces gets the most money.

3. While the league EPL generated only a little more revenue than the league NHL in the last year, the EPL is part of a larger revenue generating system. Those teams paying the top players, they usually also get money from the Champions League and other UEFA and FIFA events. CL alone makes another 1.3 billion Euros in revenue.

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And as I stated previously, basketball has a smaller roster size...so more money can be forked over per player.
Yup and add the fact that expenses are less in basketball too. Less players means less travel expenses, a lot less equipment, ice is harder to maintain than a wooden floor etc...

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interesting chat. I found this avg length of career info here as per the pro-athlete financial management company, RAM Financial.

NFL: 3.5 years
NBA: 4.8 years
MLB: 5.6 years
NHL: 5.5 years

dunno how relevant it is here or how the math would be affected, but its a noticeable difference for some leagues. might be fun to do an inequality measure between elites and avg players for the 4 leagues.

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I think it's important to factor in the league's overall revenue when evaluating the salary of their biggest stars.

NFL - 12.5 Billion
Highest paid stars:
Derek Carr - 25 M (0.2%)
Andrew Luck - 24.5M (0.196%)
Average - league-wide: 2.4 M (0.0192%)

MLB - 9.5 Billion
Highest paid stars:
Clayton Kershaw - 33 M (.347%)
Zack Greinke - 31 M (0.326%)
Average - league-wide: 4.4 M (0.046%)

NBA - 5.9 Billion
Highest paid stars:
Lebron James - 31 M (.525%)
Kevin Durant - 26.5 M (0.449%)
Average - league-wide: 6.2 M (0.105%)

NHL - 3.3 Billion
Highest paid stars:
Toews/Kane/Kopitar - 13.8 M (.418%)
Sidney Crosby - 10.89M (0.33%)
Average - league-wide: 2.9 M (0.088%)

Premier League (England) - 4 Billion
Highest paid stars:
Paul Pogba - 18.8 M (.47%)
Sergio Aguero - 16.14 M (.404%)
Average - league-wide: 3.2 M (0.08%)

La Liga (Spain) - 2.4 Billion
Highest paid stars:
Ronaldo - 24.5 M (1.02%)
Messi - 24.5 M (1.02%)
Bale - 23.6M (0.98%)
Average - league-wide: 1.6 M (.066%)

Don't fret on exact numbers here...but the idea is to show if anything stands out from these numbers.

The NFL is clearly the league that shells out less per player (in comparison to revenue) but that is also due to the fact that the rosters are significantly larger. The overall proportion of salaries to revenues likely evens things out.

Other interesting observations:
- The NHL is very close in numbers to the premier league in England in both average salary and revenue. The Premier League must compete with many more leagues for the top players...hence the higher salaries paid to their top players.
- La Liga (ok...Real Madrid and Barca) invests heavily in the best players (they literally have the top 3-4 most expensive players in soccer). Their average salary is slightly less than in England (or other sports pro sports mentioned).
- The NBA has the highest of all ratios for both star salaries and average salary. That said, they also have the smallest rosters.

conclusion: The NHL is not out of whack here...carry on.

anyway, my 2 cents on the matter.

edit: seems like I may be off on Ronaldo and Messi bonuses...I only factored in their base salary. Only reinforces my analysis of spanish soccer.
What is the source for your revenue numbers? I am a bit surprised that Premier League, which is basically a global brand, would have the same revenues as NHL, mostly a NA brand. Not to mention, that teams like ManU (or Real Madrid and Barcelona in La Liga) are far more valuable than any NHL team. ManU alone is worth 3.7 billion. Barcelona probably can pay Messi's salary from revenues of Messi branded merchandise alone.

Is the league revenue just the sum of each team revenues? If so, I am quite surprised by those figures.

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^ Would you think the NHL is just as much a global brand as the British Premier League?

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I think it's important to factor in the league's overall revenue when evaluating the salary of their biggest stars.

NFL - 12.5 Billion
Highest paid stars:
Derek Carr - 25 M (0.2%)
Andrew Luck - 24.5M (0.196%)
Average - league-wide: 2.4 M (0.0192%)

MLB - 9.5 Billion
Highest paid stars:
Clayton Kershaw - 33 M (.347%)
Zack Greinke - 31 M (0.326%)
Average - league-wide: 4.4 M (0.046%)

NBA - 5.9 Billion
Highest paid stars:
Lebron James - 31 M (.525%)
Kevin Durant - 26.5 M (0.449%)
Average - league-wide: 6.2 M (0.105%)

NHL - 3.3 Billion
Highest paid stars:
Toews/Kane/Kopitar - 13.8 M (.418%)
Sidney Crosby - 10.89M (0.33%)
Average - league-wide: 2.9 M (0.088%)

Premier League (England) - 4 Billion
Highest paid stars:
Paul Pogba - 18.8 M (.47%)
Sergio Aguero - 16.14 M (.404%)
Average - league-wide: 3.2 M (0.08%)

La Liga (Spain) - 2.4 Billion
Highest paid stars:
Ronaldo - 24.5 M (1.02%)
Messi - 24.5 M (1.02%)
Bale - 23.6M (0.98%)
Average - league-wide: 1.6 M (.066%)

Don't fret on exact numbers here...but the idea is to show if anything stands out from these numbers.

The NFL is clearly the league that shells out less per player (in comparison to revenue) but that is also due to the fact that the rosters are significantly larger. The overall proportion of salaries to revenues likely evens things out.

Other interesting observations:
- The NHL is very close in numbers to the premier league in England in both average salary and revenue. The Premier League must compete with many more leagues for the top players...hence the higher salaries paid to their top players.
- La Liga (ok...Real Madrid and Barca) invests heavily in the best players (they literally have the top 3-4 most expensive players in soccer). Their average salary is slightly less than in England (or other sports pro sports mentioned).
- The NBA has the highest of all ratios for both star salaries and average salary. That said, they also have the smallest rosters.

conclusion: The NHL is not out of whack here...carry on.

anyway, my 2 cents on the matter.

edit: seems like I may be off on Ronaldo and Messi bonuses...I only factored in their base salary. Only reinforces my analysis of spanish soccer.
I'd be interested to know the trend of each league. It actually surprises me the NHL is so close to the top three. They're by far the worst in terms of marketing, footprint, and penetration of growing demographics.

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^ Would you think the NHL is just as much a global brand as the British Premier League?
That's the point, I think it is not, so revenues are closed than I would have thought. My uneducated guess would have been that BPL revenues are closed to NFL than NHL.

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Global brand or not, the EPL is still a 20-club league in a country(+Wales) of 50+m people. And for every Man utd. or Arsenal you have clubs like Brighton & Hove Albion or Huddersfield that don't exactly ooze global flair.

Europe as a sports market in general is way less "commercially developed" than NA and especially in case of a sport like soccer there's still that, somewhat misguided, idea of it being a "working class/people's game". While fans in Europe are usually passionate and loyal, even in wealthier European countries people, on average, have less money to spend on sports and entertainment than North Americans. While an NFL game broadcast is, what, 90% commercials, the lack of natural breaks in game action really limits soccer's value as a TV product. You'd also think the reg. season + playoffs structure in use in North American pro sports creates more revenue than the balanced home and away format of the EPL.

It's incredible how massive and lucrative North America is as a sports market. There's a reason most of the biggest soccer clubs tour the US almost every summer and are putting more and more effort into marketing themselves to Americans.


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What is the source for your revenue numbers? I am a bit surprised that Premier League, which is basically a global brand, would have the same revenues as NHL, mostly a NA brand. Not to mention, that teams like ManU (or Real Madrid and Barcelona in La Liga) are far more valuable than any NHL team. ManU alone is worth 3.7 billion. Barcelona probably can pay Messi's salary from revenues of Messi branded merchandise alone.

Is the league revenue just the sum of each team revenues? If so, I am quite surprised by those figures.
The numbers appear to only take into account TV rights. so no attendence/radio merch sales

Premier league annual TV revenue between 2016-2019:
Domestic 2.6 Billion
International 1.4 Billion

The contracts work on a 3 season basis, one of the already agreed deals for the 2019-2022 period is an increase of $668m from the previous one from $32m to $700m in China

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Not really. Olynyk will enjoy that Florida no-income tax while Canada will tax the **** out of McDavid!

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6'11 forward out of Kamloops, who played his college ball for the Gonzaga Bulldogs. Got drafted by Boston and was released so that they could make room for Gordon Hayward. He just signed with the Miami Heat for $50 million over 4 years. He comes off the bench.

Played four years with Boston, averaging about 20 minutes a game. Scores an average of 9.5 points per game. Low of 8.7 to a high of 10.2.

And yes, he'll make a fair chunk more due to the tax difference between Miami and Edmonton.

Just the economics of the NBA over the NHL. Plus the NBA has a luxury tax vs a hard NHL cap.

That might be a talking about for the players going into the next CBA negotiations. Find a way to get a luxury tax.

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I think it's important to factor in the league's overall revenue when evaluating the salary of their biggest stars.

NFL - 12.5 Billion
Highest paid stars:
Derek Carr - 25 M (0.2%)
Andrew Luck - 24.5M (0.196%)
Average - league-wide: 2.4 M (0.0192%)

MLB - 9.5 Billion
Highest paid stars:
Clayton Kershaw - 33 M (.347%)
Zack Greinke - 31 M (0.326%)
Average - league-wide: 4.4 M (0.046%)

NBA - 5.9 Billion
Highest paid stars:
Lebron James - 31 M (.525%)
Kevin Durant - 26.5 M (0.449%)
Average - league-wide: 6.2 M (0.105%)

NHL - 3.3 Billion
Highest paid stars:
Toews/Kane/Kopitar - 13.8 M (.418%)
Sidney Crosby - 10.89M (0.33%)
Average - league-wide: 2.9 M (0.088%)

Premier League (England) - 4 Billion
Highest paid stars:
Paul Pogba - 18.8 M (.47%)
Sergio Aguero - 16.14 M (.404%)
Average - league-wide: 3.2 M (0.08%)

La Liga (Spain) - 2.4 Billion
Highest paid stars:
Ronaldo - 24.5 M (1.02%)
Messi - 24.5 M (1.02%)
Bale - 23.6M (0.98%)
Average - league-wide: 1.6 M (.066%)

Don't fret on exact numbers here...but the idea is to show if anything stands out from these numbers.

The NFL is clearly the league that shells out less per player (in comparison to revenue) but that is also due to the fact that the rosters are significantly larger. The overall proportion of salaries to revenues likely evens things out.

Other interesting observations:
- The NHL is very close in numbers to the premier league in England in both average salary and revenue. The Premier League must compete with many more leagues for the top players...hence the higher salaries paid to their top players.
- La Liga (ok...Real Madrid and Barca) invests heavily in the best players (they literally have the top 3-4 most expensive players in soccer). Their average salary is slightly less than in England (or other sports pro sports mentioned).
- The NBA has the highest of all ratios for both star salaries and average salary. That said, they also have the smallest rosters.

conclusion: The NHL is not out of whack here...carry on.

anyway, my 2 cents on the matter.

edit: seems like I may be off on Ronaldo and Messi bonuses...I only factored in their base salary. Only reinforces my analysis of spanish soccer.
Factor into this the number of players teams have on contract and the NBA would drop a lot. I mean....the NBA has like 14 players under contract (used the Pistons randomly), the Red Wings have 44 players under contract. Tigers 38, Lions 91.

So the NHL has more players under contract than both the MLB and NBA (more than NBA by a lot). NBA plays the same number of games in the same venues....but with 30 less players to pay.

I think the NHL is looking pretty good. Their own development league.....salary cap in place....better setup as a business really. When looking at all the factors....they're in good shape anyway.

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Factor into this the number of players teams have on contract and the NBA would drop a lot. I mean....the NBA has like 14 players under contract (used the Pistons randomly), the Red Wings have 44 players under contract. Tigers 38, Lions 91.

So the NHL has more players under contract than both the MLB and NBA (more than NBA by a lot). NBA plays the same number of games in the same venues....but with 30 less players to pay.

I think the NHL is looking pretty good. Their own development league.....salary cap in place....better setup as a business really. When looking at all the factors....they're in good shape anyway.
Lions, or any other NFL team for that matter, may bring 91 to camp, but they certainly do not have 91 under contract. NFL has an 53 man roster, with 46 allowed to be active during a regular season game.

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