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Edmonton Oilers Prospect Rankings: #2

View Poll Results: Who is Edmonton Oilers top prospect?
LD Caleb Jones, Portland Winterhawks (WHL) 26 13.76%
RD Ethan Bear, Seattle Thunderbirds (WHL) 31 16.40%
C/LW Kailer Yamamoto, Spokane Chiefs (WHL) 109 57.67%
LW Tyler Benson, Vancouver Giants (WHL) 15 7.94%
LD Dmitri Samorukov, Guelph Storm (OHL) 0 0%
LD Markus Niemelainen, Saginaw Spirit (OHL) 1 0.53%
G Stuart Skinner, Lethbridge Hurricanes (WHL) 0 0%
G Dylan Wells, Peterborough Petes (OHL) 0 0%
G Nick Ellis, Bakersfield Condors (AHL) 0 0%
LD Ziyat Paigin, Bakersfield Condors (AHL) 4 2.12%
LD Matthew Cairns, Powell River Kings (BCHL) 0 0%
RD Filip Berglund, Skellefta AIK (SHL) 0 0%
RW Ostap Safin, HC Sparta Praha (Extraliga) 0 0%
RW Kirill Maksimov, Niagara IceDogs (OHL) 1 0.53%
RD Ryan Mantha, Bakersfield Condors (AHL) 1 0.53%
C Joe Gambardella, Bakersfield Condors (AHL) 1 0.53%
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07-12-2017, 09:08 AM
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Edmonton Oilers Prospect Rankings: #2

The offseason is dark and full of terror. Thought we could update our rankings of the Oilers best prospects, now with the draft being over and all. Hope I didn't forget anyone (important). Not counting Puljuj√ƒ¬§rvi as he played a good number of games in the NHL already and would be an obvious choice for #1.

EDIT: Changed title to #2, as Puljujärvi is a lock for #1 and everyone seems to agree that he should still be counted as a prospect.


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Tough choice between Jones and Yamamoto for me, but I have to go with Jones as he's already so developed and looks to be an impact player.

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Puljujarvi isn't a prospect anymore??

he should be #1

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Puljujarvi isn't a prospect anymore??

he should be #1
This

Also not a sexy name, but wasn't Simpson doing quite well in Bakersfield last year? Probably should be on the list sooner than some other guys.

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Without Pulju I went with Benson, still think he could be a top 6 NHLer, this will be a huge year for him though. If he stays healthy hopefully he can get back on track, if not I think his development will be to far gone. Most agreed he was a top 15 pick in a deeper a draft last year then this year without injuries

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Why is Puljujarvi not a prospect?

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HF has always used 65 games as the cutoff for "what is a prospect". You may want to exclude Puljujarvi because he'll obviously win, but he should still appear at #1 on the list.

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Puljujarvi isn't a prospect anymore??

he should be #1
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Why is Puljujarvi not a prospect?
I mean, we all know he is #1. Do you guys really think it would've been worth to include him here? I guess I could change the title to #2 ...

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Tough choice between Jones and Yamamoto for me, but I have to go with Jones as he's already so developed and looks to be an impact player.
I had exactly the same choice and exactly the same logic.

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I mean, we all know he is #1. Do you guys really think it would've been worth to include him here? I guess I could change the title to #2 ...
There are many who are expecting Yamamoto to get a 9 game look this year. Him being a shiny new toy and dominating the camp in Jasper could provide Puljujarvi some competition especially considering the snub Pulju got at the Worlds.

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There are many who are expecting Yamamoto to get a 9 game look this year. Him being a shiny new toy and dominating the camp in Jasper could provide Puljujarvi some competition especially considering the snub Pulju got at the Worlds.
Really? People do realize it's quite rare for anyone outside the top 5 to get this, let alone a guy taking late in the first round that is so damn tiny.

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Really? People do realize it's quite rare for anyone outside the top 5 to get this, let alone a guy taking late in the first round that is so damn tiny.
I think years of drafting top 5 has warped some people's sensibilities as to what's normal.

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As always, I question whether we are ranking "readiness for the NHL" or "overall prospect quality".

If it's the latter, then Yamamoto.

If it's readiness for the NHL, it's likely Bear, Jones or Gambardella.

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As always, I question whether we are ranking "readiness for the NHL" or "overall prospect quality".

If it's the latter, then Yamamoto.

If it's readiness for the NHL, it's likely Bear, Jones or Gambardella.
It's a combo for me. If a guy has very little chance at making the NHL I rather take a guy with less talent, but will actual contribute to the NHL club.

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I think years of drafting top 5 has warped some people's sensibilities as to what's normal.
See this, and some fans get leaf fan syndrome, where they believe we got the best prospect of the draft regardless of position draft. I would be really surprised to see any outside of Patrick or Hischier get past the preseason. And I'm a supporter of Yamamoto despite his size, but camp will be a big challenge for him

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Picked Jones. Should be a good middle pairing defender down the line.

Not sold on Yamamoto translating his game to the NHL at his size. I hope I'm wrong. Tyler Johnson who is often used as a comparable has 30 pounds on Yamamoto, and I don't see Yamamoto getting to that weight. Maybe 165-170, but sometimes guys who need to put on weight to survive at the NHL level lose a step or some agility too. Although maybe he only gets to 160 poinds and that's fine and he's a regular 60-70 point guy. We'll see, again I hope I'm wrong. He seems like a great kid.

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I think just to feel better about our prospect pool, we should keep Pulju in it. I don't think anyone would argue with giving him #1 and making this poll about #2.

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Best prospect goes to Yamamoto but for readiness I would say Jones is #1

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I mean, we all know he is #1. Do you guys really think it would've been worth to include him here? I guess I could change the title to #2 ...
good idea

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Wow without Pulju we are pretty thin in our prospects.

I clicked Benson by accident, it should of been Yamo

Yamo has the highest potential out of this group, but there is a concern, hes the biggest boom/bust of this group.

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Ethan Bear is gonna be a monster. Easily the best, and most under-rated prospect (probably on the entire HF boards) we have. But I guess we wont know for sure until 2-3 years, so debating on this is kind of useless. But the magnitude that Bear gets overlooked when he outscores ****ing Barzal in the WHL playoffs, and Barzal here is usually considered a top 10 prospect in the league. Such a joke. Meh, whatever. We'll see what happens. But I was right about Klefbom about 3-4 years ago when almost no one was saying jack. So we'll see if I'm right again.

1. Bear -- top pairing potential, with ability to put up 40-50 points a season if he can QB a PP just half as good in the NHL as he does in the WHL. Also not weak defensively or physically. No weaknesses in his game. Gonna be a monster; you wait.
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2. Yamamoto -- too early to say for sure what he'll be, but I think he could be either a 1st or 2nd line RWer. Probably similar to Eberle production, but has much more heart than Eberle. Though Eberle showed decent heart about until he got that big contract (though probably not as much as Yamamoto shows, but it's kinda hard to remember clearly back to Eberle's first 2 seasons for me; it's a blur for many reasons).
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3. Jones -- probably will be a very solid 2nd pairing Dman, scoring 20-25 points a season. Has no outstanding qualities, like Bear has, but solid over all.

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Ethan Bear is gonna be a monster. Easily the best, and most under-rated prospect (probably on the entire HF boards) we have. But I guess we wont know for sure until 2-3 years, so debating on this is kind of useless. But the magnitude that Bear gets overlooked when he outscores ****ing Barzal in the WHL playoffs, and Barzal here is usually considered a top 10 prospect in the league. Such a joke. Meh, whatever. We'll see what happens. But I was right about Klefbom, when no one else was saying jack 3 years ago when almost no one was saying jack. So we'll see if I'm right again.

1. Bear -- top pairing potential, with ability to put up 40-50 points a season if he can QB a PP just half as good in the NHL as he does in the WHL. Also not weak defensively or physically. Gonna be a monster; you wait.
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2. Yamamoto -- too early to say for sure what he'll be, but I think he could be either a 1st or 2nd line RWer. Probably similar to Eberle production, but has much more heart than Eberle. Though Eberle showed decent heart about until he got that big contract...
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3. Jones -- probably will be a very solid 2nd pairing Dman, scoring 20-25 points a season. Has no outstanding qualities, like Bear has, but solid over all.
Bear is a great CHL prospect but I don't know if he has the footspeed or hockey IQ to make up for his lack of size at the NHL level as a dman. Great shot though.

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1. Yamamoto
2. Jones
3. Bear
4. Benson
5. Paigin
6. Wells
7. Mantha

This is based off limited viewings, dont chew my head off

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Bear is a great CHL prospect but I don't know if he has the footspeed or hockey IQ to make up for his lack of size at the NHL level as a dman. Great shot though.
Shattenkirk isn't big, nor is he incredibly quick. I think he can be about the same defenseman as him. Bear's footspeed is fine, and it's one of the easiest things of all different aspects that can be improved upon, so I can't see that holding him back. I think his IQ is quite good, actually. But I guess we can beg to differ on that.

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