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10-30-2003, 02:44 PM
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Avs/NYI Proposal

This is my first proposal so I could be way off on this one.

Col: Hamrlik

NYI: J-M Liles, Tom Gilbert, 3rd round draft pick (from Washington that the Avs got in the Konowalchuk trade)

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This is my first proposal so I could be way off on this one.

Col: Hamrlik

NYI: J-M Liles, Tom Gilbert, 3rd round draft pick (from Washington that the Avs got in the Konowalchuk trade)
Yeah your off big time.

The values not there and the Isles have no reason to trade Hamrlik for prospects and picks this soon in the season.

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This is my first proposal so I could be way off on this one.
Yes. Hamrlik is an All-Star defenceman, it'll take a lot more than that to land him.

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Islanders don't need spare parts; it will take atleast an established roster player to pry Hammy away from Long Island.

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Originally Posted by silence
This is my first proposal so I could be way off on this one.

Col: Hamrlik

NYI: J-M Liles, Tom Gilbert, 3rd round draft pick (from Washington that the Avs got in the Konowalchuk trade)
The Isles are in a " hang toward the middle of the pack mode" . Its not exactly win now, but not time to rip the team apart as well.

This move is a long way off from fair value for Hammer and looking at our needs.

Seeing that your admitting to being new to the proposal world Let me give you a couple of pointers to aviod getting the flames from others.

- Look at it from both teams point of view. Waht does the other team lack and can you offer it? Its a good place to start.

- Look at the Dollars invloved. In todays NHL this drives trades as much if not more than player value or needs.

Hamrlik is a #1 Defenseman. He logs major minutes and is a good Power play QB. Also, in the past few years with the Isles he has really become a sloid guy in his own zone.

The Avs would have to offer much more than that package.

The Isles have not want or need to move Hamrlik right now so I would look else where for a top end Dman.

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silence welcome to the board

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This is my first proposal so I could be way off on this one.

Col: Hamrlik

NYI: J-M Liles, Tom Gilbert, 3rd round draft pick (from Washington that the Avs got in the Konowalchuk trade)
WAY WAY WAY OFF!
But you're new to this and I understand. So I'll cut you some slack...
There was talk over the summer that the Isles were looking to move Hamrlik for a proven scoring forward. There's not even a forward in this deal, and while the Isles could use a defense prospect or two (I don't think that they really have any in their system), they would not be willing to surrender Hamrlik for them.
I realize that Liles is a good young player who cracked the Avs lineup and has a future as a power play quarterback, but he should not be the centerpiece in a deal for Roman Hamrlik, who is a legitimate #1 defenseman and a good power play quarterback by my books.
And there's another problem with this deal. Can the Avs afford to gut their system even more? I'm not too sure on that one, but they've sacrificed a lot of young talent for big name superstars over the years and I think it's time to maybe horde it a bit more. Also, with Hamrlik, Foote, Morris, Skoula, Blake and Skrastins all in town, there probably wouldn't be enough ice time to go around to keep everyone happy. That's one sweet defense, though!
Good effort, but it just doesn't add up. I think the Avs are going to just go with their lineup that they have for the time being and the Isles would only move Hamrlik for a proven scoring winger. No deal.

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Here is a scary thought: Hamrlik would be no better than third or fourth dman on that team!

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Here is a scary thought: Hamrlik would be no better than third or fourth dman on that team!
My thoughts exactly. Even more scary of a thought: Morris probably wouldn't play on the top power play unit!

That would be INSANE!

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WAY WAY WAY OFF!
the Isles could use a defense prospect or two (I don't think that they really have any in their system.
Isles have a few defensive prospects they think have good potential, but no real blueline stud.

Bruno Gervais
Ryan Caldwell
Tomi Pettinen
Jan Holub

Alexei Stonkus' neck injury was really unfortunate for both him and the team.He was developing into a very promising prospect.

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This isn't as far off as everyone is claiming. Liles was one point off the lead league last year in college. He may have been drafted late, but like usual Colorado late-round prospects, he is a real stud. The only knock on him is he is only 5-11, but he knows how to score and is smart with the puck. He has played very good for the Avalanche so far this year.

Anyways thats my two cents. Just chipping in some knowledge on the key player coming to the Isles.

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Who are all those guys that the Isles would get?

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why go after hamrlik? the canucks could give sopel to you avs for that offer, but you guy'll need to add in a 2nd rounder.

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Everybody has already commented on how the Islanders won't move Roman Hamrlik, and certainly not for a package like that.

However, I'll offer a spin here...

The Avs won't be trading John-Michael Liles any time soon.

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[QUOTE=Enoch]This isn't as far off as everyone is claiming. Liles was one point off the lead league last year in college. He may have been drafted late, but like usual Colorado late-round prospects, he is a real stud. The only knock on him is he is only 5-11, but he knows how to score and is smart with the puck. He has played very good for the Avalanche so far this year.

Isles have a 22 yr old in net.I'd rather have Hamrlik.

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This isn't as far off as everyone is claiming. Liles was one point off the lead league last year in college. He may have been drafted late, but like usual Colorado late-round prospects, he is a real stud. The only knock on him is he is only 5-11, but he knows how to score and is smart with the puck. He has played very good for the Avalanche so far this year.

Anyways thats my two cents. Just chipping in some knowledge on the key player coming to the Isles.
Would you trade Timonen for that package?

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Everybody has already commented on how the Islanders won't move Roman Hamrlik, and certainly not for a package like that.

However, I'll offer a spin here...

The Avs won't be trading John-Michael Liles any time soon.

not having seen JM Liles i can't comment on his play,but the talk of this yr's nyi camp was 19 yr d-man old Bruno Gervais who the isles gave serious thought to keeping on LI despite having Hamrlik,Niinimaa,Jonsson,Aucoin,Martinek and Cairns.

It'll be interesting to look back in 3 yrs and see how our youngsters compare

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Everybody has already commented on how the Islanders won't move Roman Hamrlik, and certainly not for a package like that.

However, I'll offer a spin here...

The Avs won't be trading John-Michael Liles any time soon.
Why should they? Avs have lots of solid vet defenders. They should develop a youngster like Liles.

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Isles have a 22 yr old in net.I'd rather have Hamrlik.
Completely understand. Just giving some info for those that are uninformed.

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Would you trade Timonen for that package?
Absolutely not. I'm not saying that the deal should be made, rather I was trying to shine some light on the key piece that would be heading towards the Isles.

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why go after hamrlik? the canucks could give sopel to you avs for that offer, but you guy'll need to add in a 2nd rounder.

Uhh.... what do you mean by that? Sopel is better than Hamrlik?

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why go after hamrlik? the canucks could give sopel to you avs for that offer, but you guy'll need to add in a 2nd rounder.
And Sopel's in the same league as Hamrlik right? Sopel is not a very good defenseman by any means. He is prone to terrible defensive gaffes, not terribly physical and his very good shot is also very accurate. Is he worth Liles, Gilbert, 2nd and 3rd round picks? No. Maybe that's not what you meant, but the way you phrased your post made it sound like it was.


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