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11-01-2003, 05:25 AM
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Isles-Ducks proposal

Tried posting this earlier and it didn't post.If two threads for the same proposal come up..sorry Mods.

Ducks are getting Carney back from an injury and there are rumors they'll look to move a d-man.Duck fans are saying 23 yr old Vish could be the player moved,that his development's stalled.

There's some difference of opinion among Duck fans about what the team would ask for in return.Some posters have said picks/prospects,while others think it'd take a player like A. Carter.

What would the Ducks ask for from the isles?

Parrish-$2.2m
Weinhandl-$1m
Bergenheim-$1m
Hunter-$400,000-$600,000
Papineau-$450,000

Isles also have some nice forward prospects Chernyk and Tunik who could go.

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11-01-2003, 05:58 AM
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What would the Ducks ask for from the isles?

Parrish-$2.2m
Weinhandl-$1m
Bergenheim-$1m
Hunter-$400,000-$600,000
Papineau-$450,000

Isles also have some nice forward prospects Chernyk and Tunik who could go.
why would the Isles want ANOTHER defenseman? their top 4 is the best in the league, and their 5th and 6th defenseman are just fine. they can't afford to lose any more scoring just to acquire more good defensemen. however, its your grave:

TO NYI:

Vitali Vishnevski, Mike LeClerc, Anaheim's 2nd rounder in 2004

TO ANAHEIM:

Mark Parrish, Radek Martinek

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They're going to end up getting rid of Parrish anway, he has done nothing this season.

And the Isles 5th and 6th d-men are Butenschon and Cairns, who are solid, but there's certainly room for improvement.

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why would the Isles want ANOTHER defenseman? their top 4 is the best in the league, and their 5th and 6th defenseman are just fine. they can't afford to lose any more scoring just to acquire more good defensemen. however, its your grave:

TO NYI:

Vitali Vishnevski, Mike LeClerc, Anaheim's 2nd rounder in 2004

TO ANAHEIM:

Mark Parrish, Radek Martinek



In a few weeks the isles will get Weinhandl back from the injured list.Scatchard's return's less certain,but he could be back in 3-5 weeks too.Isles can't demote either Hunter or Papineau without putting them on waivers(which they have said they won't do).Too many forwards,too few roster spots.Isles won't want to bring in LeClerc because of this and because they won't want to add his salary to the budget.

also none of the top 4 are physical,bruisers.Isles need a kid Like Vish(or Guathier).They could then trade either Aucoin or Jonsson to fill a team need as the trade deadline approaches.

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They're going to end up getting rid of Parrish anway, he has done nothing this season.


Looks like another streaky yr for Parrish (3 goals,2 or 3 assists).

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Tried posting this earlier and it didn't post.If two threads for the same proposal come up..sorry Mods.

Ducks are getting Carney back from an injury and there are rumors they'll look to move a d-man.Duck fans are saying 23 yr old Vish could be the player moved,that his development's stalled.

There's some difference of opinion among Duck fans about what the team would ask for in return.Some posters have said picks/prospects,while others think it'd take a player like A. Carter.

What would the Ducks ask for from the isles?

Parrish-$2.2m
Weinhandl-$1m
Bergenheim-$1m
Hunter-$400,000-$600,000
Papineau-$450,000

Isles also have some nice forward prospects Chernyk and Tunik who could go.
This makes no sense whatsoever. We don't need another defenseman. We'd be crazy to give up any of the guys you listed for Vishnevski.

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Leclerc is injured until Janurary, but the Ducks probably won't consider dealing him even before then.

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They're going to end up getting rid of Parrish anway, he has done nothing this season.

And the Isles 5th and 6th d-men are Butenschon and Cairns, who are solid, but there's certainly room for improvement.
Done nothing?...Every game it seems he does alot of little things such as taking his normal beating in front of the net screening the goalie and taking hits along the boards to make a play.He may not be getting the goals or points but the plays he's making at times are major parts in scoring goals.

He hasn't been outstanding but he hasn't done nothing.

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This makes no sense whatsoever. We don't need another defenseman. We'd be crazy to give up any of the guys you listed for Vishnevski.
I agree,Vishnevski would be nice but really is not needed.

Right now Isles shouldn't be looking to deal,they should be still evaluating their current talent as the season has just started.

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I agree,Vishnevski would be nice but really is not needed.

Right now Isles shouldn't be looking to deal,they should be still evaluating their current talent as the season has just started.
Parrish has got 3 goals in his first 9 cames or so, which is his typical 25 - - 30 goal pace.

I would not deal him or Bergenheim for Vish but any two of the remaining forwards would be fine with me.

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Adding to what's been stated, if the asking price was fair, Isles would surely be wise - as would any other team in the NHL - to add a talented, young dman to their roster. At anytime. Can never have enough talent on D, and it would also open up other potential trade options.

That said, don't think Anaheim will be rushing to move Vish, and Isles need to evaluate what they have. And it cannot be done in ten games. Parrish is fine, as noted.

If/when NYI makes a move, I foresee the acquisition of an impact forward. Perhaps late season, with a team looking to dump salary/rebuild, in exchange for multiple younger forwards. (Most likely, said player will be near the end of his contract.)

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Adding to what's been stated, if the asking price was fair, Isles would surely be wise - as would any other team in the NHL - to add a talented, young dman to their roster. At anytime. Can never have enough talent on D, and it would also open up other potential trade options.

That said, don't think Anaheim will be rushing to move Vish, and Isles need to evaluate what they have. And it cannot be done in ten games. Parrish is fine, as noted.

If/when NYI makes a move, I foresee the acquisition of an impact forward. Perhaps late season, with a team looking to dump salary/rebuild, in exchange for multiple younger forwards. (Most likely, said player will be near the end of his contract.)
and it sure would be nice if said impact player were a left winger. that would allow for four very good lines.

this is off topic, but i'll say it here anyway: it's all up to dipietro though. we all know that snow cannot get the isles to the promised land. perhaps dipietro can't either. but, he certainly has a better chance than garth when you consider that he is already the better goalie and hasn't played one full nhl season yet. he will only get better as ye continues to learn.

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This makes no sense whatsoever. We don't need another defenseman. We'd be crazy to give up any of the guys you listed for Vishnevski.
I think you're opinion would change if Hamrlik or Jonsson went down with long-term injuries(2-3+ weeks) again. Considering Martinek or Cairns would then be playing 20+ minutes a game....

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I think you're opinion would change if Hamrlik or Jonsson went down with long-term injuries(2-3+ weeks) again. Considering Martinek or Cairns would then be playing 20+ minutes a game....

Well said. I agree completely.

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This makes no sense whatsoever. We don't need another defenseman. We'd be crazy to give up any of the guys you listed for Vishnevski.

at the end of camp Hahn reported the isles couldn't demote Hunter or Papineau, without taking the risk of another team taking them off on waivers.When Weinhandl comes back from rehabbing his ankle,someone has to go to make room.Sterling's made comments that there's a roster spot waiting for Weinhandl.


it's better to move 1-2 of these youngsters to fill a team need, then lose 1 of them off waivers and get nothing.

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