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Winnipeg Jets Top 20 Prospects 2017 - #11

View Poll Results: Winnipeg Jets #11 prospect
Mason Appleton 1 0.92%
Jacob Cederholm 0 0%
Chase De Leo 5 4.59%
Erik Foley 26 23.85%
Leon Gawanke 1 0.92%
Luke Green 18 16.51%
Johnathan Kovacevic 27 24.77%
Brendan Lemieux 21 19.27%
Nelson Nogier 7 6.42%
Santeri Virtanen 3 2.75%
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07-15-2017, 03:33 PM
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Same. If he has another strong season I think we'll see him turn pro in short order.
So far he is tracking similarly to Parayko. Parayko did 2 more seasons of NCAA before turning pro and immediately being an impact player. I'm not counting on that but it could happen. Or he could have already peaked. He is an interesting pick.

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So far he is tracking similarly to Parayko. Parayko did 2 more seasons of NCAA before turning pro and immediately being an impact player. I'm not counting on that but it could happen. Or he could have already peaked. He is an interesting pick.
Problem with this thinking is that there are hundreds of players that track like Parayko. Most don't make NHL. If there weren't more players that tracked like that Parayko and Kovecevic would have been top picks.

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07-15-2017, 04:00 PM
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Still voting Green just like the last poll, mainly to his pedigree and potential. He has the highest of upside of this bunch if he hits his potential

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Still voting Green just like the last poll, mainly to his pedigree and potential. He has the highest of upside of this bunch if he hits his potential
What do you think his upside is?

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07-15-2017, 05:40 PM
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Foley is very good.

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What do you think his upside is?
A postma lite would be great if he became that but that's his ceiling IMO

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Foley is very good.
I've kind of lumped him in as a bottom 6 winger, but I'm probably underestimating him. He's quick, strong and he has great hands in tight. I don't think he'll drive a line higher than third, but he could be a complimentary piece that can play anywhere.

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What do you think his upside is?
I think he has upside as a top-4 guy who can run the powerplay. I see him being a Jusin Schultz/Vatanen type if he hits his upside. His last season was a bit weird statistically but since there is so much talk of "eye test/scouting unearthing good players" on this board when it comes to Samberg, there is no prospect of the ones left (and many of the ones already ranked) who looks better in an "eye-test" than Green (granted I haven't seen 2017 draft class play yet).

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A postma lite would be great if he became that but that's his ceiling IMO
Not even close. Have you seen him skate? His skating alone puts his upside as much higher than Postma. I'm not saying he hits his upside but his upside is much higher than Postma.

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Foley is very good.
He is next on my list to vote for, after Green

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A postma lite would be great if he became that but that's his ceiling IMO
He's a much more efficient and fast skater than Postma ever was. Postma seemed a bit more physical than Green but I'd say Green has the better shot, passing ability and vision. This next season will be telling for him as he'll be at the top of sherbrooke's depth chart. But I think he could have 2nd pairing upside.

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07-15-2017, 07:44 PM
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Garret's List, Garret's PCS%, and HFJets Rankings

1 Connor 67.4% ...voted 1st
2 Roslovic 58.0% ...voted 2nd
3 Vesalainen 55.6% ...voted 3rd
4 Samberg 8.9% ...voted 9th
5 Niku 20.0% ...voted 4th
6 Poolman 20.0% ...voted 5th
7 Spacek 21.0% ...voted 7th
8 Kovacevic 20.2%
9 Comrie NA ...voted 6th
10 Lemieux 22.3%
11 Foley 18.6%
12 Virtanen 17.7%
13 Gawanke 16.5%
14 Harkins 12.3% ...voted 8th
15 DeLeo 21.1%
16 Appleton 14.4%
17 Green 10.3%
18 Stanley 8.3% ...voted 10th
19 Berdin NA
20 Nogier 22.1%
21 McKenzie 13.1%
22 Evingson NA
23 Lipon 12.9%
24 Lodge 13.5%
25 Franklin 2.7%
26 Cederholm 7.7%
27 Kraskovsky 7.4%
28 Stallard 10.0%
29 Glover 2.0%

Voting for Kovacevic.

One of the highest PCS players remaining. Big boy who is still very mobile. Heavy shot. Can handle the puck, jump in the play, and has solid hockey sense. Reminds me somewhat of Tucker Poolman. Poolman was bit more "rover-like" and popped out more, but Kovacevic has tracked better analytically speaking. There's always question marks on players this far out from #1 ranked, but guys like Kovacevic and Foley peak my intrigue more than other players available at this range.


Add Berdin.

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07-15-2017, 07:54 PM
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He's a much more efficient and fast skater than Postma ever was. Postma seemed a bit more physical than Green but I'd say Green has the better shot, passing ability and vision. This next season will be telling for him as he'll be at the top of sherbrooke's depth chart. But I think he could have 2nd pairing upside.
To respond to both of you guys. I was not comparing him to Postma's style of play, I meant to say he may play a role similar to Postma as his ceiling. I'm well aware of his elite skating and great passing, I also see his struggles in his own zone.

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To respond to both of you guys. I was not comparing him to Postma's style of play, I meant to say he may play a role similar to Postma as his ceiling. I'm well aware of his elite skating and great passing, I also see his struggles in his own zone.
I think he has a high ceiling than Postma ever did is what I'm trying to say.

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Kovacevik, Foley, gawanke, for me at this point. Maybe sneak green in there. Well see how im feeling on the day.


I generally agree with garrets PCs list but just don't like lemieux at this point

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Kovacevik, Foley, gawanke, for me at this point. Maybe sneak green in there. Well see how im feeling on the day.


I generally agree with Garret's PCs list but just don't like lemieux at this point
If you don't suck to the point of being a consistent healthy scratch, you'll generally get a 15-30 PCS in your AHL rookie season.

Reason why Lemieux is high on my list is I think the organization will give him lots of opportunities to succeed and he hasn't been poor enough for them to be down on.

I definitely admit I could be overly down on Green for a tough year in tough situations.

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did lemieux suffer and concussion symptoms after that muggings from tkchuck beginning of last season?

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Virtanen is getting underrated here imho.......as he probably was on draft day. McKeens had him 46 OA! He got lost in the mix after his injury.

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Virtanen is getting underrated here imho.......as he probably was on draft day. McKeens had him 46 OA! He got lost in the mix after his injury.
Dark horse no doubt. I'm keeping an eye on him this year. He will be a riser.

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I like Foley better than Lemieux, but I think the organization is still pretty high on Lemieux and he'll get an opportunity. He's not without talent, and if his skating has really improved, he definitely has NHL potential.

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Not even close. Have you seen him skate? His skating alone puts his upside as much higher than Postma. I'm not saying he hits his upside but his upside is much higher than Postma.
Postma is an average skater whose mind doesn't process the game at NHL speed. If he can skate better than Postma he will be better than Postma.

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did lemieux suffer and concussion symptoms after that muggings from tkchuck beginning of last season?
was injured to begin season if i recall correctly. not the best way to start a pro-career.

Maybe his injury was young stars tournament. I can't remember.


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I like Foley better than Lemieux, but I think the organization is still pretty high on Lemieux and he'll get an opportunity. He's not without talent, and if his skating has really improved, he definitely has NHL potential.
His NHL potential depends largely on learning to stay out of the penalty box. I don't think any NHL team can afford the kind of jackass he has been. If he can learn to draw as many penalties as he takes he might have a future.

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Yeah I honestly have no idea how Stanley wins over a guy that produced similar in the NCAA to what Stanley produced in the OHL. I think some people have been pushing Stanley just to get him up the rankings but to each their own.
Draft pedigree doesn't have an impact on who the better players are, but it does impact how likely the players left on the board are going to get their shot. That puts Stanley ahead of Kovacevic for me, even if I personally think the latter is more likely to be a better player.

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was injured to begin season if i recall correctly. not the best way to start a pro-career.
yeah I"M hoping lemieux makes a strong case for himself this year.

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yeah I"M hoping lemieux makes a strong case for himself this year.
I don't see the use of a player that can't score that takes 5x as many penalties as he draws. I have never been a Lemieux fan, those hoping for his father are going to be SORELY disappointing.

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