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Winnipeg Jets Top 20 Prospects 2017 - #10

View Poll Results: Winnipeg Jets #10 prospect
Mason Appleton 1 0.86%
Jacob Cederholm 0 0%
Chase De Leo 2 1.72%
Erik Foley 23 19.83%
Luke Green 10 8.62%
Johnathan Kovacevic 19 16.38%
Brendan Lemieux 12 10.34%
Nelson Nogier 3 2.59%
Logan Stanley 44 37.93%
Santeri Virtanen 2 1.72%
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07-14-2017, 06:50 PM
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Virtanen is a nifty prospect, and I could see him shooting up my rankings at this time next year. Just not sure what to make of his skating and how his skills will translate at the pro level.

I'm ranking Comrie based on his junior pedigree and little else. He hasn't been a disaster as a pro, but isn't even close to playing in the show. Hoping he steps it up big next season.

It seems like people are forgetting that De Leo is only 21 and has been scoring at a 0.5 PPG clip in the AHL. Ranking him in the teens (he's probably going to wind up at #15 or so) seems like an overly generous appraisal of our prospect pool, and heavy weighting of ceiling over likelihood.
I don't see much in De Leo, never have. He is small, not exceptionally quick, not exceptionally skilled. I just don't see where he ever finds a role in the NHL. He has a chance to be a Stephen Gionta type player, but I don't really consider that as useful.

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Virtanen is a nifty prospect, and I could see him shooting up my rankings at this time next year. Just not sure what to make of his skating and how his skills will translate at the pro level.

I'm ranking Comrie based on his junior pedigree and little else. He hasn't been a disaster as a pro, but isn't even close to playing in the show. Hoping he steps it up big next season.

It seems like people are forgetting that De Leo is only 21 and has been scoring at a 0.5 PPG clip in the AHL. Ranking him in the teens (he's probably going to wind up at #15 or so) seems like an overly generous appraisal of our prospect pool, and heavy weighting of ceiling over likelihood.
DeLeo and likelihood. I think he likely could play. I don't think it is likely that he will play here, thus he ranks low on my list for likelihood. I just think there are too many people ahead of him on the Jets depth chart.

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DeLeo and likelihood. I think he likely could play. I don't think it is likely that he will play here, thus he ranks low on my list for likelihood. I just think there are too many people ahead of him on the Jets depth chart.
Fair point. I can understand why he's not getting any love at this point, though I'm a bit confused how Harkins is getting voted at #8 over him. I'll be (pleasantly) shocked if Harkins is over 0.5 PPG next season with the Moose. Same with Spacek, although I think he projects much more favourably as an NHL defensive F compared to De Leo and Harkins.

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Fair point. I can understand why he's not getting any love at this point, though I'm a bit confused how Harkins is getting voted at #8 over him. I'll be (pleasantly) shocked if Harkins is over 0.5 PPG next season with the Moose. Same with Spacek, although I think he projects much more favourably as an NHL defensive F compared to De Leo and Harkins.
It's the junior points effect. De Leo looked much better than Petan last TC at least in a bottom 6 role.

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It's the junior points effect. De Leo looked much better than Petan last TC at least in a bottom 6 role.
It very much isn't that for me.

It is a believe that the Jets will largely play big and potentially ****** players in depth roles rather than someone like DeLeo.

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2 Jack Roslovic C/RW Moose+4
3 Kristian Vesalainen LW/RW FinlandNEW
4 Sami Niku D Finland +12
5 Tucker Poolman D NCAA+9
6 Eric Comrie G Moose+3
7 Michael Spacek C/RW Red Deer+8
8 Brendan Lemieux RW Windsor +5
9 Jansen Harkins C Prince George+4
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RkPlayerPOS Curr.Team+/-
1 Kyle Connor LW/C JETS +1
2 Jack Roslovic C/RW Moose+4
3 Kristian Vesalainen LW/RW FinlandNEW
4 Sami Niku D Finland +12
5 Tucker Poolman D NCAA+9
6 Eric Comrie G Moose+3
7 Michael Spacek C/RW Red Deer+8
8 Brendan Lemieux RW Windsor +5
9 Jansen Harkins C Prince George+4
10 Logan Stanley D Windsor+0
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Thanks for this. I wonder who will be the first one to drop in rankings.

Edit: well I guess Lemieux will be haha since he hasn't even been picked yet.


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Thanks for this.


RkPlayerPOS Curr.Team+/-
1 Kyle Connor LW/C JETS +1
2 Jack Roslovic C/RW Moose+4
3 Kristian Vesalainen LW/RW FinlandNEW
4 Sami Niku D Finland +12
5 Tucker Poolman D NCAA+9
6 Eric Comrie G Moose+3
7 Michael Spacek C/RW Red Deer+8
8 Jansen Harkins C Prince George+5
9 Dylan SambergD USHSNEW
10 Logan Stanley D Windsor+0
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oops should look like this. I accidentally forgot to erase Lemieux from the 2016 results.

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It's the junior points effect. De Leo looked much better than Petan last TC at least in a bottom 6 role.
The "look" of TC is vastly overrated, IMO. I am more concerned with how players play when games mean things. Training camp should be reserved for maybe 1 or 2 battles for spots at very most, even then past season skill level should be considered.

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The "look" of TC is vastly overrated, IMO. I am more concerned with how players play when games mean things. Training camp should be reserved for maybe 1 or 2 battles for spots at very most, even then past season skill level should be considered.
I agree in some aspects. Training camp can be a good way to evaluate to see who should be given a chance to play in a RS game. I thought De Leo vastly out performed Petan. He looked faster, had better anticipation, was better along the boards and was reading the defensive play much better than Petan could. In a bottom 6 role Petan is completely lost on the defensive side of things. De Leo suits the role a lot better and I thought should have been given a call up last year but then again I'm not the coach and don't get to make the decisions.

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I agree in some aspects. Training camp can be a good way to evaluate to see who should be given a chance to play in a RS game. I thought De Leo vastly out performed Petan. He looked faster, had better anticipation, was better along the boards and was reading the defensive play much better than Petan could. In a bottom 6 role Petan is completely lost on the defensive side of things. De Leo suits the role a lot better and I thought should have been given a call up last year but then again I'm not the coach and don't get to make the decisions.
Bottom 6 shouldn't be a thing in today's NHL - especially with all the scoring talent in the Jets system. The aim should be three (or 4) scoring lines. That said, I do like the idea of feeding PK minutes to depth players and DeLeo may have a let up there.

As for defensive play, I've always regarded Petan as the better NZ player of the two and he anticipates play very well. He isn't as used to grinding it out in the D zone though.

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Bottom 6 shouldn't be a thing in today's NHL - especially with all the scoring talent in the Jets system. The aim should be three (or 4) scoring lines. That said, I do like the idea of feeding PK minutes to depth players and DeLeo may have a let up there.

As for defensive play, I've always regarded Petan as the better NZ player of the two and he anticipates play very well. He isn't as used to grinding it out in the D zone though.
Most teams need to deploy at least one line that has defensive abilities, PK specialists. That doesn't mean they can't have scoring but they should be able to hold their own in the dzone. Petan hasn't shown he can do that in any capacity yet. He could likely play wing in our top 6 if we had the space to give him but he's below the depth chart of guys like Laine, Ehlers, Wheeler, MP and likely Connor. I like Petan but he's just to one dimensional at this point to be a mainstay in our lineup. Unless he can develop some defence over the next few years I can't see him ever being a mainstay in our lineup.

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Most teams need to deploy at least one line that has defensive abilities, PK specialists. That doesn't mean they can't have scoring but they should be able to hold their own in the dzone. Petan hasn't shown he can do that in any capacity yet. He could likely play wing in our top 6 if we had the space to give him but he's below the depth chart of guys like Laine, Ehlers, Wheeler, MP and likely Connor. I like Petan but he's just to one dimensional at this point to be a mainstay in our lineup. Unless he can develop some defence over the next few years I can't see him ever being a mainstay in our lineup.
One defensive line.
Top 6.
There are 3 more forward positions.

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There are 3 more forward positions.
Yeah absolutely. Then it comes down to how you deploy your lines. We all know Mo prefers to give Scheif the ozone starts. So any 3rd line scoring line is still going to have to hold its own in the dzone.

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It's the junior points effect. De Leo looked much better than Petan last TC at least in a bottom 6 role.
People in general are higher on prospects that haven't turned pro yet.

Petan was everyones favorite here when he was putting up 100+ points in junior. Then he turns pro and some of his flaws get exposed, and people are quick to jump off the train. People liked Lemieux a lot more as a prospect in junior (though there were some that never liked him - just speaking in general). Lemieux gets to the professional ranks and his flaws are again exposed - and people are quick to jump off the train. De Leo is more or less the same, he doesn't have the junior hype behind him anymore, he's put up back to back seasons of give or take 0.5 PPG in the AHL, and he looks like he could maybe be an up and down forward (but possibly not with the Jets due to roster crunches).

Jan Kostalek is another one. People liked him in the QMJHL, he won QMJHL defenseman of the year in 2014-2015. He has since joined the pro ranks, struggled immensely and now no one discusses him as a future NHL defenseman at all. What will happen if Sami Niku has a Jan Kostalek-esque first pro season?

Most prospects drafted into the NHL (and the Jets) dominate junior and NCAA, and it's exciting! Then when they become a professional and struggle a bit it all changes.

I want to say shiny new toy syndrome too? Harkins and Spacek are the newest kids on the block, just starting their professional careers. Everyone is excited to see what they can do! Let's see what the people say after they (possibly) spend a year struggling in the AHL. Not saying they will, but it's a possibility.

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People in general are higher on prospects that haven't turned pro yet.

Petan was everyones favorite here when he was putting up 100+ points in junior. Then he turns pro and some of his flaws get exposed, and people are quick to jump off the train. People liked Lemieux a lot more as a prospect in junior (though there were some that never liked him - just speaking in general). Lemieux gets to the professional ranks and his flaws are again exposed - and people are quick to jump off the train. De Leo is more or less the same, he doesn't have the junior hype behind him anymore, he's put up back to back seasons of give or take 0.5 PPG in the AHL, and he looks like he could maybe be an up and down forward (but possibly not with the Jets due to roster crunches).

Jan Kostalek is another one. People liked him in the QMJHL, he won QMJHL defenseman of the year in 2014-2015. He has since joined the pro ranks, struggled immensely and now no one discusses him as a future NHL defenseman at all. What will happen if Sami Niku has a Jan Kostalek-esque first pro season?

Most prospects drafted into the NHL (and the Jets) dominate junior and NCAA, and it's exciting! Then when they become a professional and struggle a bit it all changes.

I want to say shiny new toy syndrome too?
Harkins and Spacek are the newest kids on the block, just starting their professional careers. Everyone is excited to see what they can do! Let's see what the people say after they (possibly) spend a year struggling in the AHL. Not saying they will, but it's a possibility.
Upside is an exciting fantasy. Fans mellow out when they learn that initial high hopes are no longer a reality.


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Upside is an exciting fantasy. Fans mellow out when they tean that initial high hopes are no longer a reality.
I know. Back in 2011, I had high hopes for the Jets.

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