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07-08-2017, 02:37 PM
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Winnipeg Jets Prospects Thread 2017/18

Old thread was at limit.

Tables are done for now. Will update with Moose players to Moose when we know who will be where.

PosNameDOBHtWtTeamLgGPGAPPIMDraft2017 Team/League
CMason Appleton96/1/156'2193Michigan StateBig1035121931372015 #168Manitoba Moose/AHL
DJacob Cederholm98/1/306'3181IK PanternAllsvenskan34156162016 #97 
DCroix Evingson97/08/286'5214ShreveportNAHL591240521252017 #211UMass-Lowell/H-East
LWErik Foley97/6/306'0185ProvidenceH-East36151934262015 #78 
LWC.J. Franklin94/3/175'11190MankatoWCHA39121931382014 #129 
DLeon Gawanke99/5/316'1181Cape BretonQMJHL5482432262017 #136 
DJack Glover96/5/176'3185MinnesotaBig101002262014 #69 
DLuke Green98/1/126'0189SherbrookeQMJHL6053237562016 #79 
CJansen Harkins97/5/236'1187Prince GeorgeWHL64215172482015 #47Manitoba Moose/AHL
DJohnny Kovacevic97/7/26'3220MerrimackH-East3631619302017 #74 
CPavel Kraskovsky96/9/116'4196LokomotivKHL5881018182015 #164 
LWSkyler McKenzie98/1/205'8161PortlandWHL72424284602017 #198 
DSami Niku96/10/106'0168JYPLiiga5952227262015 #198Manitoba Moose/AHL
DTucker Poolman93/6/86'3210North DakotaNCHC3872330142013 #127Manitoba Moose/AHL
DDylan Samberg99/1/246'3190HermantownUSHS25101828432017 #43Minnesota-Duluth/NCHC
CMichael Spacek97/4/95'11185Red DeerWHL59305585342015 #108Manitoba Moose/AHL
CJordan Stallard97/9/186'2188Prince AlbertWHL40142337192016 #127 
DLogan Stanley98/5/266'7220WindsorOHL3541317622016 #18 
LWMatt Ustaski94/5/276'6220WisconsinBig101521362014 #192 
LWKristian Vesalainen99/6/16'3209HPKLiiga910102017 #24 
CSanteri Virtanen99/5/116'2194TPS U20Jr. A SM-Liiga524602017 #105 

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PosNameDOBHtWtGPGAPPIMDraftNHL
LWKyle Connor96/12/96'117752251944142015 #1720-2-3-5-4
CChase De Leo95/10/255'1018569141832122014 #99 
DJan Kostalek95/2/176'119660257202013 #114 
LWBrendan Lemieux96/3/156'121061127191302014 #31 (BUF) 
RWJC Lipon93/7/106'0190711218301292013 #91 
RWJimmy Lodge95/3/56'11756381018342013 #84 
DNelson Nogier96/5/276'32096021113352014 #10110-0-0-0-5
CJack Roslovic97/1/296'118265133548222015 #251-0-0-0-0

Goalies

PosNameDOBHtWtTeamLgGPsv%GAARecDraftOther Team
GMikhail Berdin98/3/16'2163Sioux FallsUSHL310.9252.7314-12-12016 #157 
GEric Comrie95/7/66'1180ManitobaAHL510.9062.9619-26-62013 #59 
GArvid Holm98/11/36'4214Karlskrona HK J20SuperElit260.9062.91 2017 #167 
GJamie Phillips93/3/246'3175TulsaECHL310.9132.6319-10-02012 #1902-4-2 .906

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Wasn't answered on the last thread, but how is Luke Green looking?

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Nice work on the tables, Romang!

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Wasn't answered on the last thread, but how is Luke Green looking?
From what Ive seen: He's a fantastic skater who's edge work is darn good. He moves the puck very well and plays with his head up. Puck retrieval is good because he can rely on his effortless skating and I think he's got nice hands and a decent shot. He needs to work on his game in his own zone, physicality along the wall and needs to be stronger on his stick in front of his own net. He's got to take a big step forward next year IMO, as right now he's got a way to go before being considered for the NHL but he still has time and will likely try to get more polished in the AHL for a few years. We will see how his game translates to the pros. No rush with him though, so he can take 3-4 years to develop.

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Nice work on the tables, Romang!
Tables suck! Romang, you ever use Excel before

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It'll be a lot nicer to update those table when the season starts and everyone's stats will be at 0.

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I was hoping for invites for Green's former teammate Thomas Gregoire and Adam Thilander.

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From what Ive seen: He's a fantastic skater who's edge work is darn good. He moves the puck very well and plays with his head up. Puck retrieval is good because he can rely on his effortless skating and I think he's got nice hands and a decent shot. He needs to work on his game in his own zone, physicality along the wall and needs to be stronger on his stick in front of his own net. He's got to take a big step forward next year IMO, as right now he's got a way to go before being considered for the NHL but he still has time and will likely try to get more polished in the AHL for a few years. We will see how his game translates to the pros. No rush with him though, so he can take 3-4 years to develop.
I'd agree with the above assessment. I think his skating is so strong that with some improvement in his gap and his dzone coverage he can absolutely be an NHL caliber defenseman.

I think the real question with Green is whether his offensive game will develop. As was mentioned, he has a decent shot and his skating allows him to rush the puck well but he really didn't put up the numbers in his D+1 season that I think a lot of us expected and hoped for.

Whether or not that offensive side of his game comes out a bit more (like it did in his draft season) could be the difference in capping his potential as a top 2 or 3 defenseman or as a a 4/5 defenseman. Worst case scenario is probably a career top 4 AHL guy as his skating alone should keep him there.

I'm really excited to see how he progresses with the Moose this year.

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I'd agree with the above assessment. I think his skating is so strong that with some improvement in his gap and his dzone coverage he can absolutely be an NHL caliber defenseman.

I think the real question with Green is whether his offensive game will develop. As was mentioned, he has a decent shot and his skating allows him to rush the puck well but he really didn't put up the numbers in his D+1 season that I think a lot of us expected and hoped for.

Whether or not that offensive side of his game comes out a bit more (like it did in his draft season) could be the difference in capping his potential as a top 2 or 3 defenseman or as a a 4/5 defenseman. Worst case scenario is probably a career top 4 AHL guy as his skating alone should keep him there.

I'm really excited to see how he progresses with the Moose this year.
Green has another year of junior to complete first.

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I'd agree with the above assessment. I think his skating is so strong that with some improvement in his gap and his dzone coverage he can absolutely be an NHL caliber defenseman.

I think the real question with Green is whether his offensive game will develop. As was mentioned, he has a decent shot and his skating allows him to rush the puck well but he really didn't put up the numbers in his D+1 season that I think a lot of us expected and hoped for.

Whether or not that offensive side of his game comes out a bit more (like it did in his draft season) could be the difference in capping his potential as a top 2 or 3 defenseman or as a a 4/5 defenseman. Worst case scenario is probably a career top 4 AHL guy as his skating alone should keep him there.

I'm really excited to see how he progresses with the Moose this year.
Your last sentence about progression with Moose this year. Is a bit off as his age and the C.H.L agreement limits him to playing another season in the Q.

Otherwise a wait and see kinda of prospect.

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Green has another year of junior to complete first.
Ahh you are correct. Jumping to the Moose at the same time as Harkins near the end of the year had me thinking he was a late 97 birthday.

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Ahh you are correct. Jumping to the Moose at the same time as Harkins near the end of the year had me thinking he was a late 97 birthday.
Nah, that was the result of both of their junior seasons being done at the same time, so they could both join up with the Moose at the end of last season.

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I'd agree with the above assessment. I think his skating is so strong that with some improvement in his gap and his dzone coverage he can absolutely be an NHL caliber defenseman.

I think the real question with Green is whether his offensive game will develop. As was mentioned, he has a decent shot and his skating allows him to rush the puck well but he really didn't put up the numbers in his D+1 season that I think a lot of us expected and hoped for.

Whether or not that offensive side of his game comes out a bit more (like it did in his draft season) could be the difference in capping his potential as a top 2 or 3 defenseman or as a a 4/5 defenseman. Worst case scenario is probably a career top 4 AHL guy as his skating alone should keep him there.

I'm really excited to see how he progresses with the Moose this year.
Fun facts:

D+1 Season, Even-strength points/game...

Green 0.300
Nogier 0.243

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Fun facts:

D+1 Season, Even-strength points/game...

Green 0.300
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Ya but his "PCS" (lack of no better name for my version of the model... maybe we can make one here):
D+0: 16%
D+1: 10%

His second season was definitely more disappointing, scoring wise. His EV P/GP dropped.

Compare Stanley:
D+0: 6%
D+1: 8%

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Ya but his "PCS" (lack of no better name for my version of the model... maybe we can make one here):
D+0: 16%
D+1: 10%

His second season was definitely more disappointing, scoring wise. His EV P/GP dropped.

Compare Stanley:
D+0: 6%
D+1: 8%
My point was that I think that we need to be circumspect about Green until we see more evidence about his trajectory. He's a marvelous skater, but Nogier also has very good wheels.

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My point was that I think that we need to be circumspect about Green until we see more evidence about his trajectory. He's a marvelous skater, but Nogier also has very good wheels.
Whileee your taking this Green thing a bit too far. He had more points in each of his first three seasons than Nogier had in his first three years combined.

D-1 to d+1
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108 points in 181 games for a .6 ppg

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29 points in 166 games for a .17 ppg

There is really no comparison in terms of productivity.

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Fun facts:

D+1 Season, Even-strength points/game...

Green 0.300
Nogier 0.243
Are you trying to say that the Jets are on track to have the 18th and 36th overall picks turn into nothing?

Should've just stood pat (like most of us wanted) and drafted Rubtsov and Girard. We'd still have one of the best prospect pools if we had done that

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Whileee your taking this Green thing a bit too far. He had more points in each of his first three seasons than Nogier had in his first three years combined.

D-1 to d+1
Green:
108 points in 181 games for a .6 ppg

Nogier:
29 points in 166 games for a .17 ppg

There is really no comparison in terms of productivity.
My point was about Green's mediocre d+1 season, using Nogier as the standard of mediocrity. Green hasn't really shown any growth in productivity over the past 3 seasons. I am hoping for a big season in his D+2 year.

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My point was about Green's mediocre d+1 season, using Nogier as the standard of mediocrity. Green hasn't really shown any growth in productivity over the past 3 seasons. I am hoping for a big season in his D+2 year.
IIRC, Green's stagnant productivity was partly a function of his usage in the Sea Dogs org, and one of the reasons he forced a trade. I agree that he's due for a bounce-back year. I really don't think he's Nogier, the Sequel -- more like Josh Morrissey, the straight-to-cable version.

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My point was that I think that we need to be circumspect about Green until we see more evidence about his trajectory. He's a marvelous skater, but Nogier also has very good wheels.
There really is no comparison with him and Nogier. Like none to be honest. Nogier was by far and away a much worse player.

Green's productivity improved when he left the Sea Dogs. He was being buried there on a very deep team in Saint John that just couldn't give him the playing time he needed to improve. As soon as he left his production improved from 0.55 PPG to 0.67 PPG. I'm willing to bet that we see a marked improvement from Green next season now that he will be getting PP1 time in Sherbrooke for a full season, as well as top pairing minutes.

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Ya but his "PCS" (lack of no better name for my version of the model... maybe we can make one here):
D+0: 16%
D+1: 10%

His second season was definitely more disappointing, scoring wise. His EV P/GP dropped.

Compare Stanley:
D+0: 6%
D+1: 8%
Garret's Projected Success Percentage (GPSP).

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Garret's Projected Success Percentage (GPSP).
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I think that would be best when projecting young players.

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My point was about Green's mediocre d+1 season, using Nogier as the standard of mediocrity. Green hasn't really shown any growth in productivity over the past 3 seasons. I am hoping for a big season in his D+2 year.
Maybe Green peaked at 14?

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Ya but his "PCS" (lack of no better name for my version of the model... maybe we can make one here):
D+0: 16%
D+1: 10%

His second season was definitely more disappointing, scoring wise. His EV P/GP dropped.

Compare Stanley:
D+0: 6%
D+1: 8%
Should be the 'Luck and Intangibles Certain-tizer'.

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Nice work on the tables, Romang!
Very nice work, indeed! A small request, though, if possible - could another column be added that shows their latest JetsHFBoards prospect ranking?

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