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08-12-2017, 09:04 PM
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Wondering thoughts on this trade / direction.

Kadri + Soshnikov + pick
For
Jenner + Murray


Marleau-Matthews-Hyman
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Murray-Rielly
Dermott-Hainsey

My vision is that it leaves us in a decent place to graduate players and deal with money allocation.

Nylander is eased in with 3rd line mins. Jenner brings some hard work to that line. Murray has top4 upside

Start to see how our finish product looks. Likely lose 2/3rds of that 2nd line and have Nylander line move into it.

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Murray isn't a difference maker for our defense. Moving from Kadri to Jenner is a downgrade. On top of that, we lose our critical matchup line.

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Murray isn't a difference maker for our defense. Moving from Kadri to Jenner is a downgrade. On top of that, we lose our critical matchup line.
I feel Murray has break out written all over him.

Jenner is a different breed. He brings what we lack imo. I guy with the engine of Hyman, that can keep up offensively, and play anywhere in your lineup.

Though I do understand not wanting to move Kadri, I think the basis of this deal sets us up nicely for the future.

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I feel Murray has break out written all over him.

Jenner is a different breed. He brings what we lack imo. I guy with the engine of Hyman, that can keep up offensively, and play anywhere in your lineup.

Though I do understand not wanting to move Kadri, I think the basis of this deal sets us up nicely for the future.
I wouldn't do that deal as Kadri's clearly the best player in that deal.

Kadri's the glue guy on our team. He brings a lot to the table that's not easily replaceable. If we trade Kadri, we're looking for another Kadri.

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Wondering thoughts on this trade / direction.

Kadri + Soshnikov + pick
For
Jenner + Murray


Marleau-Matthews-Hyman
JvR-Bozak-Marner
Jenner-Nylander-Brown
Komarov-Moore-Kapanen
Martin

Gardiner-Zeitsev
Murray-Rielly
Dermott-Hainsey

My vision is that it leaves us in a decent place to graduate players and deal with money allocation.

Nylander is eased in with 3rd line mins. Jenner brings some hard work to that line. Murray has top4 upside

Start to see how our finish product looks. Likely lose 2/3rds of that 2nd line and have Nylander line move into it.

Not trading Kadri for a 2nd pairing left defenseman. Especially when it's bumping rielly or Gardiner to their off side.


Either fleece some GM for a top 4 RHD, make a big ufa signing, or work with stop gap untill Dermott and Liljeren can step into our top 4. Our defense isn't that bad guys.

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Not trading Kadri for a 2nd pairing left defenseman. Especially when it's bumping rielly or Gardiner to their off side.


Either fleece some GM for a top 4 RHD, make a big ufa signing, or work with stop gap untill Dermott and Liljeren can step into our top 4. Our defense isn't that bad guys.
Yeah LOL the real season can't begin fast enough man. We ain'ts trading Kadri for nobody. Like terence hill my name is nobody dirt. He is that important and great for us. He even more untouchable than 99 gretzky the great one for us man. We ain'ts moving kadri for no fool. He makes us a winner, doing all kinds of stuff with that foolishly grreat attitude (emotion). Not a lot people show that type of emotion nowadays anymore. He the real deal. We keeping him and I'm making calls while we talking already.

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We keeping him and I'm making calls while we talking already.
Make some calls Senor!

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Not trading Kadri for a 2nd pairing left defenseman. Especially when it's bumping rielly or Gardiner to their off side.

Either fleece some GM for a top 4 RHD, make a big ufa signing, or work with stop gap untill Dermott and Liljeren can step into our top 4. Our defense isn't that bad guys.
Of the three solutions you listed, one is realistic and/or more likely.

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Leafs 19-20

79M Cap (it's 75M this year so this accounts for a 2M growth per year)

Sign Drew Doughty for 7 years 8.5M per

Marleau, Carrick to Arizona for a 5th round pick

Horton to LTR

Grundstrom (ELC) - Matthews (11M) - Marner (6.75M)
Johnsson (1.25M) - Nylander (6.75M) - Kapanen (2M bridge)
Hyman (2.25M) - Kadri (4.5M) - Brown (3.5M)
Leivo (1.25M) - Gauthier (1M) - Martin (2.5M)
Skille (700k)

*Not a fan of Leivo at 1.25M per on the 4th line)

Rielly (5M) - Doughty (8.5M)
Dermott (ELC) - Zaitsev (4.5M)
Nielsen (ELC) - Liljegren (ELC)
Borgman (950k)

Andersen (5M)
Hutchinson (900k)

the depth players can be subbed by other players if you don't like the names, the cap cap space is 2.297M

I tried to keep Gardiner but I figured he's coming in at like 5.5M on his next deal which is a fair deal but Drew Doughty (a lot of it hinges on him signing with us and dumping Marleau in year 3 of his deal).

Felt weird seeing Dermott, Nielsen and Liljegren all their on their ELCs but they're all in their last years of the ELC and they've been groomed well at that point.

Scenario 2) Trade Zaitsev and keep Gardiner but then our LD-RD balance is off


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Of the three solutions you listed, one is realistic and/or more likely.
Stop gap till prospects come up?

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Marner (6.75M)
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If we can sign Marner long term for 6.75M I will be ecstatic


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Stop gap till prospects come up?
Yes. The other two alternatives were either very high cost (UFA) or very unlikely (fleecing another GM) and a real long shot.

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Felt weird seeing Dermott, Nielsen and Liljegren all their on their ELCs but they're all in their last years of the ELC and they've been groomed well at that point.
How are the Leafs supposed to sign those 3 starting with the 2020-2021 season? The 7-year 8.5 mil contract to a 30+ year-old Doughty seems like it will have long lasting implications. The Leafs can't afford an D that expensive if they plan on keeping Matthews, Marner and Nylander, especially if they want to keep a decent chunk of the rest of their young prospects.

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Is Bozak available at all

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If he's replaced by something of equal value.

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Yes, but he's a key cog of the second best center depth in the league, so if your making an offer, it'd better be worth it.

Fwiw, the team with the best center depth in the league won the cup the last 2 seasons.

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How are the Leafs supposed to sign those 3 starting with the 2020-2021 season? The 7-year 8.5 mil contract to a 30+ year-old Doughty seems like it will have long lasting implications. The Leafs can't afford an D that expensive if they plan on keeping Matthews, Marner and Nylander, especially if they want to keep a decent chunk of the rest of their young prospects.
Horton disappearing certainly helps, LTR stuff in the off-season is a PITA. Might also need to diversify our assets. Maybe it's not possible to keep the big 3 and have a high end defenseman?

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With Fisher retired, Preds still have some good cap room.

What can we get from them for Bozak and/or JVR?

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Horton disappearing certainly helps, LTR stuff in the off-season is a PITA. Might also need to diversify our assets. Maybe it's not possible to keep the big 3 and have a high end defenseman?
Why? I don't think we are in quite the predicament cap wise some seem to think. If we do find ourselves in tight where we have to move out bodies you do so to keep those 3. I can't see it being a problem though.

Before all 3 of their 2nd contracts come into effect we have a number of substantial cap hits coming off the books.

Lupul $5.25
JVR $4.25
Bozak $4.2
Komarov $2.95
Fehr $2.0
Moore $1.0
Gardiner $4.05
Hainsey $3
Marincin $1.25
Gleason $1.33
Cowen 0.75
=$30.03 million
+ Matthews ($0.925 + 2.85), Marner ($0.895 + $0.85) and Nylander ($0.895 + 0.85) ELC + Bonus values which will be replaced by new salary
=$37.295 coming off the books + Horton $5.3 on LTIR

What will likely replace those contracts in 2 years?

Matthews ?
Marner ?
Nylander ?
Kapanen ?
Leivo likely less than or around $1.0
Grundstrom $0.925
Liljegren $0.925
Dermott $0.863
Gauthier likely less than or around $1.0
Korshkov ELC
Brogman ELC now but RFA then
Rosen ELC now but RFA then

It appears that there is definitely enough money to sign the big 3, and still make a legit push for a big name D, and this is without taking into account the salary cap increasing a bit each year.
The key to maintaining our core and a good cap is to keep drafting and developing to replace players with young guys on ELCs, which is why I think we have to ensure we get something for JVR, and at least one of Bozak or Komarov.

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Maybe it's not possible to keep the big 3 and have a high end defenseman?
Only if the Leafs develop one from within. But I don't see it ever working if the high end D is one they signed as an 8.5/yr UFA.

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Maybe it's not possible to keep the big 3 and have a high end defenseman?
It depends. Gardiner will probably cost a fair bit to keep after 2 more years.

If we want to re-sign Gardiner and keep Marleau for his 3rd year... there is almost certainly no room for a high end defender. But even if we trade Marleau, I think it will still be too tight.

To make room, we would probably also have to trade guys like Martin and have all our 4th liners making about $1 million each.

I guess it depends on how much the big 3 end up costing... how much the cap is... are we keeping Gardiner and Marleau in 3 years from now... etc.

But I think we have to be satisfied with Gardiner, Rielly, Zaitsev, Liljegren, Dermott as our main pieces. I'm happy with that group to be honest. Sure, adding a Trouba or whatever would be pretty awesome... but I think we'll be fine with the players we have.

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