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10-29-2003, 04:38 AM
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Sather somehow gave Messier 19:55 of ice, including 7:27 in the second period and 8:08 in the third that included consecutive power play shifts of 2:00 and 1:56, respectively. Holik, meanwhile, received 17:27 of ice, two seconds on the PP after the first. Absurd.

Meanwhile, Jamie Lundmark basically disappeared from the rotation, sliding to the fourth line with Rheaume and Dan LaCouture. Lundmark had 6:13 of ice through the second period, not a second on the PP, and wound up with 9:42, getting a chance to play only after Chris Simon picked up an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty and a 10-minute misconduct on top of an elbow that negated a PP with 10:57 to go in the third.


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Sather somehow gave Messier 19:55 of ice, including 7:27 in the second period and 8:08 in the third that included consecutive power play shifts of 2:00 and 1:56, respectively. Holik, meanwhile, received 17:27 of ice, two seconds on the PP after the first. Absurd.

Meanwhile, Jamie Lundmark basically disappeared from the rotation, sliding to the fourth line with Rheaume and Dan LaCouture. Lundmark had 6:13 of ice through the second period, not a second on the PP, and wound up with 9:42, getting a chance to play only after Chris Simon picked up an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty and a 10-minute misconduct on top of an elbow that negated a PP with 10:57 to go in the third.


I give up.
messier's hands look like they're turning to stone out there too. he had a chance to put one away in the first and he shanked it off the heel. he doesn't seem to hurt us but then again he doesn't seem to help us either. i thought lundmark did some good things last night but he needs to move his feet more. he get's caught reaching with his stick to slow down his man too much. still in all i would have given him at least 5 of mess' 19mins. at this point what do we have to lose??

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10-29-2003, 05:10 AM
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Sather somehow gave Messier 19:55 of ice, including 7:27 in the second period and 8:08 in the third that included consecutive power play shifts of 2:00 and 1:56, respectively. Holik, meanwhile, received 17:27 of ice, two seconds on the PP after the first. Absurd.

Meanwhile, Jamie Lundmark basically disappeared from the rotation, sliding to the fourth line with Rheaume and Dan LaCouture. Lundmark had 6:13 of ice through the second period, not a second on the PP, and wound up with 9:42, getting a chance to play only after Chris Simon picked up an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty and a 10-minute misconduct on top of an elbow that negated a PP with 10:57 to go in the third.


I give up.
lundmark looks awful. what has he shown since he became a ranger? im curious because most of you guys praise him like he is the second coming of steve yzerman.

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10-29-2003, 05:20 AM
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Lundmark looks awful? Really? How can you tell when the guy got 9 minutes of ice time, and is averaging only 10 a game with 30 second shifts. He looks awful? If he's awful then what the hell is Ruchinsky, Hlavac, Kovalev and Carter. They have almost triple the ice time and what? 1, 2 goals between the 4 of them. Why is Lundmark expected to do so much when no one else does? Maybe if they'd let him play some decent time and get into a groove he could show something. Hlavac is a waste of good skates.

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10-29-2003, 05:22 AM
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lundmark looks awful. what has he shown since he became a ranger? im curious because most of you guys praise him like he is the second coming of steve yzerman.
kinda hard to say he looked awful in 6mins of ice no? don't take this the wrong way but, have you ever played hockey? as an offensive player it's very difficult to get any rhythm playing 6mins spread out over a 60min game. he's not a physical player so for him to be effective he needs to see a regular shift. in junior he was noted as a good 2way player with a lot of offensive upside and he had the numbers to back that up. he may have been compared to yzerman back then but to be honest i haven't read any posts with those camparisons since he finished his junior career.

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10-29-2003, 05:33 AM
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has lundmark looked good when he was getting significant ice time? i think when lindros comes back lundmark will be placed with him but lets face it lundmark has looked awful at even strength. you want to know why messier is getting so much ice time? his line is flying and simon looks great.

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has lundmark looked good when he was getting significant ice time? i think when lindros comes back lundmark will be placed with him but lets face it lundmark has looked awful at even strength. you want to know why messier is getting so much ice time? his line is flying and simon looks great.
Messier and Simon look great? This is the same Messier that couldn't hit the net last night if his life depended on it, right? This is the same Simon who once again took a dumb ass penalty then got himself tossed from the game? Has Lundmark looked good? Yes, he has, on the Penalty kill and when he had decent ice time. Great? No, but he looked as good as any of the others with the exception of Lindros and maybe Nedved. Messier LOOKED 42 out there last night, or maybe even 52.

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you want to know why messier is getting so much ice time? his line is flying and simon looks great.
But again, history tells us that you simply CANNOT give a 42 year old Messier that much ice time. History tells us that it is absolutely assinine to play Messier more than Holik. History also tells us that playing a promising young player with 2 waiver pickups (granted Lacoutre was not obtained through waivers) will NOT lead to said youngster getting offensive chances. Very few young players are able to create instant offense ALL BY THEMSELVES. Why do you think that Datsyuk and Zettenberg played with Hull, Shanahan, or Yzerman at different times? Why did Hejduk,Tanguy, and Drury spend significant time with either Sakic or Forsberg? Why does Larianov skate for only 10-12 minutes? Why does Jackass choose to ignore the obvious?

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Messier and Simon look great? This is the same Messier that couldn't hit the net last night if his life depended on it, right? This is the same Simon who once again took a dumb ass penalty then got himself tossed from the game? Has Lundmark looked good? Yes, he has, on the Penalty kill and when he had decent ice time. Great? No, but he looked as good as any of the others with the exception of Lindros and maybe Nedved. Messier LOOKED 42 out there last night, or maybe even 52.
simon and messier were both robbed last night. come on dont let you messier sucks bias get in the way. lundmark is the most overrated prospect in hockey. well he was, now he is just an average nhl player who cant finish. i find it so funny that you guys are pushing a guy like lundmark for more ice time when he has no goals this season and when he was placed with holik he looked out of place. where are all the people that wanted lundmark put with holik. you guys got it he looked terrible he was put on the lindros line and than lindros got hurt. a line of lacoutoure wiseman lundmark can be a high energy fourth line. that the ice time they deserve right now.

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simon and messier were both robbed last night. come on dont let you messier sucks bias get in the way. lundmark is the most overrated prospect in hockey. well he was, now he is just an average nhl player who cant finish. i find it so funny that you guys are pushing a guy like lundmark for more ice time when he has no goals this season and when he was placed with holik he looked out of place. where are all the people that wanted lundmark put with holik. you guys got it he looked terrible he was put on the lindros line and than lindros got hurt. a line of lacoutoure wiseman lundmark can be a high energy fourth line. that the ice time they deserve right now.

Robbed?????? A Whiff (actually three whiffs) is ROBBED????????????

Out of place with Holik????

Seriously, what's up with your glasses???

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Sather somehow gave Messier 19:55 of ice, including 7:27 in the second period and 8:08 in the third that included consecutive power play shifts of 2:00 and 1:56, respectively. Holik, meanwhile, received 17:27 of ice, two seconds on the PP after the first. Absurd.



I give up.
Maybe Mess has finally realized his 'age' and Slats is giving him the icetime so he can retire this year and become the Coach they need??

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[QUOTE=jar jar links]has lundmark looked good when he was getting significant ice time?

when exactly was lundmark getting significant ice time?

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Robbed??? Messier had a wide open net to shoot at and he MISSED! Robbed??? I don't know what game you were watching but Messier's line MISSED about 6 or 7 great chances. Maybe we should let him play 30 minutes a game so he can miss some more.

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Robbed?????? A Whiff (actually three whiffs) is ROBBED????????????

Out of place with Holik????

Seriously, what's up with your glasses???
so your saying messier and simon werent robbed last night? yes messier missed one open net but...... what about the 5 other times when they were robbed.

your saying lundmark looked good with holik?

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10-29-2003, 06:25 AM
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so your saying messier and simon werent robbed last night? yes messier missed one open net but...... what about the 5 other times when they were robbed.

your saying lundmark looked good with holik?
the majority of the shots gerber faced last night were of the average variety at best. i thought he made some good saves but he didn't rob anyone last night. he was in postiion all night and for the most part he was getting hit by pucks as opposed to making saves.

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Lundmark looks awful? Really? How can you tell when the guy got 9 minutes of ice time, and is averaging only 10 a game with 30 second shifts. He looks awful? If he's awful then what the hell is Ruchinsky, Hlavac, Kovalev and Carter. They have almost triple the ice time and what? 1, 2 goals between the 4 of them. Why is Lundmark expected to do so much when no one else does? Maybe if they'd let him play some decent time and get into a groove he could show something. Hlavac is a waste of good skates.

Hlavac, Rucinsky, and Carter have been pretty awful.

Kovalev, however, has been our best player in the past three games, by far!

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For the past three games yes but given his talent and salary I expect him to be the best player day in and day out. My point was simply there is PLENTY of blame to go around.

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