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04-07-2006, 09:42 PM
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The New Jersey Devils are pleased to select the greatest goaltender of all-time, in "Jake The Snake"

Jacques Plante

He was a 7 time all-star, and won the Hart Trophy in 1962. His 6 Stanley Cup wins, 10 Finals appearances, and 7 Vezina Trophies are all records for goaltenders.

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If not the best goalie of all time, Jacques Plante was certainly the most important - the man who introduced the art of modern goaltending to the NHL and whose influence is seen every night a game is played.

Plante was a pioneer of the style of play for goaltenders as well. While there had been other goalies before him who periodically came out of their crease to play the puck, he was the first to skate in behind the net to stop the puck for his defensemen. He also was the first to raise his arm on an icing call to let his defensemen know what was happening on the ice, and he perfected a stand-up style of goaltending that emphasized positional play, cutting down the angles and staying square to the shooter. His book, The Art of Goaltending, was the first of its kind and solidified his place in the game as not just a great stopper but a man who truly understood hockey and wanted to have an influence on how the game would be played in the future.
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Know something? While Blake at times hated Plante, he always insisted he was the best goaltender he'd ever seen.

"Especially those five years we won the Cup, eh?" Blake said. "I played with (Bill) Durnan, and he was the best I'd ever seen up to that time. Plante was better during those five years."

Blake knew it and so did Plante. His teammates knew it, even though he stretched their patience from time to time. It's true he played behind many of hockey's best players, starting with Doug Harvey on defence, Jean Beliveau, Dickie Moore, Maurice and Henri Richard, Boom Boom Geoffrion and others. The result was that on some nights, Plante's work was minimal because his colleagues controlled the puck most of the game, but he always made the big stops when the Canadiens needed them. No goaltender I have ever known was more confident in his ability to win.
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He was a reflex goalie with a lightning-quick glove-hand. He was also an exceptional skater - the best on the Canadiens, in fact. Such speed allowed him to roam out of his nets to stop errant passes or to fire the puck up-ice to a forward.
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"If Jacques was in the nets today, I'd still be playing. That's how good he was." - Bob Plager

"Jacques Plante is the best goaltender I've ever seen." - Anatoli Tarasov

"He did it his own way, and he was so damn good, he could do it his way." - Red Fisher

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04-07-2006, 09:46 PM
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The Saskatoon Blues are pleased to select Martin Brodeur and Larry Robinson.

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04-07-2006, 10:51 PM
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I wouldn't have Hull in my top five or six (Orr, Howe, Gretzky, Lemieux, Richard, Beliveau), but once you get past those top six, there's not much to choose between over the few picks. I went with Harvey because I firmly believe defence wins championships, and while there are a lot of really skilled forwards out there, once you get past the top three defencemen, there is a drop-off to No. 4, and another drop-off to No. 5. I wanted to get one of the big three defencemen (Orr, Shore or Harvey) and that's why I traded up. (I had Shore and Harvey behind only Orr and those five forwards).

But hey, when you can land Bobby Hull (who I'm guessing is your all-time favourite player) essentially at No. 11, that's a great pick-up.
With all due respect, I think your top 6 rankings are wrong. I see you were born in 78 so you couldn't have seen any of these players in their prime. Admittingly , I only saw the Rocket at the end and Howe toward the end but I saw the rest of them in their prime. My rankings are Orr, Hull, Howe, Lemieux, Gretzy, Richard, beliveau. There really seems to be a Montreal Canadian preference in a lot of these ratings such as he Hockey News top 100. I would love to know the make up of that voting group so i could understand their prejudices.

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04-07-2006, 11:12 PM
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C - Bobby Clarke
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He had a famous, captivating smile - with about a dozen missing teeth. That is how Bobby Clarke will be remembered by those who saw him on ice. One of the best checkers in the entire history of the league, he was also a ruffian a great leader and a warrior. And a victor.

No one personifies hockey in Philadelphia better than Bob Clarke. Physical talent, a relentless work ethic, an unquenchable thirst to win, and a powerful leadership presence made him the most beloved Flyer ever to skate at Broad Street and Pattison Avenue. Clarke’s career reads like a fairytale: a small town boy who overcomes the odds, leads his team to the supreme treasure, and finally, attains immortality in his sport.

Bobby wasn't the perfect hockey player not even close At 5'10" and 185 pounds he was blessed with average size and a good but not outstanding package of NHL skills. Clarkes gift was a prodigious one, was oen of hockey character, a sublime blend of virtue and malevolence perfect for the sport he played.

Clarke was more the a force of sheer willpower, though. He had 3 100 point seasons and lead the league in assists.

Clarke almost didnt get drafted because of concern over him having diabetes. However, the Philadelphia Flyers organization made enquires of a diabetic specialist and were told that as long as he took care of himself, Clarke would be fine. Thus assured, the Flyers drafted Clarke with their second pick, 17th overall, in the 1969 Entry Draft. (His diet antics would later become famous: he would drink two cans of soda and take three spoons of sugar before a game, add two bottles of orange juice during intermissions and pack chocolate bars and glucose gum hidden in his uniform's pockets, to prevent his sugar from going down from all the physical activity during the sixty minute games.) - Wikipedia

Diabetics were susceptible to infectious diseases and even a slight scratch could be dangerous. And Clarke played a very physical game and did his share of bleeding. The blood's sugar content was a major source of danger. If the concentration was low, the player could lose his physical coordination. If it was high, his legs would feel as heavy as lead. Gradually Bobby proved to all the skeptics that he was able to deal with his ailment. There were plenty of players out there with injuries that hadn't fully healed. Some with back injuries were compelled to wear a corset under their uniform. Others with knee injuries had to wear tight knee bandages before coming out on the ice. Clarke had diabetes and fought his illness by consuming sugar-laced juices

Bobby was one of the great stars of the sport during his playing days, notable for a ferocious will, tenacious defense play and scoring prowess. He was the ultimate proto-type team player, recognized by both his peers and fans alike.

In a sport whose culture considerespenalty minutes a posative stat, Clarkes blend of loyalty, industry and on ice cruelty was the best of all possible combinations and easily obscured his weak shot and mediocre skating.

In one poll, Clarke was the choise of NHL coaches as the leagues best penalty killer, checker, faceoffman, hardets worker and best leader and the same coaches also voted him as the player they would most like to have on there team -Top 50 Players of All Time.

Clarke retired after the 1983-84 NHL season, having scored 358 goals and 852 assists for 1210 points and 1453 penalty minutes in 1144 games. At the time of his retirement, he was 4th all-time in assists and 10th in points.

Bobby should have been first in the draft, but there were rumours in the NHL that Clarke was a diabetic and most probably wouldn't be able to play in the top league.
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Career achievements and facts
Captained the Philadelphia Flyers to Stanley Cups -1974 and 1975.
Currently 100th in all-time goal scoring,
21st in assists, 36th in points and 90th in games played.
Won the Hart Memorial Trophy 1973, 1975 and 1976.
Named a Second Team All-Star - 1973 and 1974.
Played in the NHL All-Star Game - 70,71,72,73,74,75,77 and 1978.
Won the Frank J. Selke trophy - 1983.
Won the Lester B. Pearson trophy - 1973.
Won the Bill Masterton Memorial Trophy - 1972.
In 1981 he was made an Officer of the Order of Canada.
Represented Canada in the 1972 Summit Series vs. USSR.
Captained Team Canada to victory in the 1976 Canada Cup.


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04-08-2006, 12:28 AM
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God Bless Canada selects:

C Bobby Clarke

Bio forthcoming

Thanks for announcing it. Had another commitment tonight, so I wasn't near my computer.

The Trail Smoke Eaters are thrilled to add the pride of Flin Flon, Manitoba, to our team. He brings the versatility that we crave so much in this organization. He's capable of beating a team in several different ways. The Trail Smoke Eaters are also pleased to announce that he will be serving as our captain.

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Stanley Cups: 1974 and 1975
First-ballot HHOF inductee (1987)
Long-time Philadelphia Flyers captain
Two first and two second team all-star selections
One Pearson Trophy
Three Hart Trophies
Bill Masterton winner
Selke Trophy winner


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04-08-2006, 02:56 AM
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Was hoping Plante would still be around. Anyways for my next pick, the Ottawa 67s select.....


HOWIE MORENZ

This gives me the two best pre-1950 players. Bio to follow in the bio thread.


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04-08-2006, 07:34 AM
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The Montreal Canadiens are pleased to select Mr. Goalie, Glen Hall. He won 1 Conn Smythe and was an 11-time all-star. No goalie has ever earned a spot on more all-star teams. He won three Vezina's and led the league in save percentage twice. Three-time finalist for the Hart.

"Gordie Howe was known as "Mr. Hockey," but that name didn't take into account the netminding duties so important to the game. For that there was Glenn Hall, nicknamed "Mr. Goalie" for his consistent and long-lasting success in the National Hockey League. Year after year, Hall was a familiar and intimidating sight in nets across the continent. He hardly missed a game or an award in his 18 NHL seasons and only four times did he finish a season with a losing record. His 84 career shutouts, third of all time, guaranteed his place in the Hockey Hall of Fame as one of the sport's best goaltenders." -- HHOF

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The Montreal Canadiens are pleased to select Mr. Goalie, Glen Hall. He won 1 Conn Smythe and was an 11-time all-star. No goalie has ever earned a spot on more all-star teams. He won three Vezina's and led the league in save percentage twice. Three-time finalist for the Hart.


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04-08-2006, 12:26 PM
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Though I personally put a premium on defense and even goaltending over forwards, how can I not take him? He's slipped almost out of the second round... almost.

Gives me incredible center depth and leadership flying out of the wazoo...

... even if he is an Icehole.

The New York Rangers are somewhat nauseous to select C Bryan Trottier.

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Though I personally put a premium on defense and even goaltending over forwards, how can I not take him? He's slipped almost out of the second round... almost.

Gives me incredible center depth and leadership flying out of the wazoo...

... even if he is an Icehole.

The New York Rangers are somewhat nauseous to select C Bryan Trottier.
Messier & Trottier as centers, very nice.

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The Hartford Whalers select Steve Yzerman

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The Hartford Whalers select Steve Yzerman
Once again, I miss out on Yzerman

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Once again, I miss out on Yzerman
That makes two of us. That was the first of many picks to come that hurt......

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That makes two of us. That was the first of many picks to come that hurt......
With only 3 picks to go I was hoping either Yzerman or Trottier would fall.

If anyone wants my next pick at 32, it is available

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The Quebec Aces are proud to choose this 8 time defensive leader in goals, 3 time defensive leader in assists and 5 time leader in points among defenseman...Red Kelly

"The Redhead... attacks like a great forward and defends like an even great defenseman. There's nobody like him for taking the pressure off his own team and in a few seconds applying it on the other guys." - Frank Boucher

Red Kelly was a unique player - versatile and talented enough to be one of the National Hockey League's best-ever defensemen early in his career and a high-scoring center at the end. The red-haired gentleman was cool and calculating on the ice and never swore, but there was no doubt about his ability to take care of himself. He had been a championship boxer at Toronto's St. Michael's College, skills the four-time winner of the Lady Byng Trophy wouldn't often display during his 20-year NHL career. - HHOF

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The Alberta Oilers just cannot pass up on the opportunity to select the only defenseman to break Bobby Orr's single season goal total:

Paul Coffey

Offense from my blueline is going to be beyond description......

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it is like rapid fire drafting lol

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Messier and Trottier down the middle, nice.

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Wanting a team with good transition, the Quebec Aces are proud to select one of the finest passing defenseman they've (meaning just me) ever seen...Brad Park

In just about any other era, Brad Park would have been considered the best defenseman of his generation. He had size and played aggressively, taking care of business in his own zone. Offensively, he was a pinpoint passer and a deceptive stickhandler, abilities which made him a natural and potent power-play threat. He had the skating speed and the instincts to join the rush, providing his team with a fourth attacker. But Park played at the same time as Bobby Orr, the greatest blueliner of any era, and later in his career his stellar achievements were second to Denis Potvin's dominating play with the powerhouse New York Islanders. Park was the runner-up six times for the Norris Trophy as the NHL's best defender and earned a berth on the league's All-Star Team seven times. He was an easy choice for induction into the Hockey Hall of Fame in 1988.


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The Toronto Maple Leafs Select

D Nicklas Lidstrom

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Nik is a superb skater with excellant vison on the ice, loves long passes. He has a howitzer from a the point. He is a gentlemanly player who si considered one of the most sportsman like players in todays nhl.Uses his intelligence to dominate the game. Is very efficient in the defensive zone. Thrives when logging a ton of ice time.He is a indepensible player who is excellant in all facets of the game.Lidstrom was a reliable defenseman and a brilliant rusher, and his powerful shots from the blue line often took goalies by surprise

In 1998 the Red Wings again won the Cup, and Lidstrom joined his countryman, former New York Islanders defenseman Tomas Jonsson, as the only Swedish-born defensemen to win two Stanley Cup championships.

Lidstrom's greatest achievements occurred while he was with the Wings. But he has had sucess representing his homeland sweden when they won the World Championships in Finland in 1991

When he first came to Detroit in the early 1990's the skillful and sophisticated Lidstrom found it easy to become an important part of the Wings' new European-influenced style.He would anchor the powerplay with Hall of Famer Paul Coffey.His other defensive partners would be Larry Murphy and Chris Chelios.- Legends of Hockey

"Usually, when defensemen get penalties, it’s because of their stick - they cross-check someone at the net, or get beat and give the guy a tug," said Detroit associate coach Dave Lewis, a former NHL defenseman. "Nick’s such a good positional player, he doesn’t have to rely on that."

A four-time NHL First All-Star Team selection, Lidstrom has also performed with remarkable resiliency, missing just 13 games in 10 seasons with the Wings.


"He makes your game a lot easier," longtime defense partner Larry Murphy said of Lidstrom. "He likes to play the control game and likes to make the play with the puck."

"Nick isn’t flashy, just effective. He always makes the right play. He makes himself available so he can receive the pass."

"He’s so steady, so reliable," former Detroit defenseman Todd Gill said. "He reminds me of Ray Bourque in his heyday - not flashy, but a true superstar in every sense of the word."

"Lidstrom’s the best player I’ve ever played with," Yzerman said -detroit legends

Total NHL 1091 187 614 801 +293 324
Playoff Totals NHL 168 34 82 116 +31 42

NHL All-Rookie Team (1992) NHL First All-Star Team (1998,99, 2000,01,02,03)
James Norris Memorial Trophy (01,02, 03) Conn Smythe Trophy(02)
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Reckoning, I think you need to draft King Clancy or Georges Vezina next!
I know; I`m not going after the ancients on purpose, it`s just both times I thought Shore and Morenz were the best available choices. With Morenz I was tempted to pass him over thinking he might still be there in the third round, but I looked at the past 4 drafts and saw he usually goes top 30, so I decided against it.

Anyways, I have a short list of players I hope to draft in the 3rd and some of them are actually still alive.

Interesting note: after 34 picks there is a player who was taken top 30 in all four previous drafts that is still out there.

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With all due respect, I think your top 6 rankings are wrong. I see you were born in 78 so you couldn't have seen any of these players in their prime. Admittingly , I only saw the Rocket at the end and Howe toward the end but I saw the rest of them in their prime. My rankings are Orr, Hull, Howe, Lemieux, Gretzy, Richard, beliveau. There really seems to be a Montreal Canadian preference in a lot of these ratings such as he Hockey News top 100. I would love to know the make up of that voting group so i could understand their prejudices.
I think if Hull won more, I think he'd be higher in a lot of all-time ratings. The reason Richard and Beliveau are so high isn't because they played for Montreal, it's because they won. Richard is considered by many to be the best clutch player ever. A player with just a Hart Trophy wouldn't be in the top five of so many lists if he wasn't so good in the clutch. Jean Beliveau won 10 Stanley Cups, a Conn Smythe, and scored a point-per-game in the playoffs at age 40.

Would Hull be No. 5 if he had the playoff track record of Beliveau or Richard? It's hard to say, but I think he'd appear in a lot more top 5 lists if he had more than one Cup. (And he was on some very strong Chicago teams). I think the absence of Cup rings also hurts Mikita's place among the game's greats.

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The New Jersey Devils are pleased to select one of the greatest defensemen to ever play the game, a 3 time winner of the Gold Stick as best European player,

Viacheslav Fetisov

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It is hard to comprehend that as great an NHL career as was enjoyed by Viacheslav Fetisov, the defenseman had a long, superlative career before he ever set foot on NHL ice.

Playing with Moscow CSKA, Fetisov was part of seven straight Soviet championships (1977 to 1983), was named to the First All-Star Team nine times and was the USSR's Player of the Year in 1981-82 and 1985-86.

Internationally, Viacheslav was equally dominant. He guided the Soviets to gold medals at the World Championship in 1978, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1986, 1989 and 1990 and was named the tournament's best defenseman in five of those seasons. Slava and the Soviets won the Olympic silver medal in 1980, later earning gold in both 1984 and 1988. "To be a hockey player, you try to win every possible tournament you play," he said. "Every possible game at every level -- junior until you name it. Every possible tournament I played I got championships, a gold medal, whatever."
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Born on 20th April 1958 in Moscow, Viacheslav (Slava) joined the Central Red Army in 1974-75 and played there for 15 years. During this time he won the national title 14 times, was awarded player of the year three times, nine times Soviet League All-Star, and was also awarded the Pravda Trophy four times as best scoring defenseman in his country. He was Captain for nine years.

A lot of people say that Fetisov, at the peak of his career, was better than Canadian legend Bobby Orr.
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In his prime Fetisov was the most complete defenseman in Soviet hockey history. Even after his prime, he shows the skills that earned him his outstanding reputation. An excellent skater, he moves around the ice very well and plays a nasty physical game, hammering opponents with clean as well as not-so-clean checks. He is strong and has the muscle to take as well as give punishment. He is more of a playmaker than a scorer, finding the open man with deft passes.
- 1993-94 Hockey Almanac

“He is the kind of guy you’d like to take the formula, put it in a bottle and let all the younger players drink that formula, because there is no one like him”. - Dave Lewis, assistant coach Detroit Red Wings

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