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07-08-2017, 10:28 AM
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You're very short-sighted and Montreal does have the assets to trade for a Tavares who has made it clear he won't play in New York with the Islanders anymore, if that's the situation.

It wouldn't take Pacioretty, Galchenyuk and 2 1st rounders to get Tavares under those circumstances.

I'd trade one of the two, depending on who gets the deal done and flip our first rounders for the next three years for two of the Isles' 2nd rounders in those years, the 2nd and the third years. In the next three years, we'd have at least 2 second rounders to make up for not having one late first rounder.

Depending on how we handle the re-sign of Tavares, it still becomes possible to flip Gallagher + for RNH, IMHO and we could have a C line of Tavares-RNH-Danault-Mitchell. Tavares enables you to play a veteran with a youngster on the wings and spread more talent for your second line.

Assuming Galchenyuk was the centrepiece of the trade and we'd also lost Gallagher for RNH:

Pacioretty - Tavares - Lehkonen
Drouin - RNH - Byron (Spped, speed, speed)
Hudon/Hemsky - Danault - Shaw
Martinsen - Mitchell - McCarron

Contracts like Pacioretty, Drouin, Lehkonen, Byron, Hudon/Hemsky, Danault, Mitchell, McCarron and Martinsen become essential with Price, Tavares, Weber, RNH, Petry and Alzner eating up around 45M of the Cap. 55M with Drouin and Pacioretty. That's 20M left over for Shaw (4M, roughly) 8 forwards, 5 Ds and a back-up G!

68M with all the forwards and the back-up G leaves 7M for 5 D. 1,1M for Benn, 2,1M for Schlemko leaves 3.8M for three more, 2,8M, maybe 3M if we go short on the injury reserve with 800K earmarked for that.

Obviously, Plekanec isn't re-signed after his season and Montreal, in the future, needs to be extremely creative with the supporting cast of players on D and for the third and fourth lines.

Players like Shaw become overpaid for their role and re-signing Pacioretty is practically impossible going forward. Montreal, to keep talent, will need to start jumping past bridge contracts and risk with young talent on long term, lower Cap hit contracts...

Doable, though.
5 years.

0 Top-6 centres.

MB is going to go out and get two of them? Not happening.

If Tavares ends up on the trade market your going to end up with a bidding war for him. We could offer Galchenyuk sure, what's stopping the Leafs from turning around and offering up one of Nylander or Marner, who are better, and younger? They'd then have the best 1-2 punch down the Center in the league outside of Pittsburgh.

There's a huge difference between being short-sighted and being a realist.

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07-08-2017, 10:52 AM
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Shea is working on convincing JT. He met with him in Halifax recently.

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07-08-2017, 10:55 AM
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Shea is working on convincing JT. He met with him in Halifax recently.
...don't toy with my emotions.

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If MB's plan works, we can draft a JT clone in next years draft, we will have a top 3 pick.

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07-08-2017, 10:56 AM
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No chance whatsoever. He'll resign in Long Island or go to Toronto or a better team.

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...don't toy with my emotions.
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If MB's plan works, we can draft a JT clone in next years draft, we will have a top 3 pick.
They don't typically have three JT clones available every year.

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07-08-2017, 11:06 AM
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Yes and Crosby and Marchand are along for moral support " Shea's right ! You should sign with Montreal!" shouted Sidney. "i agree!" exclaimed Brad.

Let us toast to the fiture of the habs" here here!

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07-08-2017, 11:14 AM
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Yes and Crosby and Marchand are along for moral support " Shea's right ! You should sign with Montreal!" shouted Sidney. "i agree!" exclaimed Brad.

Let us toast to the fiture of the habs" here here!
You tapped into the convo. See, it wasn't that difficult.

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Anyone who doesn't think the deal requires atleast Pacioretty and Either Galchenyuk or Gallagher + some other stuff is reeaaalllllyyyy fooling themselves.

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I think it begins with Pacioretty, he's a native NYorker, it's a good selling point. And he's going to require a boatload of money 2 years from now, when his current very team friendly contract expires.

I could see a sign and trade, with Pacioretty and several other key pieces as the negotiation requires.

Get it done, MB.

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Anyone who doesn't think the deal requires atleast Pacioretty and Either Galchenyuk or Gallagher + some other stuff is reeaaalllllyyyy fooling themselves.
You are aware he is UFA right ? You would be really stupid to do that.

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07-08-2017, 11:45 AM
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PK leaving sure doesn't help to sell the case. But man that would be sweet a team where the #1 goalie, the #1D, the #1C and the coach are all cornerstones of Team Canada's olympic team

That being said, just like a lot of things in life, we should lower our expectations just to avoid to be disappointed lol

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You are aware he is UFA right ? You would be really stupid to do that.
He is a UFA next year, he has full value still right now, this isn't the trade deadline for christ sakes. You make significant offer for him with the intent to re-sign him long term almost immediately.

Are you serious? You mean to tell me if we would have traded Carey Price at the draft we would have had to accept second rate returns because he would be a "UFA next year". Think about what you are saying for a minute.

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07-08-2017, 11:48 AM
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I'd only put assets for JT if a sign and trade deal can be made.

Otherwise, just wait til he becomes a UFA and bid like everyone else.

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Anyone who doesn't think the deal requires atleast Pacioretty and Either Galchenyuk or Gallagher + some other stuff is reeaaalllllyyyy fooling themselves.
They can take Pacioretty and Gallagher. If a trade is made and it exlcudes Galchenyuk & Lehkonen, I'll be pleased.

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I mean there's a chance. Montreal might have cap space.

The fact nobody is confident that Montreal is a frontrunner for him should tell you how likely it is.

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I'd only put assets for JT if a sign and trade deal can be made.

Otherwise, just wait til he becomes a UFA and bid like everyone else.
I wouldn't think MB would trade major assets (roster players + prospects + draft picks) if he was only a rental.

One thing that could help if it ever came to a Habs/JT deal, Pat Brisson is his agent.

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Price would need to remain top paid player, so Tavares would have to accept 10.4 or 10.5. I can't see a team being able to compete with 30M given to 3 players.

If we want to worry about the cap later and just do it, only way this would happen is if Tavares would refuse to sign in NYI and indicate to them that the only team he would sign an extension with is MTL.
It happens with NYR regularly, but not us.. only chance would be a repeat of Alzner, the player is friends with some guys on the team and he wants to play with them.

Lot of ifs, not exactly holding my breath.

Our best chance to land that center is keeping the cap room to be able to help a team in cap trouble unload a big contract.. like RNH or Bozak, trouble is we're quite thin on prospects and that's what teams looking to unload salary would be looking for.
We'll see what happens but really hoping we don't sign Markov, whom I've always loved, but that cap space needs to be used on offense.. it just does.

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He is a UFA next year, he has full value still right now, this isn't the trade deadline for christ sakes. You make significant offer for him with the intent to re-sign him long term almost immediately.

Are you serious? You mean to tell me if we would have traded Carey Price at the draft we would have had to accept second rate returns because he would be a "UFA next year". Think about what you are saying for a minute.
LMFAO, the Habs are not trading Chucky Patches + for one year of Tavares.

Even if he is signed, man you guys under value Habs players. I know JT is a number one center but holy hell. Aint happening.

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Montreal probably has the worst center talent in the league. Not a stretch to think that they'll be in the thick of it for anyone who hits the market, UFA or not.

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Montreal probably has the worst center talent in the league. Not a stretch to think that they'll be in the thick of it for anyone who hits the market, UFA or not.
I totally agree with this, but there is NO way the Habs trade Patches and Chucky for JT.

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I wouldn't think MB would trade major assets (roster players + prospects + draft picks) if he was only a rental.

One thing that could help if it ever came to a Habs/JT deal, Pat Brisson is his agent.
Totally agree. We don't exactly have that kind of ability. Say JT would be open to sign 7 years, then you send over the major assets as required.

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