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07-09-2017, 03:44 PM
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Wait now your advocating a scorched earth rebuild?

But No, Tatar and mrazek alone are not good enough to get this team into the playoffs last year, this year or next year
No, I want to keep Tatar (and we will). I was saying moving him
would make sense if we're tanking. And I said "those type of guys", I'd include Nyquist/Dekeyser/Mantha/AA on the list of players we should consider trading for picks if we're tanking.

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No, I want to keep Tatar (and we will). I was saying moving him
would make sense if we're tanking. And I said "those type of guys", I'd include Nyquist/Dekeyser/Mantha/AA on the list of players we should consider trading for picks if we're tanking.
Ah ok

Gotcha

I don't think we need to move Martha or AA in order to tank better however

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07-09-2017, 09:26 PM
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this is underrating Howard quite a bit

maybe it was a bad idea to give him the term he got considering he's a Goalie and also had a history of underperforming in his contract years which wasn't a great mental sign(he had bad years both times he was up for a contract)

but to say he never deserved $5 million(a middle of the pack Goalie cap hit when he signed his contract) is just flat out wrong

he has been very good at his best

if you look at the two year period from 2011-2013 he had THE highest even strength save percentage(a much better indicator of future performance than overall save percentage) among Goalies with 1000+ minutes played

http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/rati...t&sortdir=DESC
I'll grant you that out of the batch of contracts we're discussing, his isn't the worst. He's a mid level NHL goalie, not an elite level goalie. I think Winger asks a good question by asking how much separation there is in that middle group. I don't know off the top of my head.

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07-09-2017, 09:35 PM
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No, I want to keep Tatar (and we will). I was saying moving him
would make sense if we're tanking. And I said "those type of guys", I'd include Nyquist/Dekeyser/Mantha/AA on the list of players we should consider trading for picks if we're tanking.
Trade Mike Green and we have the worst d core in the league by a mile. 1 move.

Dekeyser doesn't keep us from being bad. He helps us be bad, lol.

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Really not big on the idea of having nearly 10 million locked up between Tatar and Nyquist

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Tatar and Nyquist are generating interest on the trade board.

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Trade Mike Green and we have the worst d core in the league by a mile. 1 move.

Dekeyser doesn't keep us from being bad. He helps us be bad, lol.
He's had one bad season in like 4 years. Short-term memory, huh?

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07-10-2017, 08:06 AM
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Really not big on the idea of having nearly 10 million locked up between Tatar and Nyquist
Could end up being 14-15m in those 2 and abby.

Just think for that price you could have a Crosby or Malkin or you know someone good...lol

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07-10-2017, 08:28 AM
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He's had one bad season in like 4 years. Short-term memory, huh?
As long as he is over-slotted I think he is going to struggle. Given that Daley is adamant about playing the right side, I don't see how his usage is going to change anytime soon. I think Dekeyser is the type of 1 LD you see on tank teams, but you are free to disagree.


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07-10-2017, 09:13 AM
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Given Tatar's comments I would bet that unless he gets exactly what is asked he will go to arbitration, get his 1 year deal at said amount and leave us hanging to dry. I don't get how he is quick to give role players term/$ and wants to shorten a guy who actually scores a solid amount of goals on a team that doesn't score many goals at all.

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Offers **** long term contracts left and right to bottom 6 forwards and bottom pairing Dmen; won't pay up to keep the team's top goal scorer. Ken Holland ladies and gentlemen...

Tatar should have played the long con and knocked up some woman who grew up around Holland
Won't pay up? How do you know this? Do you know what the 1,4,5 year options are? How do you know Tatar isn't asking for way more than he is worth?

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Given Tatar's comments I would bet that unless he gets exactly what is asked he will go to arbitration, get his 1 year deal at said amount and leave us hanging to dry. I don't get how he is quick to give role players term/$ and wants to shorten a guy who actually scores a solid amount of goals on a team that doesn't score many goals at all.
Tatar wants $6M, he's barely worth $5M. Let it go to arbitration, get his deal, then trade him. He's a cancer to the team

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Tatar wants $6M, he's barely worth $5M. Let it go to arbitration, get his deal, then trade him. He's a cancer to the team
Is there a link that shows he's asking for $6M?

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Tatar wants $6M, he's barely worth $5M. Let it go to arbitration, get his deal, then trade him. He's a cancer to the team
Why is he a cancer?

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Tatar wants $6M, he's barely worth $5M. Let it go to arbitration, get his deal, then trade him. He's a cancer to the team
Tatar is *easily* worth 5M on the open market. He's a consistently good producer on a crap team, isn't a defensive liability, decent speed, good skills.

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Tatar wants $6M, he's barely worth $5M. Let it go to arbitration, get his deal, then trade him. He's a cancer to the team
Do you have a source for him wanting $6 million?

And now he's a cancer to the team? Why exactly? What are your sources for this?

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Tatar wants $6M, he's barely worth $5M. Let it go to arbitration, get his deal, then trade him. He's a cancer to the team
That's how negotiations work, though. You ask for more than what you're worth, so you get what you're worth. If you want 5 million, you don't ask for 5 million, you ask for 6 million.

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Tatar wants $6M, he's barely worth $5M. Let it go to arbitration, get his deal, then trade him. He's a cancer to the team
What makes you think that?

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Tatar wants $6M, he's barely worth $5M. Let it go to arbitration, get his deal, then trade him. He's a cancer to the team
lol, let's lock up marginal players to stupid salary and term, and boot the good players for wanting to be compensated like the marginal players.

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Do you have a source for him wanting $6 million?

And now he's a cancer to the team? Why exactly? What are your sources for this?
i don't know about the cancer stuff.

but when looking at market comparables, i think it's reasonable to assume that Tatar is asking for close to 6 million unless his agent is a moron

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lol, let's lock up marginal players to stupid salary and term, and boot the good players for wanting to be compensated like the marginal players.
If he wants to be compensated like a marginal player, I am sure Holland would be happy to sign him for 3.85-4.25 per year. Me thinks he is looking for a bit more than that.

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You really believe that Tats is a big time party boy who brought little to the team? I think his biggest problem is that he's neither Swedish nor born in Michigan.
I believe he is a young single dude. And enjoys himself.
I have zero problems with that. The guy performs and I personallY have always been a big fan of his game and want him to stay.

But I think it will weigh with our current management.... unfortunately

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Shocking that a guy in his mid 20s wants to have fun.
Again I see no problems with that... guy has performed and consistently scored goals for 4 years .

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Holland has ZERO ability to identify, evaluate and commit to young talent

he likely has the WORST such ability in the NHL

do not take anything holland or the organization says with any sort of merit, it has none, zero, ziltch
Really ? Who is the best young guy he ever let get away in 20 years ?
They actually seeem to evaluate what a player is or will be very well.
They usually trade away/let walk the right players or prospects.... they've just struggled in the draft recently.
Hurdler and jarnkrok are/ were decent pieces. But they aren't going to move the needle.

I mean I definitely want Tatar Resigned though.

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He is worth every penny of 5-6m. Look at what Radulov and Marleau just raked in on their contracts.

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Pay him 5 mil or trade him

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Tatar wants $6M, he's barely worth $5M. Let it go to arbitration, get his deal, then trade him. He's a cancer to the team
Yeaaaa it's Tatar and every player that doesn't fit into the country club that is the cancer to the team. Not the gm that's best by date passed years ago.

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