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2017 Ranking #3

View Poll Results: Avalanche #3 prospect is:
JC Beaudin (C) Rouyn-Noranda [#71 overall, 2015] 1 0.93%
Chris Bigras (D) San Antonio [#32 overall, 2013] 11 10.28%
JT Compher (C) San Antonio [#35 overall, 2013] 65 60.75%
AJ Greer (LW) San Antonio [#39 overall, 2015] 5 4.67%
Nicolas Meloche (D) Charlottetown [#40 overall, 2015] 15 14.02%
Conor Timmins (D) Sault Ste. Marie [#32 overall, 2017] 10 9.35%
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07-09-2017, 11:31 AM
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Is Greer, Deadmarsh lite?

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07-09-2017, 12:39 PM
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At this point in time, there's no player in that group who appears to have a significantly higher ceiling than the others (unlike "Makar vs Jost" in rd 1 and "Jost vs the rest" in rd 2).

That's when NHL readiness kicks in.

I'm voting Compher.
Strong top 4, possible top 2 dman is significantly higher than strong middle 6, possible top 6 forward.

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Compher, add Mironov he should be in competition for #4, 5, or 6 easily.

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07-09-2017, 12:54 PM
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Strong top 4, possible top 2 dman is significantly higher than strong middle 6, possible top 6 forward.

2nd pairing ceiling (Meloche) is pretty close to middle 6er (Compher) in my book. IMO all these guys have a similar ceiling at the moment, we just don't know how they'll pan out.

I don't believe that any of these dmen is likely to become a top 2 guy.

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Compher, add Mironov he should be in competition for #4, 5, or 6 easily.
I don't see it.

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2nd pairing ceiling (Meloche) is pretty close to middle 6er (Compher) in my book. IMO all these guys have a similar ceiling at the moment, we just don't know how they'll pan out.

I don't believe that any of these dmen is likely to become a top 2 guy.
I won't say it is likely for Meloche, but he has all the tools to be a really good #2 if everything goes right.

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I don't see it.
Even if Meloche goes next, it should be between Mironov, Greer and Bigras for 5/6 IMO. Are we just going to ignore the experience he has, and how likely he is to contribute in the NHL? Or are we ignoring him because hes likely to be in the NHL next season?

I mean the guy was an all-star is a pro league. So was Greer, and I understand Meloche's upside. Clearly people are somewhat down on Bigras as well.

If Compher is getting attention for being polished and NHL ready so should Mironov.

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Even if Meloche goes next, it should be between Mironov, Greer and Bigras for 5/6 IMO. Are we just going to ignore the experience he has, and how likely he is to contribute in the NHL? Or are we ignoring him because hes likely to be in the NHL next season?

I mean the guy was an all-star is a pro league. So was Greer, and I understand Meloche's upside. Clearly people are somewhat down on Bigras as well.

If Compher is getting attention for being polished and NHL ready so should Mironov.
Fans are skeptical because of the perceived lack of any offensive upside.

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Fans are skeptical because of the perceived lack of any offensive upside.
Bingo. He's a solid bottom pairing guy pretty much from the get go probably but I don't see much room for growth. In the conversation for 6th, sure I guess.

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Fans are skeptical because of the perceived lack of any offensive upside.
I know that, but we are not talking about Guenin or Siemens here. He can actually make an accurate pass. You do still neeed D that can clear the front of the net and make an accurate defensive read.

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Even if Mironov is NHL ready we still don't know what he looks like in the NHL and his upside isn't all that high. He's in the top 10 at this point but not in that second tier. There's not much that seperates him from Lindholm. He gets the benefit of the doubt and still the possibility of exploding and suddenly being that top 4 missing piece until he hits the NHL but with the pro pedigree to not be just magic beans. But there's still a lot we don't know about how it's going to work in the NHL.

To me the second tier runs through Greer, Timmins and Beaudin. Then Mironov and Lindholm are in that pro D group and Morrison, Henry and Shvyrev is that second group of forward prospects. I could see the argument either way of putting the D ahead of the second group of forwards or not.


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Bingo. He's a solid bottom pairing guy pretty much from the get go probably but I don't see much room for growth. In the conversation for 6th, sure I guess.
If his impact defensively and physically gets to a high enough level, he could be a #4 next to someone like Barrie who can't be trusted to defend the pizza on the counter from the cat.

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07-09-2017, 01:37 PM
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I won't say it is likely for Meloche, but he has all the tools to be a really good #2 if everything goes right.
Well if Makar pans out Meloche will have to settle for #3 since they are both RHD

On a side note, if Timmins is any good we could end up like Winnipeg with Buff/Myers/Trouba battling for ice time on the right side while having scraps on the left side. We're not there yet but that's kinda sucks.

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Well if Makar pans out Meloche will have to settle for #3 since they are both RHD

On a side note, if Timmins is any good we could end up like Winnipeg with Buff/Myers/Trouba battling for ice time on the right side while having scraps on the left side. We're not there yet but that's kinda sucks.
By that logic Josi/Ellis are only #3s.


Makar could play his offside as well.

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By that logic Josi/Ellis are only #3s.
On the Preds Josi is a #1 and Ellis a #2. Then they have another #1 and #2 with Subban and Ekholm. They are a bit exceptional though.

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Is there any #1 dman in the NHL playing on his offside? Serious question.

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On the Preds Josi is a #1 and Ellis a #3.



Is there any #1 dman in the NHL playing on his offside? Serious question.
But Josi is on the 2nd pairing. Disagree on Ellis.

Pronger played the right side a lot in his career, so did Bourque. Today it isn't as common, but Trouba has played left a lot.

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Meloche has both a higher ceiling and a higher likelihood to reach it. Mironov's pro experience is a big plus, but unless he proves he has offensive upside I don't see how we can rank him higher than a strong bottom pairing D at this time.

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But Josi is on the 2nd pairing. Disagree on Ellis.

Pronger played the right side a lot in his career, so did Bourque. Today it isn't as common, but Trouba has played left a lot.
Trouba's main complain when he wanted to get traded was because he was asked to play on the left side. I don't think it would be wise to ask a top dman to play on his offside in the NHL. You want to give your top D all the tools to provide maximum performance.

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Trouba's main complain when he wanted to get traded was because he was asked to play on the left side. I don't think it would be wise to ask a top dman to play on his offside in the NHL. You want to give your top D all the tools to provide maximum performance.
Not all D are the same... a lot prefer their offside too. Similar to how left and right wings shouldn't be held to their side... I don't believe D should be held to that either. When Phanuef was at the very top of his game (and was a #1 at that time) he was a right D. He kinda fell apart when forced to the left. TJ Brodie plays a much better game on the right side. I think it is too simplistic to say all right shots need to stay on the right.

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Bigras for me here, he's simply too smart and such an elite skater that as long as he's fully recovered moving forward he's a lock to become a top 4 D

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Compher for me. I was really impressed with his play at the NHL level and look forward to seeing if he can keep that up. I thought his ceiling was a really good 3C but it's looking like he has the potential to be a really good 2C if he keeps progressing and playing with that **** and vinegar.

Next one will be tough between Bigras and Meloche. I still like Bigras and feel like he will turn things around and make the club this year if we do not trade Duchene. He probably gets another AHL year if we do and bring back a defenseman.

Add Shvyryov.

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Wow, THAT many people have Compher ranked over Bigras?

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It's more surprising to me that Greer would be our 7th best prospect according to this.

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It's more surprising to me that Greer would be our 7th best prospect according to this.
Sounds about right to me.

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